all the foujis who topple democratic process of the country, who contribute to do so or who are involved in any way what so ever to harm the democracy should be hanged upside down.. foujis should only be there to guard the country and people.. they should not be throned to run the country.

Dear Sa1eem why don't you get our point. We are neither supporting taliban nor are we against a taliban free Pakistan. But we are against the illegal drone attacks on our Pakistani territory by america in which thousands of innocent Pakistani civilians and military soldiers died. Salala check post drone attack is an example. What about the families of the thousands of innocent people who died in drone attacks. Now think of the case in which 7 or 9 members from the same family (single family) were killed in drones by america, now you tell me that what will the rest of members (alive members) of such families do? Definitely they will become terrorists, they will be easily manipulated by indian, israeli, russian, afghani and american secret agencies by enticing with money. Drone attacks are counter terrorism. This is a fact that if america kills 1 terrorist and 10 innocent Pakistani civilians in a drone attack then the population of Pakistan will soon dwindle to nothing by killing innocent Pakistani and if innocent people are being killed at such a fast rate there will be seen only terrorists everywhere in Pakistan. You can take the example of drone attack on hangu in which non of the terrorists died but only innocent Pakistani people. This is a settled area. Tomorrow america will make drones on peshawar, lahore, karachi etc on the plea that terrorists are getting shelter in these cities . Obviously the drones are counter terrorism. We people from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are in close contact with the people of FATA and we can better understand the miserable condition of the drone affected families. Secondly drones are clear cut violations of the sovereignty of Pakistan. Tomorrow india will make drone attacks on Pakistan on the plea that india is killing terrorists in Pakistan then what will be your reaction in such a situation?
Hoping that you and tipu shah are getting our point of view.

Dear Sa1eem why don't you get our point. We are neither supporting taliban nor are we against a taliban free Pakistan. But we are against the illegal drone attacks on our Pakistani territory by america in which thousands of innocent Pakistani civilians and military soldiers died. Salala check post drone attack is an example. What about the families of the thousands of innocent people who died in drone attacks. Now think of the case in which 7 or 9 members from the same family (single family) were killed in drones by america, now you tell me that what will the rest of members (alive members) of such families do? Definitely they will become terrorists, they will be easily manipulated by indian, israeli, russian, afghani and american secret agencies by enticing with money. Drone attacks are counter terrorism. This is a fact that if america kills 1 terrorist and 10 innocent Pakistani civilians in a drone attack then the population of Pakistan will soon dwindle to nothing by killing innocent Pakistani and if innocent people are being killed at such a fast rate there will be seen only terrorists everywhere in Pakistan. You can take the example of drone attack on hangu in which non of the terrorists died but only innocent Pakistani people. This is a settled area. Tomorrow america will make drones on peshawar, lahore, karachi etc on the plea that terrorists are getting shelter in these cities . Obviously the drones are counter terrorism. We people from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are in close contact with the people of FATA and we can better understand the miserable condition of the drone affected families. Secondly drones are clear cut violations of the sovereignty of Pakistan. Tomorrow india will make drone attacks on Pakistan on the plea that india is killing terrorists in Pakistan then what will be your reaction in such a situation?
Hoping that you and tipu shah are getting our point of view.

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musharaf is much better then all politicians. this is just a media trial. why media was not barking at the time of what they r saying wrong? musharraf play his role very elegantly while these all politicians are get together and destroy the nation.

The reason is that we are still in the process of learning politices. if we study the history of Indo pakistan, we would come to know that During the reign of Afghan, Turk, Mangols, Mughals, the art and literature really florished well but that did not let us to know about politics

I think Musharaf case should be dealt very strict so that in future no any army general could do the same action۔Musharaf should be exemplery punished so that no one could dare to deterirate the our beloved country pakistan in future

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Hello Daisy,

I think the fact that Musharraf is guilty or not should be left to the Supreme Court to decide. Unfortunately, he has been acquitted in many cases due to lack of evidence against him. But then again, it does not really come as much of a surprise that there is no material evidence to prove him guilty. He was the sole decision-maker of Pakistan for so many years, so it would not have been difficult for him to get rid of all the evidence; after all, the police, army, parliament and even the courts were under his thumb. Why, all the news channels actually showed the police hosing down the area right after the Rawalpindi attack on Benazir Bhutto. That was tantamount to willfully destroying evidence. Yes, we would all like the former dictator to be punished, if not for any other crime, then for abrogating the Constitution of Pakistan. But what should not be lost sight of is the extraordinary fact that he is on trial in the courts of Pakistan. This is unprecedented. Never before have we seen a dictator bow down in front of the courts. It is even more congratulatory that the judges today are independent.

Interesting thread, by the way.
Have a nice day.

Dear Daisy!
you say both Taliban and Musharaf are responsible for the loss of Pakistani Nation and your heart is aching with the national pain.. if so.. You are supposed to condemn both alike....how comes your statements are biased towards one party alone.

let me ask.... Had musharaf rejected the calls of international community did that not mean to support Taliban ?
p.s pakistan was and still is member to UNO as a signatory it has certain obligations to fulfill .

and if taliban fully supported by pak govt means no more drones no more military operations... are you sure they (Taliban) would stop terrorist activities of killing innocent Pakistanis ?

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To All:- Musharraf is too big to be caged; Saudi delegation is expected to land on Monday to mediate & mitigate. I foresee this issue would be resolved politically not legally.

Regards,

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Its seem that everyone is blaming Musharraf by ignoring some vital factors also. Musharraf is culpable and its no doubt that he deserve this. But what about other politicians and civil and military officers who not only endorsed his policies but also made blunders themselves. Its really a moment of proud that courts are now much independent bul judiciary alone is not suffice to punish these crimimals. Our media works on motto of yellow journalism and peoples are not enlightening their outlooks and thinkings. These are the ordinary people who provided an easy way for musharraf and other dictators to come and rule tyrannically by not choosing proper politiians and by not resisting and opposing these dictators. The question is that is our political system safe for future from such dictatorial intrusions?

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To Muhammad Asim Abbasi,

"These are the ordinary people who provided an easy way for musharraf and other dictators to come and rule tyrannically by not choosing proper politiians and by not resisting and opposing these dictators."

Sir, you think that if Musharaff is culpable then so are the ordinary people, meaning you and me. What would you have had us do? What exactly do you mean by "choosing politicians"? The ordinary people cannot put up their own candidate to contest the elections; all they can do is vote for the politicians that are already standing up for the elections. Who do you think at that time was a good politician, whom the people should have chosen? Who should we have voted for? It was either the Nawaz League or the PPP, and both are considered corrupt. Was there a third choice? Do you suppose that when people had voted for Nawaz in the 1997 parliamentary elections, they should have foreseen that Nawaz would bungle the job and Musharaff would successfully carry out a coup d'etat? That is impossible.

As far as the question of resisting the dictators is concerned, many elements of our society openly resisted and opposed Musharaff: the lawyers' community, the civil society, the media, and the political parties (barring the ones who supported Musharaff). There were protests, demonstrations, dharnas, the works. Why else do you suppose Musharraf stepped down?

Today, the scenario is quite different from yesteryears. Now, the ordinary people are quite enlightened. They, unanimously, abhor Musharaff and all he stood for. Our mindset and thinking has changed, Sir. Even though people severely criticized the PPP government (2008-2013) and are starting to voice their dissatisfaction with Nawaz's government, you still don't hear them calling out for the army to take over. This in itself is a milestone. This is proof that change has come to Pakistan, albeit at a piecemeal rate.

Sunehra dear,
You are right to some extant but excluding the common people from this blame is not judicious and real. We live in 21st century where ordinary man not only change government but entire system. It is true that ordinary man has very limited choice in political processess as he is forced to comply with the demands of prevailing circumstances. But at the same time through his silence he is giving a tacit approval to these wicked politicians and dictators.
"Donot underestimate the power of common man".
These were common people who were behind Golorious revolutios in France, Britain and other countries. The recent example of Arab Spring testifies that common people hold the real power where they not only toppled the decades old dictatorships but also laid the foundation of new political system.
And in Pakistan no such general and universal movement evolved. You mentioned about lawyers movement which succeeded but that movement was specific to restore judiciary.
So common man is responsible too.

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