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Secondly there are principles and laws regarding economic activities, there are rules, and models are formed upon those rules. And it is the beauty of Islam that it provides principles not concrete models so that those rules could be followed easily in every socio-economic order, one may name it socialist or capitalist, though they dont remain socialist or capitalist if those rules are implemented, anyway. That is the reason the door of "IJTEHAD" is open for Muslim Ummah. The following terms and rules regarding them are evident of the fact that Islamic principles of economy are present in Book and Sunnah. 1- Murabaha (when you are trading) 2- Musharaka (if you are doing business on partnership) 3- Mudaraba (If you are an investor) 4- Ijarah (If you do business of lending products) Than certain business ethics were given by Islam, i.e: to not sell those goods which are prohibited in Islam (Wine, Pork etc), to not sell without the permission of owner, to not sell without having an ownership, to not stock necessities with the intention of creating higher demand to earn higher profits, to not sell something different than what has been shown to the customer, to not sell the product without telling the flaws to the customer, to not manipulate with weights and measurements, to not make conditional sales, to not swear while dealing with someone to make him agree to buy etc. Besides, these instructions there are many other business ethics defined by Islam. Thirdly, the main issue, "Riba" or Interest, The aayats of Surah Baqra are enough to understand its "Hurmat". Aayat 275 (Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba) Aayat 276 (Allah will destroy Riba and will give increase to Sadaqa), Aayat 279 (And if you do not do it (stay away from Riba), than take a notice of war from Allah and His Messenger). Now what is the definition of Riba, Brother ROADBLOCK had made it very clear. For further understanding, exegesis of above mentioned verses of Quran from any Tafseer would suffice IA. Quote:
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I would second your point of view, systems are run by people. It is as true as it is said that democracy itself cant bring a change, the people who are at the helm of government affairs matters. And more importantly, rules are principles had been given to us, it is our will and determination in their implementation. The Islamic banking system could be only designed if all other apparatuses of government and society work according to Islam. And an interesting fact is, Banking can never be 100 % Islamic because in Islam the duty of lending is of a state not of a private business entity and it is very obvious that a private business entity is always intended in making more profits instead of running a charitable bank. That is why it is always recommended to have a welfare state. So how Islamic banking is flourishing so rapidly if it is not Islamic? The major reason is, Islamic Banks do not lend money, they finance projects, houses, businesses etc. Hence, there is always a tangible asset behind every transaction of Islamic banking. Brother ROADBLOCK had also made this concept clear by giving an example of banking collapse of 2008.. Regards
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It was my mistake, actually neolithic and bronze age etc are terms used to specify technological advancements. I actually try to understand the whole agricultural period before industrial revolution as neolithic and period before that as paleolithic, it makes it easier to understand and build concepts . Rise of Islam took place during a period which was perhaps bronze age or something. Nevertheless the point remains that today's technology is much more advanced than that period, and any technological advancement has a significant impact on human societies and cultures so there is a great difference between bronze age and modern age societies. We cannot expect the same behavior from people as back then and neither same organization can survive today. Unless we choose not to accept modern day technological advancements ofcourse, but I think that's not an option because then we will be wiped out and no angels are coming to help .
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The concept of welfare state, which was practiced by early Caliphs, is now practiced by these Scandinavian states. And the fact is the institutes which Islam and its early practitioners gave us are more bound to socio-economic justice and welfare. Bait ul Maal was established to look after the needy, poor and old subjects. And Kharaj, Ushar and Zakat were collected and gathered in regional and central Bait ul Maal (unfortunately, the later Muslim leaders used those resources for their own pomp and show), but the thing is, Is it possible to have such Islamic Institutes which replace our Commercial Banking and Finance system. The answer is yes there is a possibility. But up to what extent, it depends upon those who are responsible to establish such institutes. There are principles, laws and ethics of doing business and trade according to Islam. But the problem is with Muslims, not with Islam.... And it is very old one, and chemists are still looking for its cure..... Unfortunately and ironically, the patients themselves are not ready to get cured....
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yup that's true, these are the requirements for any human organization to work. I have already mentioned that I suppose. But my point is there is no predefined system in Islamic scriptures and digging for one would be a futile debate. For example back then slave trade was common but today car trade is, so back then you trusted a slave's physical strength whereas today you will trust an engine . So the element of faith from Islam can be used to generate trust and good will between people. But the economic systems keep changing as the modes of trade and transaction and production etc keep changing. The most visible aspect of modern capitalist economies that goes totally against the Islamic teachings is that of usury or interest (let's not try to redefine interest to differentiate it from usury and allow it haha). But interest is the backbone of capitalism and without it a free market economy is not possible. The alternate to that is a socialist economy, but that would require a strong and ambitious ideologically motivated government which is honest in pursuing it's cause. Unfortunately it's not there and can not come any soon, we will be deceived by many dishonest politicians who will claim to be devout, or wariors like abu bakar al Baghdadi will cut our necks into submission, all making promises to end poverty and suffering and break them for their convenience . So my advice for the religious people would be to tolerate interest and learn to live with it, unless Allah makes arrangements as promised in His book .
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And what are those arrangements exactly? Have you ever read the instructions against interest? Allha says in surah Bakara, Verse no 278 and 279, (http://quran.com/2/278-279) 278: O you who have believed, fear Allah and give up what remains [due to you] of interest, if you should be believers. 279: And if you do not, then be informed of a war [against you] from Allah and His Messenger. Allah has pointed out that those who deal in interest are at war with Him and the prophet. And you are saying that we keep with the system and 'hope for arrangements' from Allah's side. Numerous 'major sins' are mentioned in the Quran but none of them is deemed equal to such a treatment from Allah (War from Allah's side). Interest is the bitter reality in today's Islamic world. However, we should do our best to keep away from it and take practical steps to gradually transform the economy. The passive strategy proposed by you will not be useful enough. P.s the trade and business dynamics are changed in the competitive and globalised world but have you ever read the 'basic guidelines' in Islam about difference facets of business functioning. About sale, debt issuance, partnership, profit and loss sharing etc etc. I would recommend you go through them before explicitly stating that the basics are not ‘applicable’ today. And if you have read them, then prove that how they are not suitable. For instance, how are the 'requirements for valid sale' not applicable in today's world. We can develop a very sound, reliable and durable business environment by just following the most general and basic rules proposed by Islam.
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on a personal level yes, I also consider it not good. And I never said usury is allowed in Islam so please don't bring Quran Pak in between. But we are not in a position to do anything about it. I honestly don't like the Muslims of today, they cannot be trusted, being Muslim myself I don't know where this flock is taking me to. One of my acquaintances runs a small shop which was going down in business and he was reluctant in seeking loan from bank considering interest as haram. And guess what no one could help him and all saw the pain of misery he went through. I don't suggest usury as a passive strategy but as a punishment for Muslims as they have become worse these days.
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