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“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
George Bernard Shaw. Moderates are a minor faction of this country, and the policy making form the birth of the state revloved around pleasing the majority, instead of educating them. In my view problem lies in the identity of state itself, why state has to be a declared Muslim state, its an obstacle itself, whats the problem with adopting a secular identity. Now if you are going to say that , state been established that Muslim notion , then we should keep in mind that in 1971 fall of Dhaka proved that, we failed to establish a state on that ideology. State is not impartial , and its intervention has encouraged and patronized that radical behavior. And why we are screaming now, it was inevitable. It is definite that a chain of incidents will start soon and catch every one into it. |
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People like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Tarek Fatah,Mobarak Haider can also be counted among few of the rationalist scholars of our country. These people are among those who were forced to leave the country and their survival was under threat. If their version(the way they have interpreted) of Islam is to be implemented, then i hope that sooner or later we would be able to revive and reclaim Islam.
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Well...I meant to say, it's not as simple as it looks.And it's not the first time in the history.People had done a lot of efforts.Presently, I don't see anyone truly devoted.
Whole account was on how these things developed,re-developed and diminished again. And the "Moderate" Muslims (of their times) themselves were seen as Persecutors. Additionally I will quote General Hameed " War with Russia was the only war we won, with the help of our ISI and I am the only General to win the war in Pakistan". (4 days before the Peshawar massacre) And "I trained them and provided them weapons" Our Army is full of such people even now. Had we won the War? I don't think so.Russia failed, USA failed and now our Army is failing.
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The problem runs a lot deeper to the very sources of Islam i.e. Quran, Sunnah and Hadith and to the basic way of how we extract and deduce 'Islam' out of these sources. The moderates or say 'dunyadar' Muslims won't be able root out the problem. But their pressure will help if some conditions are met...
Mutation, in the new generation of a species, leads to the birth of organisms who differ in their features from each other. Only those organisms survive whose features are compatible with the environment, and the rest of them die. Darwin called this process Natural Selection. The way natural selection of species happens in the biological world, Natural Selection of ideas happens in the social world. Only those ideas survive that are fit and relevant to the contemporary world. The Islamism and pan-Islamism got popularized in Muslims in a response to the shortcomings of capitalism/colonialism and socialism in the 20th century. Now that the side effects of the capitalism are being handled exceedingly well, the soil is fertile for the seeds of an 'individualistic' Islam. The problem lies with those madrassahs and schools that are teaching only one fiqh or interpretation of religion/history and therefore, not giving any options to child to select from. We need to, if nothing else, shut down such institutions and replace them with institutions where relatively neutral teachers teach a neutral syllabus.
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I think it would be more appropriate to call for unity of 'anti taliban Muslims' instead of 'moderate Muslims' because it seems 'moderate Muslim' is just a loose term which is used to define less aggressive religious people, but it doesn't prove that there is any 'moderate banner' or moderate Islamic ideology which they follow. Moderate Muslims have a cocktail of various thoughts which they absorb or learn through personal experience while living abroad and dealing with different people or modern education etc. For example if people who hold anti taliban stance are considered moderates then that would make a huge number but then the same number will start declining when dealing with other things like relaxing hijab or mixed gathering etc, you will start noticing the very same people who were anti taliban seem to be subscribed to some of the same beliefs as taliban. Thus there is no chance of any unity arising between moderate Muslims and the only people who take benefit of that is extremists .
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To be a truly "Moderate Muslim" Firstly you need to pass through all the experiences which a Muslim passes through,all the trials and tribulations. It involves both the true and deep knowledge and practise of Islam. Keeping both your religion and worldly affairs side by side reveals on you, how religion truly works, and how it changes lives of people. Every body has it's own circle of influence and circle of experience. A practising Muslim has it's own. The biggest dilemma is "Perfection" concept here. That what I have learnt is perfect. e.g If we say modern man and moderate Muslim Hassan Nisar said "There is no place of Poetry in Islam". There is complete account on poetry in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim and even a Hadith telling Holy Prophet PBUH himself done poetry and even encouraged the good poets. What authenticity is left in such person. On the other hand same person is saying only Quran and Hadith is enough. Such a disparity. I am not against Nisar, but the sense of perfection and pride which we start to feel about our thoughts, is not something which is taking us towards moderation. Now how I am supposed to follow you when you know nothing or very little about my religion? We have supposed that a person having small or no beard, wearing Western dress is just a moderate Muslim. We always quote Jinnah that he was a Moderate Muslim. Remember what he said to his daughter when she asked to marry a Parsi "This is against our traditions and religion". There is a huge difference between a person saying I am a Muslim and a person truly learning and practising religion. Every body knows what is this going on. Just pick up one book of Hadith i.e Bukhari and you will see each and every sign of these people. I will quote a thing here and see an analogy in modern world. Some people are so much ahead in their ignorance that they want to learn nothing from history. فأتت الخوارج قريته فأخذوه وأخذوا ابنته فقدموا ابنته فقتلوها وزعم لي أبو الربيع السلولي أن اسم ابنته أم يزيد وأنها كانت تقول لهم يا أهل الإسلام إن أبي مصاب فلا تقتلوه وأما أنا فإنما أنا جارية والله ما أتيت فاحشة قط ولا آذيت جارة لي ولا تطلعت ولا تشرفت قط فقدموها ليقتلوها فأخذت تنادي ما ذنبي ما ذنبي ثم سقطت مغشيا عليها أو ميتة ثم قطعوها بأسيافهم The Khawarij came to a village and they seized a man and his daughter. She said to them, “O people of Islam! Indeed, my father is an old man so do not kill him, and I am only a girl. By Allah, I have never been immoral and I have never harmed anyone.” They brought her to kill her and she kept saying, “What is my sin? What is my sin?” Then she fainted and they killed her with their swords. Source: Tareekh At-Tabari 1512 إِذْ لَوْ قَوُوا هَؤُلَاءِ لَأَفْسَدُوا الْأَرْضَ كُلَّهَا عِرَاقًا وَشَامًا وَلَمْ يَتْرُكُوا طِفْلًا وَلَا طِفْلَةَ وَلَا رَجُلًا وَلَا امْرَأَةً لِأَنَّ النَّاسَ عِنْدَهُمْ قَدْ فَسَدُوا فَسَادًا لَا يُصْلِحُهُمْ إِلَّا الْقَتْلُ جُمْلَةً If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire earth, Iraq, and Syria. They would not leave a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed except by mass killing. Source: Al-Bidayah wa Nihayah 10/584 Open your eyes people. This was written 1000 years back.
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