Dua of a fasting person at the time of Iftaar

[usman khalid]

Once Moosa (AS) asked Allah Subhaana'O'Ta'ala:

O Allah! You have granted me the honor and privilege of talking to you
directly, Have you given this privilege to any other person?

Allah Ta'ala replied, O!! Moosa during the last period I am going to
send an Ummat, who will be the Ummat of Mohammed (SAW) with dry lips,
parched tongues, emaciated body with eyes sunken deep into their
sockets, with livers dry and stomachs suffering the pangs of hunger

will call out to me (in dua) they will be much much closer to me than
you O Moosa! while you speak to me there are 70000 veils between you
and me but at the time of iftaar there will not be a single veil
between me and the fasting Ummati of Mohammed (SAW)

O!! Moosa I have taken upon myself the responsibility that at the time of iftaar I will never refuse the dua of a fasting person!

[MaShWaNeE]

Firstly

You have not quoted any citation for the Hadeeth you have posted.

Secondly.

This hadeeth is not part of the Prophet’s Sunnah, and it is not something that is known to the scholars and muhaddithoon

(Scholars of Ahaddeth) in their books and Musnads. It is not narrated except in a few books whose authors filled them with

fabricated reports, false reports, stories and myths, such as Nuzhat al-Majaalis wa Muntakhab al-Nafaa’is, by the

historian and man of letters ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Salaam al-Safoori (d. 894 AH) – pp. 182-183, Chapter on the

virtue of Ramadaan and encouragement to do good deeds therein. It also appears in the tafseer Rooh al-Bayaan (8/112) by

Ismaa’eel Haqqi al-Hanafi al-Khalooti (d. 1127 AH). They mentioned a hadeeth similar to that referred to by Usman

Khalid, in which it says: “Moosa (peace be upon him) said: ‘O Lord, You have honoured me by speaking to me directly. Will

You give anyone else something like this?’ And Allaah revealed: ‘O Moosa, I have slaves whom I will bring forth at the end

of time, and I will honour them with the month of Ramadaan, and I will closer to one of them than to you, because you have

spoken to Me when there are seventy thousand veils between Me and you, but when the ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings

of Allaah be upon him) fasts until their lips turn white and their faces turn yellow, I will lift the veil between Me and

them at the time they break their fast. O Moosa, glad tidings to the one whose liver thirsts and whose stomach hungers in

Ramadaan.”
Moreover, in the matn (text) of this hadeeth there is something which indicates that it is munkar (i.e., unsound), which

is the words “I will be closer to one of them than you” – referring to Moosa (peace be upon him). It is well known in

Muslim belief that the Messengers and Prophets are better than all other humans, and Moosa is one of the Messengers of

strong will, so how can Allaah be closer to His slaves than to His Prophet Moosa (peace be upon him), of whom He said

(interpretation of the meaning): “And We called him from the right side of the Mount, and made him draw near to Us for a

talk with him” [Maryam 19:52]? And Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: He drew so close that he heard the

scratching of the Pen – i.e., writing the Tawraat (Torah). See: Tafseer al-Qur’aan il-‘Azeem by al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer

(5/237).
To sum up: The hadeeth mentioned is not in any of the reliable books, so it is not permissible to attribute it the

Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or to believe what it says.
And Allaah knows best.

Thirdly.

The Islamic point of view of making dua at Iftaar goes like this.

“Du’aa’ should be made before iftaar (breaking the fast), at Maghrib, because this combines weakness and humility, and

because he is still fasting. All of these are means of having one’s du’aa’ answered. After breaking the fast, one is

relaxed and happy, and may become negligent. But there is a hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be

upon him) which, shows that the du’aa’ may be made after breaking the fast. It said: ‘Thirst has gone, the veins are

moist, and the reward is assured, if Allaah wills.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh

Sunan Abi Dawood, 2066). This can only mean after breaking the fast. Similarly it was narrated that some of the Sahaabah

said: “ O Allaah, for You I have fasted and with Your provision I have broken my fast and i another version it says “ O

Allaah, for You I have fasted and with Your provision I am breaking my fast.”

So you may pray to Allaah and say whatever du’aa’ you think is suitable.

[usman khalid]

Dear, you are right there is no authentic source available. The answer you quoted from www.islamqa.com (Fatwa No. 124410) seems to be logical. However, we can only have reservations about its being authentic or not. We can neither accept something from uncofirmed source nor can we deny it. It may or may not be true.

[MaShWaNeE]

we can only have reservations about its being authentic or not. We can neither accept something from uncofirmed source nor can we deny it. It may or may not be true.

I have studied religion for 6 years at a university and left it then. Let me tell you a very simple rule which i have learnt brother.
Anything narration which does not find its source to The Quran or The Prophet (saw) is unauthentic and unacceptable. So do not keep reservations about that and simply accept it.
You cannot say that this may be the hadeeth of the Prophet or may not. If this is not the hadeeth of the Prophet then you are attributing something to him which he did not say or acted.
So instead of keeping useless reservations you should rather post authentic information and do your research work on that.

[usman khalid]

Originally Posted by MaShWaNeE

I have studied religion for 6 years at a university and left it then. Let me tell you a very simple rule which i have learnt brother.
Anything narration which does not find its source to The Quran or The Prophet (saw) is unauthentic and unacceptable. So do not keep reservations about that and simply accept it.
You cannot say that this may be the hadeeth of the Prophet or may not. If this is not the hadeeth of the Prophet then you are attributing something to him which he did not say or acted.
So instead of keeping useless reservations you should rather post authentic information and do your research work on that.

Brother, here I would disagree with you to some extent. Quran and Sunnah are the only first two sources of Shariah... some thing cannot be rejected simply on the basis that it is not explicitly mentioned in Quran or Hadith... There are many things we believe today on the basis of Ijma, Ijtihad, Qiyas etc... We take help of general guidlines set by Islam and if something falls in the purview of these guidlines we should accept it otherwise reject it. Therefore, reservations may exist there as there may be difference of opinions among ulmas/scholars on a particular issue. You know there is a concept of 'zaeef hadith'... but even then we call it hadith and we cannot simply reject it with 100% surity.
When I quoted this saying, I did not mention anywhere that it is a hadith... because there are some events/sayings which reached us through sources other than hadith... i.e. some old religious scriptures etc... which may be true or may have been fabricated with the passage of time... so we can never be sure of their authenticity. On the matter of attributing something to Holy Prophet (PBUH), I am fully in agreement with you that it should only be done when authenticity of the source is confirmed with absolute assurance and for that proper research work should be done.

[MaShWaNeE]

because there are some events/sayings which reached us through sources other than hadith... i.e. some old religious scriptures etc... which may be true or may have been fabricated with the passage of time... so we can never be sure of their authenticity.

Ofcourse you can be sure about it.

You know there is a concept of 'zaeef hadith'... but even then we call it hadith and we cannot simply reject it with 100% surity.

Oh My Lovely God.

Discussion absolutely closed brother.