Cheap Marketing Tricks by Mobile Phone Cos
 

I dont know how irretated are other members but i am fed up of the advertisement pollution spread by the mobile phone companies these days. Every now and then the msg tone rings and one finds a new offer or ad of a service you never need.
And look at their ads on TV. How they bring young girls in mini dresses and ask us "hum apni nazaron say larkiuon ka akhtram karna kub seekhian gain" Waha, waha. Somebody should tell them that nobody will respect the girls if they will do such act in your ads on tv. I wonder where are the regulatory authorities that can bring some sense in their marketing tricks ? Where is PTA ? For how long they will continue to offer "ghanta Offer" and "night Package" to young boys and girls ?

lets protest against this unethical and anti-social advertisement of these revenue-hungry mobile phone companies who are disturbing our social values and norms for their vested interest. :wub:

[QUOTE=Sociologist PU;277852]I dont know how irretated are other members but i am fed up of the advertisement pollution spread by the mobile phone companies these days. Every now and then the msg tone rings and one finds a new offer or ad of a service you never need.
And look at their ads on TV. How they bring young girls in mini dresses and ask us "hum apni nazaron say larkiuon ka akhtram karna kub seekhian gain" Waha, waha. Somebody should tell them that nobody will respect the girls if they will do such act in your ads on tv. I wonder where are the regulatory authorities that can bring some sense in their marketing tricks ? Where is PTA ? For how long they will continue to offer "ghanta Offer" and "night Package" to young boys and girls ?

lets protest against this unethical and anti-social advertisement of these revenue-hungry mobile phone companies who are disturbing our social values and norms for their vested interest. :wub:[/QUOTE]

a very nice topic indeed...

i agree with you upon the statement that marketing techniques used these days are really cheap...some example
1)look how they degrade rival companies(look at ads of jazz and ufone,also Ariel and Bright washing powder)in their ads.it is against the ethics of journalism.

2)i am very much against these"night packages":busy...it is completely nonsense..how can they defend this offer?even if someone is away from his/her family..and they have to go to university or to job the next morning..how can they wait till 12am to talk to their family and it is also likely that half of the members of the family must be sleeping by that time:snor these companies are misleading our youth..it is a sheer waste of time,money and most importantly morals.
if they really want to give compensation to ordinary ppl,the should give it in the form of lower rates without any package activation and offer subscription,at day time.

3)one more thing which i have personally noticed is the shocking literally invisible font of "original charges"and terms and conditions....they never tell what is the original cost of subscription of an offer.you can only see that line with microscope.....this shows the general trend of hypocrisy in our national character and over all matters coz media is a mirror of society.

4)about ads on mobiles:it is a good sign that Pakistan is progressing in terms of IT.we are now becoming aware of e-commerce but the major problem is that the ethics are not taken into consideration in this rat-race.

5)girls are now being shown as "show pieces".we cannot deny the fact that"wajood-e-zan se hai tasweer-e-kainat main rang"...it is not a good thing either to just cut them totally off from the whole business...but their should be a moral code that what should be shown and what's not.
it is really condemnable thing that now 70 to 80% of ad feature a young couple...what kindda msg it give to our youth?
i don't agree with your statement....if a girl is in whatever dress,it is not right to tease her.. if a person has no ethics it does not mean that you loose yours....and i am very satisfied with that commercial that at least they are raising voice for females who really suffer this kindda treatment...trust me,if you are in veil,i am telling you ppl do tease you....now that old "candy bar"example is also somewhat irrelevant...men also have some social duties and responsibilities....app larki hoon to app ko pata chaly.

P.S---personally,i think these forward msg's are also being made by these companies..to boost let ppl achieve the target of 50000 sms per month otherwise most of us never do 5 to 20 actual msgs per day...hardly 2% ppl among us would have time to search and write and draw pictures and forward them.

the solution for all this is:Only "education"--Both of media and ppl.

regards

There is some method to stop those advertisements on mobile phone or block those ad messages.although i dont know the exact method..bro's use them.i don't.

n I don't see any harm in those advertisement.Com'on don't be so conservative.come out of the shell.You can't get corrupted simply by seeing this stuff or indulging in that stuff..

They are just to grab the attention of youngsters n nothing else.

[QUOTE=Gulrukh;277864]There is some method to stop those advertisements on mobile phone or block those ad messages.although i dont know the exact method..bro's use them.i don't.

n I don't see any harm in those advertisement.Com'on don't be so conservative.come out of the shell.You can't get corrupted simply by seeing this stuff or indulging in that stuff..

They are just to grab the attention of youngsters n nothing else.[/QUOTE]


I just can't believe you just said that. It is irritating, If we don't want to get those messages they should NOT be sent to us. They should introduce a service that facilitates customers with ignoring these messages.

Also, young girls are coming on tv as our friend said and are posing their beauty and trying to sell products, how shameful is this. Are we really living in an Islamic society? We should surely protest, I am with you!

Very nice topic and it was question in Journalism paper as well.

I'm against these advertisements .Exposing girls and tempting dialogues are just to astray youngsters.I discussed it in detail in my paper with examples.
Behold dance show of Ali Zafar "Telenor Talk shawk" [B]"ab sab ki ye he dhunn [/B][B]hai"[/B] aur sath chand be'hangam steps.aik aur add[B] "Its fun to be young"[/B]..banda poochay ye e fun reh gaya hai kernay ko?aur jo Oldies goldies mein is se frustration paida ho ri hai,us ka kia?:dd

Fakhar e Pakistan Naseem Hameed ko kis kaam pe lagaya Mobilink ne,[B]"Aur sunao".:D[/B]
Ufone saaf awaz....[B]"tum he tou ho".[/B].
Zong......[B]."sab keh do".[/B].They are source of encouragement for those who have no courage to express.lol
These adds are such tempting k ik dafa tou banda sharmindagi ki ataah gehrayion mein doob jata hai k haye Why I am not able to utilize these packages?Sigh :D

Gulrukh how can you say that these adds are harmless?Media is the mightiest power.If it can make your judiciary independent,it can also ruin young minds and it is doing.

My point of view is this; if mobile companies want to advertise,their focus should not only be youngsters as people of other ages also have listening and speaking power:D

[QUOTE=mukt;277876]I just can't believe you just said that. It is irritating, If we don't want to get those messages they should NOT be sent to us. They should introduce a service that facilitates customers with ignoring these messages.

Also, young girls are coming on tv as our friend said and are posing their beauty and trying to sell products, how shameful is this. Are we really living in an Islamic society? We should surely protest, I am with you![/QUOTE]

It's shameful but its inevitable.You can't ignore the facts.no doubt we are an islamic society but tell me in which add something bad has been shown.if you want to protest then protest co education..what's wrong if girl n boy talk.its the problem of their's n their parents..not ours..live your own life.
n don't be an old man at the age of 22 or 26 whatever..

Gulrukh, what happened ?

You seems much changed.( your ideas i mean) I remember your previous posts where you very proudly advocated DEATH for the LOVERS and today you are saying "what is wrong if a boy and a girl talk" ok, it is not a problem but it is certainly a problem if they talk all night using night package.:sad:
Anyway, it seems the mobile culture is changing the ideas of our young generation rapidly. :clap

[B]Aur bhai Ghum hain in adds k ilawa.

I recall a beautiful sentence said by someone" Jis ne kabi gunnha nh kya hu wo pather marray"

So,only those should comment against add culture who despise to listen indian songs,watching movies and hollywood stuff.

Mobile companies just mean business, it would be insanity to expect promotion of islam or pak culture from these giant companies. Be realistic.[/B]

@ Invincible

Dost........ business k be kuch ETHICS hotay hain. If they want to increase their revenue, they should not do it on the cost of spoiling the minds of our young generation. They should remain within the parameters of Pakistani CULTURE. If they will not care for the people then what is the difference between them and those milk-sellers who mix water in the milk ?

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]rightly said (raised issue)...actually presently we just care about what to do in our leisure time...in past people read and write to spend their time...but these packages today let us spending our time in wasting our precious time and money in form of calls and sms....thats why some of the people here took it ill that you mentioned this issue..which is not really an issue in their view..
but on the whole if we analyze this sms and call culture let us wasting our time and apparently causing damage to the roots of the Islamic society...now the question arises that how this damages us....

through sms package: mostly boys and girls..keep on sending their friends, relatives and colleges unnecessary sms..which are of no use...you find students during lectures sending sms and wasting their time which must be devoted to studies....while being at home..they kept on messaging here we are neglecting our families and studies aswell...on the whole we have wasted our lot of time which we can devote to studies or any other gaining knowledge activity....

through calls: through this we can waste our time by calling to friends or so called "some one specials"...calling them whole night resulted in restlessness..which ultimately disturbed the whole next day and person feel dozy and lazy..the whole next day will become unproductive...thats why we people are unable to do hardwork...


by doing all this we are causing damage to islamic culture...

[B]Gulrukh[/B] in her post said that the person is conservative if one is mentioned or accepted something that is wrong....madam get life..this is disastrous if you have closed your eyes from the wrong doings of the society.....

[B]Invincible..[/B]
my dear friend...w.r.t line you mentioned....is it bad if one is high lighting the issue which is slowly and steadily causing damage to our society and mind of the youngsters(the example of which is being shown by Gulrukh)...?

[B]Shootingstar[/B]
i strongly disagree with your point that if if [I]"a person has no ethics it does not mean that you loose yours"[/I]...see in Islam the girls are strictly not allowed to step out from their houses until or unless it is necessary and if it is necessary than they should be veiled in prescribed manner...now you mentioned that if girl is veiled properly after than she has to face lot of comments....ok i agree with this that girls are being teased if they are veiled but the ratio in this case very low than the teasing of unveiled girls....
on the other hand if something is being directed by Islam than how can one find space in this case..girls are directed to get veiled than they should veil themselves...first obey what Islam said than raise your voice against the problem if faced...

you see in Islam commenting on others and unveiling is prohibited..but if you unveiled than you cant raise your voice against teasing...and now you read the line you mentioned "if a person has no ethics(of not commenting others) it does not mean that you loose yours(getting veiled)"
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These companies just mean business but there are some principles for advertising.There are so many related topics on which public can give their opinions.These sorts of topics are good to discuss and let people be awared.
I appreciate who started this post

[QUOTE=Sociologist PU;277906]@ Invincible

Dost........ business k be kuch ETHICS hotay hain. If they want to increase their revenue, they should not do it on the cost of spoiling the minds of our young generation. They should remain within the parameters of Pakistani CULTURE.
If they will not care for the people then what is the difference between them and those milk-sellers who mix water in the milk ?[/QUOTE]

[B]”There is no room for sentiments in business ” Plz pay heed to other pivotal issues.

Regards.[/B]

AoA, fellows, please concentrate on important issues instead of useless comments on marketing techniques of mobile companies. !

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Invincible;277889][B]Aur bhai Ghum hain in adds k ilawa. [/QUOTE]
aur bhi gham hain corruption k siwa
aur bhi gham hain dehshat gardi k siwa
aur bhi gham hain samaji burayion k siwa.
her burai burai e hoti hai,chahay choti ho ya bari.

[QUOTE]I recall a beautiful sentence said by someone" Jis ne kabi gunnha nh kya hu wo pather marray"
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so khud ko banda sabit kernay k lye chotay motay gunah kertay rehna chahye.hmmm

[QUOTE]So,only those should comment against add culture who despise to listen indian songs,watching movies and hollywood stuff. [/QUOTE]
If some one tells a lie,he has also right to murder?matlab ik banda ik ghalat kaam karay tou us ko burai ko burai smjhna e nae chahye?
And What about Pakistani songs?Ap kehtay [B]music[/B] na sun'nay walay log comment karen tou baat jachti bhi.

[QUOTE]Mobile companies just mean business, it would be insanity to expect promotion of islam or pak culture from these giant companies. Be realistic.[/QUOTE]
Obviously one can't expect preaching of Islam by them but atleast one can expect ethics from them.You should open eyes:)

[QUOTE]Muhammad T.S.Awan :AoA, fellows, please concentrate on important issues instead of useful comments on marketing techniques of mobile companies.
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Sir kindly tell what are important issues?
Secondly Yes these comments are useful because it was a question in our Journalism paper.

every thing is fair in love and war & its a war among companies

Ya, when the elephants fight the ants are crushed. :sad

And in this case of fight among the mobile companies, our culture and social norms are being crushed. We are raising a generation that has speaker phone in ears and image of a special one in eyes and dreaming for a revolution that will change their destiny. :clap

[QUOTE=hamarapakistan;278111]every thing is fair in love and war & its a war among companies[/QUOTE]

Once a soldier asked Tipu Sultan

Is it right that "ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR"?

In an epic sentence,Tipu Sultan replied

It is an excuse of English people, IT IS OUR TRADITION THAT WHAT IS TO BE DONE IN LOVE AND WAR [B]"Should b fair"[/B]:clap:clap

[QUOTE=Sociologist PU;277852]
And look at their ads on TV. How they bring young girls in mini dresses and ask us "hum apni nazaron say larkiuon ka akhtram karna kub seekhian gain" Waha, waha. Somebody should tell them that nobody will respect the girls if they will do such act in your ads on tv.[/QUOTE]

So you wont respect a girl until unless she is in Topi Burqa. That is sick.

Pakistani larkion ka bhi koi haal nahi. Log un ki insult karatay rahtay hain or un ko pata bhi nahi chalta. Balkay wo samjhti hain unhain izzat di ja rahi hay.

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278120]So you wont respect a girl until unless she is in Topi Burqa. That is sick.

Pakistani larkion ka bhi koi haal nahi. Log un ki insult karatay rahtay hain or un ko pata bhi nahi chalta. Balkay wo samjhti hain unhain izzat di ja rahi hay.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Black"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Thats a point:)..actully,mobile phone companies just want to enhance their business ,they have no concern with the national interests..its not the case with one TV commercial..you can see another TV ad in which students are sending texts to their teacher "Sir kia aap bhi nakkal ker k pass hote the? etc"...when Indians or other Foriegners tune our networks they usually get wrong message about our system from our own media and commercials..1 telecom company is offering background music serivce,and it shows in its ad how a son could hide his activites from his father,simply by setting the desired background music..so,its not only the matter of chatting between girls&boys but this culture is undermining our moral values..:mad:..night call packages really distrub the studies of brilliant students..why these companies dont offer day-time packages?..some members will not agree with me,but situation get worse when parents send their children to hostels for studies and they spend their whole night in chatting with friends.im not conservative not immature but im telling you what i observed.
Regards
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@ Jazibroomi

A girl does not need TOPI BURQA to get respect in the society. She just need a dress that fulfill the climatic/cultural requirements and approved by the society. These companies showing the culture of ultra-modern class which is less then one percent of population but showed as representative of pakistani society.

[QUOTE=Gulrukh;277864]There is some method to stop those advertisements on mobile phone or block those ad messages.although i dont know the exact method..bro's use them.i don't.[/QUOTE]

Can you please ask them & let me know? :happy:

[B]Gulrukh [/B]: It is an obligation, according to Islamic Law, for the woman not to uncover her face except to those who are Mahrams for her (some scholars do say face and hands are allowed, but not more), Similarly, it is an obligation upon a woman not to mix with men who are unrelated to her when she is unveiled (all scholars agree on this) and it is also incumbent upon her not to be secluded in any place with a man to whom she is unrelated (again, all scholars agree) - that is, one who is not a Mahram for her. it causes an infinite amount of corruption.

In the light of the above, I think the answer to your question "WHAT ADV IS BAD THAT IS SHOWN ON TV" has been answered. And also, Your question "Whats wrong if boys and girls talk blah blah" has been answered. If you don't agree to it, you reserve the right to do so however you should also admit clearly that you don't accept Islamic law then :)

[QUOTE=mukt;278262] It is an obligation, according to Islamic Law, [/QUOTE]
Should this Islamic dressing code be included in law or should it be considered as an advice. And if a part of Islamic Law, what is the penalty of violating this law?

In my opinion dressing should be left up to ones own choice and no one should make such humiliating remarks as those women who wear western dresses should not be respected. As a civilized citizen one should respect women irrespective of whether they wear Burqa or jeans.

Izzat kapro ki nahi insaan ki honi chaheye.

The real problem is that ours is a conservative society which can not tolerate anything new. For instance, most of the people criticize girls wearing jeans but no one bothers about "See Through Lawn ki Shalwar and Qameez" which is our women's national summer dress. Jeans us Lawn Suit say tou bhut he ziada Islamic hay. Then why we always criticize Jeans. Kabhi kissi molvi ko yeah kahtay suna kay aurtoon ko Lawn nahi pahnani chaheye? Islam is not the issue. Issue is our conservative mindset.

Baqi rahi yeah baat kay aurat ko gair mahrum kay samnay nahi aana chaheye or ghar ki chaar dewaari main hi rahna chaheye....ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta... Yeah tou gender discrimination hay or aurat ko mard ka ghulaam bana nay wali baat hay. mujhay tou lagta hay kay aoraat ko ghar say bahir nikal kay mardo kay shana bashana society main apna role play karna chaheye. or muashray main aik muqaam hasil karna us ka maqsad hona chaheye jaisay kay aadmi ki life ka maqsad hota hay.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]They are doing business, and what is the purpose of business? To earn money more and more, to establish a repute to attract people, the users etc. Girls are not dragged nor the busiessmen put gun on their head to get in those hellish advertisements. Both are in agreement. Now, who is that girl agrees to perform in half dress to promote one item of the company? A bold, rich, educated girl who has got everyting and the only thing left is Fame? OR the girl who has no source of income and is ready to sacrifice his body, honour etc just to feed his family and herself? And, these companies have their own think-tanks who are working to grasp our psyche, our demands, and what they show in their advertisements are the demands of today's generation. You, you and you and ME can protest, rather right now protesting on these sort of advertisements, but the generation is very in the habit of immitating and following those fasions what is being promoted through these ads. And, what to say of Topi Burqa? I know, this is the sign of the dignity of Muslim Woman, but I have also witnessed the prostitutes and common college/university gilrs who use the same Topi Burqa to hide their identity, to have an easy walk in the markets to avoid any interruption by their possible multiple mans. We can just pray to Allah to save ourselves and Mulsim men and women from the evils.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278311]Should this Islamic dressing code be included in law or should it be considered as an advice. And if a part of Islamic Law, what is the penalty of violating this law? [/quote]

If You trust in Allah and If you already know that Allah has advised this, why go against it? You mean to say that your advise is more wiser than Allah?

[quote] In my opinion dressing should be left up to ones own choice and no one should make such humiliating remarks as those women who wear western dresses should not be respected. As a civilized citizen one should respect women irrespective of whether they wear Burqa or jeans. [/quote]

All women should be respected regardless of their clothing etc, however the Islamic dress code is advised for the protection of the women. A male by nature is attracted towards a women.

[quote] Izzat kapro ki nahi insaan ki honi chaheye. [/quote]
who said otherwise? but that's not practical, you know :)

[quote] The real problem is that ours is a conservative society which can not tolerate anything new. For instance, most of the people criticize girls wearing jeans but no one bothers about "See Through Lawn ki Shalwar and Qameez" which is our women's national summer dress. Jeans us Lawn Suit say tou bhut he ziada Islamic hay. Then why we always criticize Jeans. Kabhi kissi molvi ko yeah kahtay suna kay aurtoon ko Lawn nahi pahnani chaheye? Islam is not the issue. Issue is our conservative mindset. [/quote]

well, that's what you think. Anyone who is familiar with islamic law will speak against both jeans and shalwars and qameez through which one can see. Also, Hijab is not only for women, it's for men also (maybe you should read more about islamic law) so don't say that islam is only trying to make things harder for women. Do you even know about the hijab for men? :)


[quote] Baqi rahi yeah baat kay aurat ko gair mahrum kay samnay nahi aana chaheye or ghar ki chaar dewaari main hi rahna chaheye....ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta... Yeah tou gender discrimination hay or aurat ko mard ka ghulaam bana nay wali baat hay. mujhay tou lagta hay kay aoraat ko ghar say bahir nikal kay mardo kay shana bashana society main apna role play karna chaheye. or muashray main aik muqaam hasil karna us ka maqsad hona chaheye jaisay kay aadmi ki life ka maqsad hota hay.[/QUOTE]

oh bhai no one said aurat ko ghar mai rakho, and please type in English. Your english is not that bad, it's better than mine :) its just that its easy to read english rather than urdu writen in english fonts :P

[QUOTE]ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta.[/QUOTE]

@ Jazib

[COLOR=Red]You are ordered not to jump into any discussion that has something religious in it. Your views are absolutely unacceptable in every aspect. Stay away from all such threads and learn to mind your language while communication on such formal forums.[/COLOR][COLOR=Red] [/COLOR]

it is very disappointed that we make every matter a religious matter.
why you ppl are attaching morality with religion generally and particularly Islam.
this is a fairly secular question related to morality and ethics and remember it was in the paper of journalism not islamiyat...

i think we should not indulge every matter with Islam....advocating Islam here means that you are saying that ppl belonging to other religions have all the rights to spread immorality...then those mobile companies can be justified in a way..coz
1)they are mostly owned by western non-Muslims..2)they can defend themselves any where against your stance by saying that they only feature non-Muslim ppl in their ads,3)these ads are directed towards non-Muslims..
then how can you prove your point?

the thing is that we should also see the things from others point of view as well.
we think we are the champions of islam and drag our religion in every futile matter as it is a very petty thing..don't degrade religion like this...grow up and give arguments by logic not by being how religious you ppl are.

Rightly said by shootingstar.

We are talking about ETHICS involving good business practices but some members are trying to drag the RELIGION in it whereas the good business practices are same in all religions.

HONESTY in dealing is a basic principle in business but they deceive the customers in one way or the other. Apart from ruining us culturally, they are also ruining us financially. The students who used to buy lot of things from their pocket money are now just buying the exciting packages for their cells and it is sheer wastage of their parent's hard earned money. :ohmy:

[B]Though I dont want to be part of this discussion yet I urge to compel our local comapnies to follow"Ethics" first to set precedence for MNCs.

Regards[/B]

one thing that teases me a lot is that these companies intrudes into my private life and disturbs my privacy..they keep on msging me without taking any prior consent from my side and also that i have not subscribed for any such msgs..it is highly unethical..it should be stopped...

[QUOTE=Andrew Dufresne;278501]@ Jazib

[COLOR=Red]You are ordered not to jump into any discussion that has something religious in it. Your views are absolutely unacceptable in every aspect. Stay away from all such threads and learn to mind your language while communication on such formal forums.[/COLOR][COLOR=Red] [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Andrew I want say something but you are continuously deleting my post. I just want to know what is wrong with this sentence "ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta." Aasi tou hazaroo batain hain jo kai log kahtay hain Islami hain or kai kahtay hain gair Islami hain. So what is issue here?

In this thread I post a reply only because i found a remark by socialogist pu discriminatory gender wise. That had nothing to do with religion. Even my second reply is related to this social issue and I did not specifically discussed religious view point towards Hijjab.

I wonder when I started thread in islamiat section under the topic Tahzeebi Nargasiat, both my remarks and the book i suggested was kind of you know which a conservative muslim may find radical or even offensive. But you not only thanked that post but also added to my reputation point with appreciating remarks.

I think your concern is not religion because i specifically did not discussed any thing about religion here. Your only issue is that you are against women empowerment.

A matter of further surprise to me is that mukt remarks "either you are a lier or you are a gay" are decent and formal in your dictionary.

I hope that you wont delete this post as this has nothing to do with religion.

[FONT="Georgia"][SIZE="3"][QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278576]
A matter of further surprise to me is that mukt remarks "either you are a lier or you are a gay" are decent and formal in your dictionary.[/QUOTE]
It was edited as soon as it came to my notice.

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278576]
In this thread I post a reply only because i found a remark by socialogist pu discriminatory gender wise. That had nothing to do with religion. Even my second reply is related to this social issue and I did not specifically discussed religious view point towards Hijjab.
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I sure did observe it and you replied to it and expressed your views. Was it deleted or even edited? Not at all.

There are few things every member should keep in mind. We never claimed to provide a platform where people can come up with whatever controversial topic or ideas they have in mind and discuss it here. The purpose and rules of the forum are clearly mentioned in the relevant sections of the forum.

We try not to interfere in any discussion but when the discussion takes a polemical turn, we have to jump in and edit or delete all such posts. Sure some members dislike this but our aim is to keep the forum's environment academic and we will keep doing it come hell or high water.

We expect members to stick to the topic during discussion. Threads are closed, eidted, deleted usually for the reason that the discussion took the direction of the tangential subject, instead of focusing on the main one.

Then there is also the good old rule about personal attacks and politically incorrect comments. We frown upon them.

Now if some member posts contentious and controversial comments, criticizes the religion and then asks innocently "So what is issue here?" then its my turn to feel surprised.

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278576]
I wonder when I started thread in islamiat section under the topic Tahzeebi Nargasiat, both my remarks and the book i suggested was kind of you know which a conservative muslim may find radical or even offensive. But you not only thanked that post but also added to my reputation point with appreciating remarks.[/QUOTE]

[B]As a matter of fact, I didn't just give you reputation point and thanked you, I also downloaded 140 pages of that book, converted it to PDF and uploaded it for general public access. This just reiterates the point: [COLOR="Red"]as long as any post does not violate the rule, does not create useless controversy, does not negatively affect the decorum of the forum we do not even touch it.[/COLOR]
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Its all about the rules. Nothing else! There is no bias at work here. All the posts, from you and other members, which were not related to the thread or had offensive statements have been edited or deleted.

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278576]Andrew I want say something but you are continuously deleting my post. I just want to know what is wrong with this sentence "ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta." Aasi tou hazaroo batain hain jo kai log kahtay hain Islami hain or kai kahtay hain gair Islami hain. So what is issue here?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JazibRoomi;278576]
I hope that you wont delete this post as this has nothing to do with religion.[/QUOTE]

Rule of thumb is we do not entertain any query questioning our decisions. Member do express their disagreement, their argument is considered impartially by the management and then it's either accepted or denied. [B]We do not justify ourselves. We do not convince the disgruntled member at all. [/B]
[COLOR="Red"]You gave your argument, it's been considered and turned down. Now do not expect any other post from us on this matter. We do what we have to do with no explanation given to any member.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]It seems you have difficultly in understanding what would be offensive to the majority of the members. Your comments, your views are out of the scope of this forum. There are plenty of sites on net where you can say things like "ab yeah batain chahay islami bhi hoon laikin mera zahan tou in ko nahi manta." and no one would raise an eye brow. This is not one of those forums.[/COLOR]

My [URL="http://www.cssforum.com.pk/278501-post26.html"]previous post[/url] still stands! You are not allowed to participate in any discussion pertaining to religion.

This post is directed to all the members. Any other post unrelated to the topic 'Cheap Marketing Tricks by Mobile Phone Cos' will be deleted. Any personal attack from any member will be dealt with strictly.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[QUOTE=Shootingstar;278502]it is very disappointed that we make every matter a religious matter.
why you ppl are attaching morality with religion generally and particularly Islam.
this is a fairly secular question related to morality and ethics and remember it was in the paper of journalism not islamiyat... [/quote]

I am sorry to disappoint you but all the ethical and moral values are defined and derived from religion(s). For example, for "x", killing innocent people will be moral while for "y" saving their lives will be moral. Who decides whats bad and good or correct & wrong? A Line must be drawn, some rules must be followed.

[quote] i think we should not indulge every matter with Islam....advocating Islam here means that you are saying that ppl belonging to other religions have all the rights to spread immorality...then those mobile companies can be justified in a way..coz
1)they are mostly owned by western non-Muslims..2)they can defend themselves any where against your stance by saying that they only feature non-Muslim ppl in their ads,3)these ads are directed towards non-Muslims..
then how can you prove your point? [/quote]

Minorities can practice and preach whatever they feel like as long as it is according to the Law and as long as the receiver is interested and wants to hear, however if "x" is Not Interested in hearing from "y" while "Y" continuously floods "x" with his word(s), then that's HARASSMENT and not advertisement etc. There is a big difference between HARASSMENT and Advertisement.

[quote] the thing is that we should also see the things from others point of view as well.
we think we are the champions of islam and drag our religion in every futile matter as it is a very petty thing..don't degrade religion like this...grow up and give arguments by logic not by being how religious you ppl are. [/quote]

Religion is a part of our day to day life, regardless you agree or not (that's a fact) At least, for a Muslim. No one is trying to be champion of Islam however the situation sometimes demands quotations and references from it because that's what people believe in. For example, "x" is trying to convince "y" (Assume "y" blindly or reasonably trusts "z") .. "y" refuses to agree with "x" arguments, "x" gives reference of "z" and explains that its point is derived from "z" and that "z" is in compatibility with me i.e "x", this makes it easier for "y" to understand and accept it. Similarly, I gave reference from Islam assuming the opposite person is a Muslim and even If he/she considers me wrong, At least he will give some weight to his/her Religion. On a side note, kindly do point out only 1 illogical and unreasonable argument of mine so that I can justify it because everything I said so far is completely compatible with logic & Reasoning.

[quote] P.S plz mods,don't delete this post as you did with my previous one...it is a humble request.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Please do NOT delete his post, neither mine. Let everyone have a chance to read it and comment.

[B]NOTE : I Apologize for using an unacceptable word i.e g_y. However, My Intentions were not to hurt someone, regardless of my Intentions I figured that my friend "JazibRoomi" Has been offended with it which is why I sincerely Apologize and assure everyone that such offensive word shall never be used (at least by me) [/B]

[B]I also would like to say that I agree with Andrew. I only wanted to have an open discussion but considering the nature of this forum, rules & other ethical and moral constraints, I think it's best to stay in limits and use language as polite as possible. So again, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone who were offended with my post(s). Thanks :)[/B]