O brother Reich!
I come here after burning my brain in numerous other activities
and therefore, couldn't invest much time for discussing things on forum. I come here in a cool, jolly state without any intent to discuss things seriously barring a few issues. I will try to do as much as I can in the limited amount of time available to me.
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1. I merely mentioned a historical recording of the inclusion of face veil in Muslim society, that has been well documented by historians. You may be tempted to challenge history itself, but do not dismiss my statement based on it without coming up with reasonable evidence.
My statement is reflected in most history books on Islam, and the research of Dr Ibrahim PhD on the subject supports it in the 4th para of this article http://www.irfi.org/articles/women_i...slam_hijab.htm
Feel free to pick up any other history book if you have the stomach for it.
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I will answer this in conjunction with the second point:
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My only observations are that you have not provided any concrete evidence of face covering. Please consult any tafsir/translation you wish regarding the ayats you mentioned. There is no mention of face covering. If there is do let us know.
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I subscribe to the views of Mr Ghamidi and other noted scholars whereby the face covering of Mothers of the Believers (wives of the Prophet) was a special injunction towards their exalted status and modesty. Their research into the Ahadith notes this very connection, and not towards women other than them.
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My reply to the
historical recording argument will still be lolz...
Don't worry! I am explaining why...
You know very well that the Qur'an was revealed in the period: 610 CE to 632 CE. During the
Madni period, Surah Ahzab (33) was revealed, whose verse 59 reads as follows:-
O Prophet! (Peace be upon him) Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers (Arabic: Nisa'a-il-Momineen)
to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies...
In
Tafseer Ibn Kathir, two notable traditions are found:-
(1) `Ali bin Abi Talhah (RAA) reported that
Ibn `Abbas (RAA) said that Allah (SWT) commanded the believing women, when they went out of their houses for some need, to cover their faces from above their heads with the Jilbab, leaving only one eye showing.
(2) Ibn Mas`ud, `Ubaydah, Qatadah, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, `Ata' Al-Khurasani and others also adhere to the view of Ibn Abbas (RAA).
(3) Muhammad bin Sirin said, "I asked `Ubaydah As-Salmani about this ayah i.e. the condition of Hijab. (To explain) he covered his face and head, with just his left eye visible (to see the path.)"
This is just a scarce amount of evidence in support of my view. I am neither a scholar nor do I have enough time.
Note right here that after verse 33:59 was revealed, all Muslim women started covering their faces. The wordings of the verse and relevant ahadith also prove this. Therefore, unless you consider these historical sources 'unreliable', it is proved beyond the shadow of doubt that the notion of covering face, was introduced into the very first & perfect Islamic society, by God Al-Mighty!
I haven't read it yet... I will read it soon (Insha Allah!) I know about Mr. Ghamidi and similar
notable scholars (your words) like Dr. Fazlur Rehman, Dr. Tufail Hashmi, Dr. Muhammad Faarooq Khan, etc. In my honest assessment, all their research seems to be aimed at
westernizing Islam. (Don't blow up! Stay cool!)
I like the concept of bringing our lives in accordance with the Quran and Sunnah, but, looking at the work of these people, it seems that
they try to bring the Quran and Sunnah in accordance with their own lifes!!! (Wallahu Aalam!)
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I did not intend to get into the religious aspects of this topic
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In my last post, I mentioned those things for other members.
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Lastly, it is my sincere advice to people who may be tempted to display arrogance in the face of ignorance
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I am sorry if you feel that my last post contained arrogance. In my view, I was contributing smiles & laughters! Take it easy! Stay cool!
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Keep an open mind and be tolerant towards other's opinions, especially in matters of faith. If you come across things that challenge your childhood madrassah knowledge, do not dismiss them off hand. You do not have to agree with it, but please have the courtesy to extend the intellectual respect that is due.
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If it is an
Ijtihadi issue, I have no problem with difference of opinion. Face veil is an Ijtihadi issue, so I can swallow difference of opinion. But, Javed Iqbal & others saying that
"wine is permissible in Islam" and that
"there is no head scarf in Islam" or Qadiyanis claiming a new Prophet (Mal'oon), I will
never accept it.
We will protect & preserve the true knowledge of Islam. IRI of Dr. Fazlur Rehman, in their
Fikr-o-Nazr had claimed that a major portion of Sahih Bukhari and other hadith books is (Nauzubillah) sayings of Muhadditheen themselves! How could on earth any Muslim swallow such a thing?!
Again, stay cool! I come here with a cool mind!
Regards,
Abdul Rehman.