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what some one suggest for past that india is our enemy may be right but to tell you first Quaid e Azam also considered them(Indians) their friend.And one can recognize the sincerity of other friend in difficult times.Qua-id leader ship have found the way to realize why they are our enemies. This is the long way travel from Lucknow pact to Muslim Dehli proposals.(DEPICTED the real face of Indians). Then he was able to fight for Muslim rights(as realized the enemy and had made a strategy to beat the enemy) and give us this beautiful landscape (Pakistan) but our leaders could not recognize the fact who is our friend /enemy.they blame game is only excuse to conceal their failure.

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M Ali Jinnah Indeed realized that the hindus and the muslims cannot co-exist and partition is important which resulted in Pakistan but after Pakistan was created what did he said about India? That they are our enemies and we should have bad relations with them and we should kill them and bomb hotels in mumbais and support groups working against them or did he advised having friendly relations with neighbors? Situation changes. Pre-partition was another story and post-partition was another story .. Just because someone said something in past (which of course was true for that time) does not mean(s) it will remain truth forever. He did not made a mathematical statement like 2+2=4 which will always remain true, It was true and logical for that time but time has now changed and What do you know what would have he advised If he was with us today? War with india and take them as enemies? If your answer is yes then you seriously don't even know the ABC of M Ali Jinnah and his wisdom
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TITLE OF MY POST........."REAL ENEMY IS PAKISTANI NATION ITSELF"

1.HISTORY OF PAKISTAN/MAKING OF PAKISTAN.
1..Bureaucratic Raj and its policies.
2.Pakistan as a republic state and mockery of constitution
3.military rule and its oppression/corruption.

2.PAKISTAN AND ZARDARI GOVERNMENT......
1.Assassin benazir also assassinated---history repeat itself.
2.CORRUPTION
3.IMF rule strengthened
4.lotafication and horse trading.
5.new budget and tax evasion



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MUKT brother ,thanx you noticed ...........................................
How you interpret my post ??? you just only saw i have said thanks to members who opposed your views so has become indispensable for you to reply and address my post.but your interpretation is totally wrong .If you really have studied the Pakistan history other than wars then you should have other facts to justify your opinion.you have to listen others too ...


The wave of extremism not only affected conservatives but also liberals who have become liberal extremist.extremism is always harmful.we turned blind eye to any of the fact ,though it may be true.that is the hall mark of extremism,Pakistan was born in 1947 and govt. of India 1935 act was promulgated.so all the authorities were in the hands of governor general.Qua id -i-Azam was first governor general pf Pakistan.one should know the fact that India first governor gen.was lord Mountbatten.the defense of both countries would have remained in the hands of commonwealth until both countries will make their own constitution.The phenomena of constitution making in Pakistan was delayed because Pakistan had become toy in the hands of bureaucrats.GOVERNOR GEN.G.MOHAMMAD was a bureaucrat.unfortunately he was become the finance minister of pakistan and later governor general.NOW THERE IS A BIG WHY AND WHY HE WAS MADE GOVERNOR GEN. DESPITE OF THE FACT THAT HE WAS DISMISSED BY LIAQAT ALI KHAN ON THE ACCOUNT OF HIS PARALYSIS????????This governor who could not speak well with foreign counterparts then how he could have managed the administration of Pakistan.ROTH BOOL was his personal secretary who interpret his GOON-GAAN to others.this is very strange another bureaucrat that was sikandar mirza played with this governor and played very well!!!.Now he was sent to Bangladesh to impose martial law.......This is bureaucracy who has initiated these martial law.AS far as 1948 war is concerned i will considered it a victory ,not defeat.because defense was in the hands of Britain and they were not in the favor of Pakistan. when `quaid i azam acknowledged Indians bad intentions in the case of Kashmirs,he ordered GEN.AUCKLAND TO occupy Kashmir.and the ordered was refused.then FATA mujhadind occupied parts of gilgit,baltistan and 73% area of Kashmir.why INDIA at that time had made this BILATERAL ISSUE as an international issue???? because of being unable to tackle the situation.....why UN approached????? a big question mark!!!!!!!!

secondly ,Pakistan was became republic in in56.MOHAMMAD ALI BOGRA was made prime minister of pakistan and he had made an excellent piece of constitution which calm down both bengaliz and west pakistan..
Prime Minister of Pakistan (1953–1955).but ,unfortunately he was dismissed and constitution was abrogated.That case is not happened with India..governor GEN.GHULAM dismissed Hussain shaeed seharwardi without approval of Assembly.our able ministers such as Liqat ALI khan,khawja nazmudin,molvi fazlul haq,hussain shaheed seharwardi were treated badly bu these bureaucrats......Thirdly,WHO involve AYUB in politics ---these bureaucrats.when power had came in the hands of these dictators they also became tyrants and ruined the democratic process by introducing "EBDO and BASIC DEMOCRACY"

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was grooming himself to replace Ayub Khan as the president of Pakistan, saw the parliamentary form of government as denying him the ultimate power in Pakistan. Bhutto realized that his political constituency of Sindh and his popularity in Punjab were incapable of upsetting Mujib-ur-Rehman’s power in East Pakistan and in any parliamentary elections Mujib would win more proportional representation than Bhutto. In the political calculus of Bhutto, it made more sense to create a situation which would cause Bhutto to win an election on the strength of his political constituency in West Pakistan minus East Pakistan and hence, Bhutto’s role in the break up of Pakistan, when seen in this light makes sense. Bhutto’s opposition to Mujib’s Six Points was strange, because he had supported Mujib and his Six Points against Ayub Khan in the 1960s and thus, his opposition to those very Six Points implies that the reason he rejected them, was because Mujib would have ended up as the next prime minister of Pakistan. The fact that Bhutto never wanted to be the prime minister of Pakistan was evident when he succeeded Yahya Khan after the separation of East Pakistan as the president of Pakistan.bhutto have made his own army whose occupation is to kill those ministers who opposed his agenda.many leaders came to gen zia ul haq to overthrow the bhtoo regime...these all belonged to ANP and muslim league....SO,ZIA STAGED operation fair play... sir abdul qayuum khan...and many others .When we came to Musharrf then it is strange why he has been criticized.just only because he reduced the loans of IMf???? and want to make Pakistan sovereign???? Pakistan GDP was recorded 6+ in 2005 and now it is 2% why????you have read economist column about loans ??? pakistan suppose ,had 35 bn loan in 2005 ,but now it has to pay 25 bn as per interest installment ......
1.yellow cab scheme is good??? or adventure???
2.tax evasion is good??? Because political leaders have been becoming victim of it.so new budget have no policy to improve taxation system .
3.Asma jehangir is raising hue and cry over undemocratic act of govt who appointed judged for ABBT,SARFRAZ commission without chief justice permision???


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1.Sultan noor din zangii and saif uud din zangi ,both are brothers.one brother proved to be treacherous (saif ud din). But sultan noor din tackled him batter.Saif ud din helped Christians and assassins(HASSAN BIN SABAH) to over throw the govt of noor ud din.study the life of Noor ud deen and SALADIN.even their enemies admired them.Sultan SALADIN never considered Christians his enemy and forgave all those Christians who massacred the Muslim population even pregnant women too.he declared AMAAN for them.He did not said that assassins/Christians/ Muslims were the enemy.this shrewd man had the ability to be called a leader.


mukt ans..........
I seriously don't know what you are trying to say here but If you are trying to say that forgiving is better than revenge than that depends on the situation. You If forgive "xyz" because of some personal problems and/or personal losses he/she caused you then I will appreciate you and might attribute you with a leadership quality but If you are the leader of people and your people have been killed and/or murdered and/or tortured and you have a chance to take the revenge for them and/or reply the enemy for their wrongs and If you forgive them then this is not really a leadership quality because you cannot decide on behalf of those who were oppressed, you can forgive your personal things but not for others because that will be illogical.


I.here showed one fact that Christians/muslims/assassins designs were against these muslem ruler..aj ke tara tb be saif ud din ne christians ka sath diya tha taky vo hukoomat kar saky and ya tak assassins ce marvany ke koshsis be ke gae but both(SALADIN,NOOR -UD -DIN) were shrewd leader and ye jan gae the zamany ka muqabla kis tara krana...jeena he to sir uthha ke jeena and marna he to bahaduroo ke tara...ya pe hun paki indian ke sath ...daikhty inke movies hen.suntey inky gaaney hen..unka culture follow karty hem and dosary tarf ye be kehty hen ke India dushman he....agar hum foresighted ho jaen to him apney mulk ko khud protect lar sakty hen...magar hum ne ye kaam aurro ke liye choora he

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2. who said that india is not responsible but please consider the factors which has made it in dominant position.you know why govt of Pakistan enforced governor raj in sind because peer bakhs ilahi somroo in 1950z submitted to Indian terms ,in order to gain rule in the state of Hyderabad .so we are real enemies


mukt ans...
The thing to analyze is that If India has harsh feelings towards you then why is that? You should know what we have done to them in past and we could not serve the purpose. If we could take kashmir with force then of course we should not think twice and go for a bang bang and get it just like they took bangladesh from us but If we cannot take it with force because our army is incompetent or whatever the reason might be then we should strive and struggle for other ways around rather than doing things that will even worsen the case and our brothers and sisters in kashmir will suffer even more.
match ...me ne kiya kah he and aap ne kiya jawb diya he



me ne kaha kiya he and ans bilkul apposite diya...why???? match your statements..............
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