The way forward:
Attain power(military,economic).this is the cry of the day.I know world is no more like it was 200 years ago,but still might makes right here.Our forefathers were superior for they had might.
Ganwa di ham ne jo aslaaf se meeras pai thi
suraiyya se zameen pe asman ne ham ko de mara

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Dear sorry my mail service was not working, so i posted here.

1-They are intent on inflicting revenge on us for being ruled by our forefathers. They have proved every now and then(Urdu-Hindi controversy (1867), Partition of Bengal and their response. Lucknow pact and treachery on their part, Shudhi-sanghtan Arya samaj and a host of other movements)

Dear muslim and hindus live in the sub-continent for more than 1000 years. there were equally respected, have an equal representation in Army, they were regarded as respected citizens of country.and in the war of independence they fought shoulder to shoulder with there muslim brothers. you can find hundred of hindu freedom fighters by probing internet.
regarding hindi-urdu controversy it was a cultural struggle,if some one compel to enact persian language as an official language , what would be your reaction, ofcourse we would react, so there reaction was natural as they were in majority and according to the western concept of democracy hindu should be regarded as an official language.and one thing more , urdu is regarded as a language of muslims, no dear no, urdu came into being through different communities, so urdu was as much as hindus language as it was of muslims.
and the bengal unification moment was ushered by communities having vested interest like lawyers,bussiness-men and print media.so they misguide ignorant masses. and regarding the extremist organizations in hindus , do remember goro nank and other leaders who spread the message of peace and love.

2-Their unjustified occupation of Kashmir (the Aorta of Pakistan) and our waters i.e madhupur and ferozpur headworks.

Dear do read the history of kashmir, Raja of kashmir officially declared boundary unification with india through treaty, according to 3rd june plan the it was totally accent of head of the state or maharaja to remain aloof or either go for pakistan or india.

3-Uncalled for intervention in Pakistani affairs in 1971 along with Russia

what about the one million innocent bangalis killed by pakistan army, and india was pleaded by bangali leaders for help, the whole world was supporting bangalis and there freedom struggle, by cramming the history you would came to know that even china refused to help pakistan because of its human rights violation in east pakistan.pakistan stood alone in international community.india was supported by united nations and all big powers. and dear brother, more than 10 thousands women were raped by Army in east pakistan, which is a least figure.


4-Their involvement in Baluchistan and KPK

what about our involvement in kashmir , mumbai attacks , india parliament attack , 3 indian planes hijacking cases, our support to different armed struggles in india , dear tit for tat.

5-They pocketed our Siachin treacherously.
pakistan army initiated this conflict. army commandos attacked indian army in local mujahideen outfit , killed thousand of them violating the peace accord .its a long story dear,go and do a little research you would easily find the facts.


6-They don’t like destabilized Pakistan but a Pakistan devoid of nuclear arsenal.
they dont need to. they are focussing on economic pririties not dummies like us that every time obsessed with defence.

7-They are corrupting the minds of Arab world about Pakistan.
Arabs are themselves getting close to india because of its economy, it can be the biggest buyers of arab oil. dear its 2011 , an economic war era.

8-whom do you people think India, a country having the most number of donkeys and beggars is staging against, by spending more than 20 Bn dollars every year on their defense?

Dear indian is competing china, it would soon become regional super power and will get permanent seat in security council , because of its improved relation and business priorities with china. china itself is getting close to india because of its economy.once it get NOC from china it would acquire a VETO power.

9-Indian nexus with Israel, technology transfer and the forestation of Arqad in India.
you dont need to be obsessed, india will take every step to enhance it economic power.

10-Pakistani’s daughters in Indian markets, Every year Indians abduct our Pakistani daughters, sisters and mothers from the border region later to be sold in Indian markets nickel and dime(600Rupees or so).[1] It is heart rending when somebody says we can befriend them.

no idea about that , it is more moral and religious issue rather than economic and defence related.if it is so, then proper steps must be taken. but i cant believe that indian government would be involved in such kind of activities.

11-They Played April fool with us in 1948 by blocking our water, thereby causing havoc to our agriculture.

Dear at that time there were no agreement of water, so why they would not ??


12-They are busy wreaking mayhem on our brothers and sisters of Kashmir

kashmir is there problem and there state. there are armed struggles there also, we called them mujahideen who kill unarmed people and hindus and even not spare monks , and india called them terrorists. there is no difference between TTP and the extremists operating there, TTP is hailed by india as freedom fighters, so should be let them kill us ?

13-They are/have been moving heaven and earth to stop Pakistan from acquiring a permanent seat in SC as well as in every regional or International organization.

hahahhahahah hats off to you Dear brother , on what basis we are going to be alloted permanent seat in SC i think its enought. thanks for putting this Question. you burst me out of laughter.

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what some one suggest for past that india is our enemy may be right but to tell you first Quaid e Azam also considered them(Indians) their friend.And one can recognize the sincerity of other friend in difficult times.Qua-id leader ship have found the way to realize why they are our enemies. This is the long way travel from Lucknow pact to Muslim Dehli proposals.(DEPICTED the real face of Indians). Then he was able to fight for Muslim rights(as realized the enemy and had made a strategy to beat the enemy) and give us this beautiful landscape (Pakistan) but our leaders could not recognize the fact who is our friend /enemy.they blame game is only excuse to conceal their failure.

1.Sultan noor din zangii and saif uud din zangi ,both are brothers.one brother proved to be treacherous (saif ud din). But sultan noor din tackled him batter.Saif ud din helped Christians and assassins(HASSAN BIN SABAH) to over throw the govt of noor ud din.study the life of Noor ud deen and SALADIN.even their enemies admired them.Sultan SALADIN never considered Christians his enemy and forgave all those Christians who massacred the Muslim population even pregnant women too.he declared AMAAN for them.He did not said that assassins/Christians/ Muslims were the enemy.this shrewd man had the ability to be called a leader.

ek baar phir yasrab ce phalastin aa`a
rasta daikhty he masjid e aqsa tera
2.Now judge the personality of humayuun .humayuun also had fought with bravery with sher shah but could not defeat him.his faulty policy either to conquer first the fort of ghaur or chanur.he moved toward chaunr(BIHAR) despite being advised by his umraaz to move toward Ghaur(BANGLADESH)
2. who said that india is not responsible but please consider the factors which has made it in dominant position.you know why govt of Pakistan enforced governor raj in sind because peer bakhs ilahi somroo in 1950z submitted to Indian terms ,in order to gain rule in the state of Hyderabad .so we are real enemies

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All of you answers except the last one(where in my question I mistakenly wrote permanent seat for non-permanent seat) are either false or equivocated.I'll rebut in a short while.

This debate could benefit much if we catagorize or rather re frame the original question. In actual terms, and according to International Relations, enemies of the states are classified into two groups.

1. FOREIGN ( meaning External enemies, usually in the shape of hostile countries)

2. DOMESTIC ( meaning Internal enemies. Examples of which are Anti state and anti federation elements that hurdle the operations of the same with their activities)

Mixing up these two will never generate a fruitful discussion nor a pragmatic answer. In some unique and peculiar geo-political scenarios, the above cited two catagories may be tantamount, which creates a chaotic circumstance.) This is deliberately done in a meticulous and clandestine manner by the EXTERNAL ENEMIES OF THE STATE in order to precipitate a desired outcome of their foreign policies towards a specific region and/or a state in question.

Unfortunately Pakistan is one such state due to its immense geo strategic and geo political importance. Pakistan is a country which bridges the Gulf, CIS, China, Afghanistan, India, Russia to the rest of the world via the Indian Ocean. Furthermore, the CIS and Pakistan are rich with mineral resources which is ubiquitous knowledge. Most contemporary wars, whether it in the shape of the bogus revolutionary limited conflict that CNN so efficiently covers or the crisis in the Sudan region and Niger Delta are wars being fought for the control of these RESOURCES, and the TRADE ROUTES that can deliver these resources with efficacy to any corner of the known world. A key point to understand here are STRAITS, which play an immperitive role when the DOMINATION of these resources are discussed. When such ground realities are prevailing, the line of disparity between EXTERNAL ENEMIES OF THE STATE and INTERNAL ENEMIES OF THE STATE become at the least blurry if not totally non existant.

We all know the major contenders of that seek control of these areas. The US, UK, and BRIC Countries. Out of the BRIC countries Brazil is not a major player in our part of the world directly due to its geographic proximity. The reason that Brazil vehemently backs and supports Pakistan is also due to its desire to be a player in this NEO GREAT GAME.

After this preamble ( which was nessecarry to make my point) it would be a folly of gigantic proportions to assume that the India, US, Israel nexus does not carry naferious intents towards our country Pakistan. The Israeli PM’s last speech at Capitol Hill is a stark authentication of the ill designs that ISRAEL has for Pakistan. Mr Natenyahu blatently stated that he can see opportunities streatching from the SRTAIT OF GIBRALET TO THE KHYBER PASS!! If that isn’t a writing on the wall, then we are surely blinded by our egos, and the constant edification of false facts by our beloved verbal vomiting media.

As far as the INTERNAL ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN, and since I have already pointed out that in Pakistan’s case they may be tantamount. This is the more important and unfeigned inquiry in dire need of deliberation. WAR has also evolved, and so has the modus operandi to wage war. The late US president JFK realized this and established the JFK SPECIAL WARFARE CENTER to cater to this new kind of war. Pshycological Operations, Sabotage, Propaganda, and INFORMATION WARFARE are the chief weapons of todays wars. These weapons soften up the ‘TARGET STATE’ for the Ultimate boots on the ground kind of war.

Unless we understand this we will be unable to understand the real reasons for the two world wars and the impending Third World War, a war that is almost certain to begin as a consequence of the US attempt to seize and control Central Asia. Personally I humbly opion that WW III is already taking place and we just don’t know it as yet. I consider myself a humble student of Warfare (as may be evident from my display ID as well ) and no other statement more accurate to describe Pakistan’s Situation. PEACE IS ONLY THE PERIOD THAT A NATION NEEDS TO PREPARE ITSELF FOR WAR. This adage was put forward by MOA ZE DONG who is one of the world’s greatest military thinkers (its true but a little known fact)
Coming back to the evolved form warfare, or INFORMATION WARFARE, I can safely say that in its realm lies the EXTERNAL ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN. Who are they??? Keep Reading.

The Zionist Elite owns the 905 of the world’s media, banks, defence and oil industry. They control, either directly or indirectly, many of Pakistan’s, political parties, media house, and desperately endevour to control our ARMED FORCES. The recent stint by our Interior Minister to seek control over ISI was orchestrated by the same Zionist Neo Cons, which was rebutted. Sadly our presnt democratic regime is also not an ELECTED but a SELECTED one, by who u ask? Take a guess… the same ELITE. One Israeli PM also stated that as long as WE get to choose the governments of the world, WE can control the world politics.

The elite is intent on conquering the world through the use of the abilities of the people of the United States, which also serves as their command center. In 1774 that Amschel Mayer Rothschild (a Top Elite) stated at a gathering of the twelve richest men of Prussia in Frankfurt: “Wars should be directed so that the nations on both sides should be further in our debt.” He further enunciated at the same meeting: “Panics and financial depressions would ultimately result in World Government, a new order of one world government.” I HOPE MY DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE SEING THE PICTURE NOW!

Brzezinski a reknowned Zionist sophist, is on record to say that 2 PROFESSIONS ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ZIONIST GLOBAL DOMINATION, LAWYERS AND JOURNALISM. It is precisely through these tools mass opinions can be altered, AND BOTH THESE ARE EXTREMELY ACTIVE IN PAKISTAN!

Pakistan is deliberately being made a hostage by being handed out invisible loans, that ultimately go to serve the purpose of these SOLDIERS of the ELITE. Please don’t forget that Israel was founded in lieu of payment of a DEBT. And the same plans are being inacted in Pakistan as well as in DUBAI, which is also a target of this ELITE cabal. Dubai is in debt of US Dollars 58 TRILLION, a debt which is designed to become a BAD DEBT on purpose!

THE OBAMA REGIME HAS ALREADY AWARDED THE MEDIA OF PAKISTAN A GROSS AMOUNT OF 1.8 MILLION US DOLARS (1.5 ARAB PAK RUPEES) to create this chaos and spread deceitful messages, The campaign to malign our Armed Forces in part and parcel of the same agenda, being promulgated by the MEDIA and THE LAWYERS. (the next time anyone feels Asma Jahangir is very righteous, please reconsider how she lives in a 8 cror plus mansion, so beyond her means! Same goes for hamid Mir and many other champions of the oppressed that we see howling in our media from 8 PM daily)

Politicians are not very far off, and Im sure that all of us are quite aware of the behind the curtain meetings that led to the NRO.

Im sorry for such a lengthy post, but I’ll end now by Che Geuvara’s saying. IN A WORLD OF UNIVERSAL DECEIT, TELLING THE TRUTH IS INDEED REVOLUTIONARY.

Regards, god of war

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Sure bro, let's analyze them!

Now this is EXACTLY what the textbooks tells us. This is indeed an uneducated approach. This is exactly what the common man on the road will tell you that "WE HAVE RULED INDIA FOR CENTURIES AND THEREFORE THEY WANT TO TAKE REVENGE FROM US, SOON WE WILL RULE THEM AGAIN AS WE HAVE DONE IN PAST" lol.

Secondly, Partition of bangal was their responsibility ? You mean that they advised our army to rape women & Kill innocent people in masses? Or did They advised us not to give bengal it's due rights and to give them a feeling that we are superior and they are inferior to us ? The only thing they advised our army was to surrender or die and our so-called coward army surrendered despite of being huge in number (not comparatively, but the number was huge, of course) having hell of weaponry to put up a good fight and die in honor. They feared death and decided to be taken POW's and serve under the Indian army orders and help in developing roads and other tasks they were given.

No doubt the Indians supported the movement for the partition of bangel and why did it do so? Because

1 - They were aware that our army is incompetent
2 - They were aware that we are not giving due rights to the concerned people (bangalis)
3 - They were almost in a state of war with us

The thing worth mentioning is that the time have changed, things are different now and India is interested in developing their country more than destroying our country.

This again proves the incompetence of our army and leadership. If India can free bangladesh (not because our occupation was justified, just because our behavior towards them was unjustified) then why can't on earth Pakistan free kashmir considering the occupation is unjustified? The reason is simple, Incompetence and our army officers are busy in making more and more $$ rather than kashmir issue. What have our leaders done so far for kashmir? Nothing .. Even the kashmir we have today was taken for us by the mujaheeden lol .. sometimes i think we (our political leadership & army leadership) both are disinterested in the issue of kashmir .. The problem could have been solved if we were serious about it and could have planned something for it, so again india a lone is not to be blamed.


Again, wrong. There's a saying by Hazrat Ali i guess which goes something like this that "A society can survive with kufr but it cannot survive with injustice" dunno if that's the exact words or not but the meaning is the same so lol we should blame ourselves for this as we CALLED for it

Of course, If you will attack their Parliament and If you will create hell in mumbai by taking hostages and killing people and If you will support organizations working against them then what do you expect? They will sit back and party or will they retaliate?

Good you mentioned this, I am sure you have read about operation meghdoot and if not read it now and you'll know more about the incompetence of our army and you will know yourself who is a bigger enemy, our army or india

True. That's true because Pakistan want's the same, isn't it? So It's natural they will want the same for us. We both hate each other and so such things are not worth mentioning and If you want to mention them then mention both sides of the coin .. don't you yourself want an India with no nuclear arsenal? ask our country men and 95% will answer in "YES, WE DON'T want them to have it"

This is childish. If they have resources to corrupt minds, why don't we?

It's one of the fastest growing economy lol and it's understandable that they will spend some good amount on defense and it's their right to spend whatever they want for their defense because they are not beggars like us and so they can be choosers


That's more like telling "Israel is our enemy". India reserves the right to have all the technologies which feel can secure them or give them some advantage

1 - I have never heard about this before so I thank you for the increase in my knowledge (I will have to confirm this though)

2 - Secondly, If it's true, that does not mean that everyone is involved on their behalf.

You fail to understand that it was a different time and now is a different time. Things have changed and relations have improved (as compared to before, of course)

And what are we doing for our brothers and sisters in kashmir? Sitting in A.C drawing room and writing comments on a forum criticizing india and praising kashmir? lol

Pakistan should make itself competent enough so that their arguments for stopping pakistan stands null and void. With the current mindset and "KARNAMAS" of our army and isi, it is highly unlikely to be successful against India in the said regard.


I can only say that you should analyze both sides of the coin and then think out of the box and comment.


1 - I never said gandhi doodh say dhula tha or that he was a very good man
2 - Gandhi is a respectable figure in international community therefore we should show some respect at least and not mention such words like "MAKKAR" for him in textbooks for students and brainwash them
3 - Same should happen in india, they should stop writing BS against our Quaid i.e M Ali Jinnah and show some respect towards him
4 - Gandhi is highly criticized and yeah nehru too is criticized. Pick up a random PS book and then go through it and you'll know :P

Look brother, who decides what is "MAKKARI". What might be makkari for you might not be for me and vice versa. Similarly, what might be "MAKKARI" for us might be heroism for hindus and what might be "MAKKARI" for them will be something great and excellent for us. It depends on point of view so lol

M Ali Jinnah Indeed realized that the hindus and the muslims cannot co-exist and partition is important which resulted in Pakistan but after Pakistan was created what did he said about India? That they are our enemies and we should have bad relations with them and we should kill them and bomb hotels in mumbais and support groups working against them or did he advised having friendly relations with neighbors? Situation changes. Pre-partition was another story and post-partition was another story .. Just because someone said something in past (which of course was true for that time) does not mean(s) it will remain truth forever. He did not made a mathematical statement like 2+2=4 which will always remain true, It was true and logical for that time but time has now changed and What do you know what would have he advised If he was with us today? War with india and take them as enemies? If your answer is yes then you seriously don't even know the ABC of M Ali Jinnah and his wisdom


I seriously don't know what you are trying to say here but If you are trying to say that forgiving is better than revenge than that depends on the situation. You If forgive "xyz" because of some personal problems and/or personal losses he/she caused you then I will appreciate you and might attribute you with a leadership quality but If you are the leader of people and your people have been killed and/or murdered and/or tortured and you have a chance to take the revenge for them and/or reply the enemy for their wrongs and If you forgive them then this is not really a leadership quality because you cannot decide on behalf of those who were oppressed, you can forgive your personal things but not for others because that will be illogical.

I again don't understand what are you trying to say but ok. Let's move on.

The thing to analyze is that If India has harsh feelings towards you then why is that? You should know what we have done to them in past and we could not serve the purpose. If we could take kashmir with force then of course we should not think twice and go for a bang bang and get it just like they took bangladesh from us but If we cannot take it with force because our army is incompetent or whatever the reason might be then we should strive and struggle for other ways around rather than doing things that will even worsen the case and our brothers and sisters in kashmir will suffer even more.

Mukt Bhai, aap ka poora naam MUKT EE BAHINI tou nai hey?

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Dear it would be my pleasure too see your counter comments.

An advice from my side:

do consult foreign Historians books and articles , the truth would reveal on you Inshallah. reading local authors and academic books would take you no where, seriously it would help you in your preparations and also broaden your thinking.

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dear if bureaucracy is the no 1 enemy of pak. then y u intent to be part of same.....? it is not a specific deptt> which is the enemy of paki. but we all r. from peon to present every one possesses pessimistic bent of mind.ITS UR SPIRIT ND THOUGHT WHICH HAS EMANATED FROM UR WITHIN AS ENEMY6 OF PAK