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Originally Posted by siddiqui88
Islami taleemat kehti hai k farishtay Allah k takht ko uthay hoay hain(kon janay 'Takht" ks cheez ka istiara hai?)
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Originally Posted by Da Skeptic
Pehli baat to ye hai k mere ilm me esa kch nahi k Islam ye kehta ho k Allah ka koi takht hai aur Farishte ose uthaye hve hote hain..
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[Surah 7:54] Surely your Lord is Allah who has created the heavens and earth in six Days, then He dwells on the 'Throne.
[Qur'an 69:17] And the angels are in over-across the sky. And on that day eight angels uphold the 'Throne of thy Lord above (head of) them.
[Surah 40:7] (The angels) who bear the 'Throne'.
You can confirm these from the Holy Quran.
I would say again that I am not claiming here that these words are used in their literal sense; may be it is used literary. Words may be finite but their meanings can never be. When the meanings are infinite how can you stick to a peculiar one, merely for it having been presented by you?
Meanings are in no way finite; its here where the beauty of every kind of discourse lies whether it is our Holy scripture or verses of Ghalib.
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Originally Posted by Da Skeptic
@Sidiqqui88
Khuda Quraan me farmata hai,
"yani wo aisi zaat hai jo aasman me bhi mabood hai aur zameen me b aur wo hakeem o aleem hai" (Surat: Zakhraf, Aayat:84)
"Yani wo tumhare sath hai khwah tum jahaan b ho aur jo kuch tum karte ho Khuda os se aagah hai" (Surah: Hadeed, Ayat: 4)
"Yani aankhen ose nahi daekhtin lekin wo ankhun ko daekhta hai...." (Surah: An'aam, Aayat: 104)
"Yani tum mjhe hargiz nahi daekh sakte.....(Musa A.S ne) arz ki k Khudaya tu to is se munazza hai k ankh se daekha ja sake......." (Surah: A'raaf, Ayat: 143)
In tamam aayat ki roshni me keh raha hun k Khuda Jism nahi rakhta.. Beshak aql e insani os zaat tak nahi pohnch sakti, lekin me apni aql e aajiz o naqis ki baat nahi, Quran ki aayat paesh kar raha hun
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Quraani hawala jaat pe koi sawal uthana " cheh maani darad..." Her muslman in pe ankhen bnd kr k yaqeen krta hai. Lakin in ko smjhnay ka her ek ka andaaz mukhtalif ho skta hai.
Allah her jaga mojood hai is me koi shak nhe. Me ni ye nhe kaha k khuda ka maadi wajood hai.
Khuda ka maadi wajood hai? I did not say.
Khuda ka madi wajood nhe ? I did not say.
This is the simplest elaboration of what I said in my posts.
Ap khuda k tasawwur ko sirf in do khano me taqseem q krtay hain. Wo be misl hai. Jaamid aur mujarrid k ksi ek tasawwur pe tayyaqun kr k beth jaana us k tasawur ko mehdood krnay k mutraadif hai.
Khuda k tassawur per hmen sirf isharay miltay hain. Aur yahe rimziyat he hai jo us k baaray me hamary takhayyul ki khobsoorti brhaatay hain.
Agar hum us k wajood ko jaan lain to emaan kesa? agar dekh lain to deedar ka intazar kesa?
Jahaan tak Ghalib k sher ki baat hai to me yahe kahon gi k "alfaaz gunjeena e maani k talism ki hesiat rkhtay hain." Agar ifkaar o ashaar ko ksi ek tashreeh ya tojeeh me muqayyad krna shart hota her dosra taalib ilm urdu me fail hota.