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ap Facebook k page "halqa arbab e zauq" ki baat ker rahay hain tou ap website "arbabezauq" k right side pe diye gaye link "join us on facebook" ko click keren.Page khul jaye tou ooper "Like" ki option ho gi,usay click ker den.ap us k member ban jayen gy.ap ka facebook pe account hona zaroori hai.
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Dosri baat ye hai k Khuda ne apne liye 1 ka number kabhi use nae kiya.. Arabic se Urdu me translate karte hve 1 likha gaya hai.. Arabic me 1 ko "wahid" kaha jata hai, Khuda ne Quraan me ye nai kaha k "qul huwallahu wahid"
"Wahda hu" La Shareeka Lahu...I hope you may be familiar with these words...
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Pehli baat to ye hai k mere ilm me esa kch nahi k Islam ye kehta ho k Allah ka koi takht hai aur Farishte ose uthaye hve hote hain.. mere azeez, kiya Islam ye nahi kehta k Khuda hr jaga Mojod hai? Ap ne to Khuda ko zaman o makan ki qaed me keh diya..
Teesri baat ye k mujhe is bat se koi ikhtilaf nahi k har kisi ka apna nuqta e nazar hota hai.. is tarah jo wazahat Farah ne ki hai wo un ka apna nuqta e nazar hai.. aur isi tarha mera b.. aur mujhe nae lagta k Galib ne Wehdat ul Wajood ya Wehdat ul Shahood k nazriye k hisab se vo she'r kaha ho kiun k Galib ne esi bat aur kaheen nae ki.. aur zaruri ye b nae k Galib ki bat aur koi nazriya aik jese lag rahe hoon to ye kaha jae k Galib ne vhi nazriya k tehet kaha ho.. lekin me janta hun k me jo keh raha hun ye b zaruri nae k durust ho.. magar meri mantiq yahi kehti hai..
You did not read my post properly. I wrote "ho skta hai" many times there. Infact I have no notion of my own about the things which I consider to be out of human perception. I simply meant that. Nothing else.
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"Wahda hu" La Shareeka Lahu...I hope you may be familiar with these words...
my dear, wahid aur wahdahu me aasman zameen ka farq hai..
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آپ تمام لوگوں کے دلائل اپنی جگہ مگر شعر کی تشریح کا زمانہ سے گہرا تعلق ہوتا ھے؛ سو فرح کی بات زمانے کو دیکھتے ہوے ٹھیک ؛ورنہ دا سکیپٹک آپ سی بھی متفق؛؛مگر کیا شاعر یہ کہتا ھے ؟؟ غالب کا اگر تصوف سے تعلق تھا تو میرا نہیں خیال کہ شعر کی یوں توضہح کی جاۓ

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me facebook k page ki nae halqa e arbab e zauq website ki baat ker raha hun..
ager ap wahan apni shayiri waghera shaya kerwanay k hawalay se baat ker rahay hain tou us k lye ap ko admin ko email kerni paray gi.website join ker k ap khud kuch shaya nae ker saktay.
aur ager ap ki muraad ye hai k taaza kalam ap k email inbox mein pohanch jaye tou aisa nae ho sakta.us k lye ap ko website khud visit kerni paray gi.
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my dear, wahid aur wahdahu me aasman zameen ka farq hai..
Meray khayal main ye zameen aasmaan ka farq sirf itna hay
wahid: aik / akela
wahdahoo: wo aik / akela hay
sirf ism zameer ka seegha istamal hojany say zameen aasman ka farq....?

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Khuda Quraan me farmata hai,
"yani wo aisi zaat hai jo aasman me bhi mabood hai aur zameen me b aur wo hakeem o aleem hai" (Surat: Zakhraf, Aayat:84)

"Yani wo tumhare sath hai khwah tum jahaan b ho aur jo kuch tum karte ho Khuda os se aagah hai" (Surah: Hadeed, Ayat: 4)

"Yani aankhen ose nahi daekhtin lekin wo ankhun ko daekhta hai...." (Surah: An'aam, Aayat: 104)

"Yani tum mjhe hargiz nahi daekh sakte.....(Musa A.S ne) arz ki k Khudaya tu to is se munazza hai k ankh se daekha ja sake......." (Surah: A'raaf, Ayat: 143)

In tamam aayat ki roshni me keh raha hun k Khuda Jism nahi rakhta.. Beshak aql e insani os zaat tak nahi pohnch sakti, lekin me apni aql e aajiz o naqis ki baat nahi, Quran ki aayat paesh kar raha hun
Soora noor para no. 18... kindly pehla aik rukoo ghor say parhiay aur us main say jo ap ko samajh ay samajh lijiay.... asal masla ye hay k hamary minds main khuda ka exact tasavvur ban'na possible nahi hay...jo ap kehtay hain ye drust ho bhi sakta hay nahi bhi.... hum eeman sirf us pr rakh saktay hain jo bat quraan ya ahadeeth main mention hay...... choti c misal hay.. hum daily life main hr cheez ko 3 dimensionally observ kartay hain hamara mind 4th dimension ka tasavvur hi nahi kar sakta... because our minds have limitations!
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Soora noor para no. 18... kindly pehla aik rukoo ghor say parhiay aur us main say jo ap ko samajh ay samajh lijiay.......jo ap kehtay hain ye drust ho bhi sakta hay nahi bhi....
Surat Noor to me perh lunga aur jald hi os ki "personal vazahat" k sath hazir hunga..
aur rahi baat mere kehne k durust hone ki to janab me galat ho sakta hun magar Quraan ki jo aayaat me ne paesh ki hain vo galat kbhi nae ho saktin..
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Islami taleemat kehti hai k farishtay Allah k takht ko uthay hoay hain(kon janay 'Takht" ks cheez ka istiara hai?)
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Pehli baat to ye hai k mere ilm me esa kch nahi k Islam ye kehta ho k Allah ka koi takht hai aur Farishte ose uthaye hve hote hain..
[Surah 7:54] Surely your Lord is Allah who has created the heavens and earth in six Days, then He dwells on the 'Throne.

[Qur'an 69:17] And the angels are in over-across the sky. And on that day eight angels uphold the 'Throne of thy Lord above (head of) them.

[Surah 40:7] (The angels) who bear the 'Throne'.

You can confirm these from the Holy Quran.

I would say again that I am not claiming here that these words are used in their literal sense; may be it is used literary. Words may be finite but their meanings can never be. When the meanings are infinite how can you stick to a peculiar one, merely for it having been presented by you?
Meanings are in no way finite; its here where the beauty of every kind of discourse lies whether it is our Holy scripture or verses of Ghalib.

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Khuda Quraan me farmata hai,
"yani wo aisi zaat hai jo aasman me bhi mabood hai aur zameen me b aur wo hakeem o aleem hai" (Surat: Zakhraf, Aayat:84)

"Yani wo tumhare sath hai khwah tum jahaan b ho aur jo kuch tum karte ho Khuda os se aagah hai" (Surah: Hadeed, Ayat: 4)

"Yani aankhen ose nahi daekhtin lekin wo ankhun ko daekhta hai...." (Surah: An'aam, Aayat: 104)

"Yani tum mjhe hargiz nahi daekh sakte.....(Musa A.S ne) arz ki k Khudaya tu to is se munazza hai k ankh se daekha ja sake......." (Surah: A'raaf, Ayat: 143)

In tamam aayat ki roshni me keh raha hun k Khuda Jism nahi rakhta.. Beshak aql e insani os zaat tak nahi pohnch sakti, lekin me apni aql e aajiz o naqis ki baat nahi, Quran ki aayat paesh kar raha hun
Quraani hawala jaat pe koi sawal uthana " cheh maani darad..." Her muslman in pe ankhen bnd kr k yaqeen krta hai. Lakin in ko smjhnay ka her ek ka andaaz mukhtalif ho skta hai.
Allah her jaga mojood hai is me koi shak nhe. Me ni ye nhe kaha k khuda ka maadi wajood hai.
Khuda ka maadi wajood hai? I did not say.
Khuda ka madi wajood nhe ? I did not say.

This is the simplest elaboration of what I said in my posts.

Ap khuda k tasawwur ko sirf in do khano me taqseem q krtay hain. Wo be misl hai. Jaamid aur mujarrid k ksi ek tasawwur pe tayyaqun kr k beth jaana us k tasawur ko mehdood krnay k mutraadif hai.

Khuda k tassawur per hmen sirf isharay miltay hain. Aur yahe rimziyat he hai jo us k baaray me hamary takhayyul ki khobsoorti brhaatay hain.

Agar hum us k wajood ko jaan lain to emaan kesa? agar dekh lain to deedar ka intazar kesa?

Jahaan tak Ghalib k sher ki baat hai to me yahe kahon gi k "alfaaz gunjeena e maani k talism ki hesiat rkhtay hain." Agar ifkaar o ashaar ko ksi ek tashreeh ya tojeeh me muqayyad krna shart hota her dosra taalib ilm urdu me fail hota.
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Quraani hawala jaat pe koi sawal uthana " cheh maani darad..." Her muslman in pe ankhen bnd kr k yaqeen krta hai. Lakin in ko smjhnay ka her ek ka andaaz mukhtalif ho skta hai.
Allah her jaga mojood hai is me koi shak nhe. Me ni ye nhe kaha k khuda ka maadi wajood hai.
Khuda ka maadi wajood hai? I did not say.
Khuda ka madi wajood nhe ? I did not say.

This is the simplest elaboration of what I said in my posts.

Ap khuda k tasawwur ko sirf in do khano me taqseem q krtay hain. Wo be misl hai. Jaamid aur mujarrid k ksi ek tasawwur pe tayyaqun kr k beth jaana us k tasawur ko mehdood krnay k mutraadif hai.

Khuda k tassawur per hmen sirf isharay miltay hain. Aur yahe rimziyat he hai jo us k baaray me hamary takhayyul ki khobsoorti brhaatay hain.

Agar hum us k wajood ko jaan lain to emaan kesa? agar dekh lain to deedar ka intazar kesa?

Jahaan tak Ghalib k sher ki baat hai to me yahe kahon gi k "alfaaz gunjeena e maani k talism ki hesiat rkhtay hain." Agar ifkaar o ashaar ko ksi ek tashreeh ya tojeeh me muqayyad krna shart hota her dosra taalib ilm urdu me fail hota.
I wanted to tell u the same thing both about Galib and Allah Almighty.. But one thing I can say surely that God doesn't have any material existence which can be said from the instance of Hazrat Musa when he demanded God in Koh e Toor that I want to see u and God said that u can't..

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Meray khayal main ye zameen aasmaan ka farq sirf itna hay
wahid: aik / akela
wahdahoo: wo aik / akela hay
sirf ism zameer ka seegha istamal hojany say zameen aasman ka farq....?
Wahid ka matlab he 1 and Wahdahu ka matlab he, "Wo akela hai". Wahdahu Arabic me aik Fiqra(phrase) hai aur ye Wahid se nahi nikla balki Ahad se nikla hai.. he na zameen aasmaan ka farq..
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I wanted to tell u the same thing both about Galib and Allah Almighty.. But one thing I can say surely that God doesn't have any material existence which can be said from the instance of Hazrat Musa when he demanded God in Koh e Toor that I want to see u and God said that u can't..
Hazrat Moosa(A.S) was told so , not because Allah didn't have any material existence BUT because his "Jalwa" couldn't be borne by human eyes.
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