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Originally Posted by IslamabadKid View Post
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Let me assume that you are unaware of the notion "healthy debate"...
...Oh, stop portraying yourself as Mr. know-it-all and labelling others as the ignorant,.
... "your maturity"...
...I have highlighted your self-made remark. Therefore, I have decided not to bother the above-mentioned incidents, just for the sake of your "maturity", which clearly is unique in your frame of reference.
...The way you present your thoughts is like my uncle's mother-in-law's uncle's son's son's daughter's cat died because of suffocation
..yet again, you are placing nonsense on top of another nonsense to come up with a nonsense, which can easily compel others to bang their heads right in the wall.
Isb-Kid, you are really kidding here right, see what ever you put here from your highly mature mind and very intelligent analysis ( as per your thoughts ).
Really nonsense and childish way of debate from your side. Are you the only mature in this forum that in every line you start, dub others' views and ideas ?

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The first perspective says that using what resources they get all of the information? If they already know that something "will" happen, and "that" particular group will make it happen, then why did not they take precautionary measures by highlighting the whole "raid" to Army, which then was, and is, already busy making the Operation Zarb-e-Azb successful by exterminating all the root elements behind terrorism?
Mr.Kid, don't know why but our over intelligent people are getting stuck in third class views based on very simple common sense ! Means if our intelligence agencies are aware that something will happen, then they know in general sense that x, y & z are planning to attack somewhere having this & that plan ? You know nothing how they operate.
Remove this concept from your Einsteinious mind, i will put a dimension for this either you assume it or not:
Intelligence agencies forewarn as they warned but the way they do so has not been based on precise information that where, when, how and who will conduct the attack. For Example see how did they warned about APS Pishawer attack:


"carry out terrorist activities against APS/ collages or other educational institutes being run by Pakistan Army (particularly located in KPK )
Intelligence agencies try hard to ascertain their (terrorists') plans and strategies whenever they get enough information like particular date,place & doers then they don't even mention it with our other law enforcement institutes ( making it all secret so that they could halt it by their own hands ).
But the reason they warn others like govt. etc, comes when they could not gain enough info about the attack. Like in the above letter they have clearly mentioned that "APS or other institutes run by Army in 'KPK'". So tell me that is the information above enough for Intelligence agencies to carry out any counter-attack ? And they informed about the likelihood of attack so that our other so-called law enforcement factors could also participate to halt those brutal attacks. Our intelligence agents can't stand outside the Schools/Collages & other institutes like Security guards to prevent these attacks, as they have many other things to do. We people should also expect other institutes doing their duties properly like Police etc.

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...we could have saved our hundreds of bright stars of our future...
What a nice emotional remarks !
Directly putting sentimental views can't get your argument to the logical sense.

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...whether it was APSAC(all over the country), AFIC hospital, POF Wah Cantt, GHQ Rawalpindi, or NUST Islamabad etc. If that general notification is what you are alluding, then it clearly shows the incompetence of intelligence agencies in that regard. How? They were not even able to identify where and when a horrendous attack would happen.
Hmmm, when asked like this i have often some questions to ask that:
What is your definition of an agency's being successful in a country like Pakistan ? and what is the other side ? means are you sure that your above mentioned attacks succeeded by terrorists, were the total attacks they had planned ? means if you never knew that how many similar and even bigger attacks may have been countered by our agencies, would it fair or justifiable to term them unsuccessful ? I will not further spend on this, hope you got it.

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As far as BBC is concerned, I do not care what they say..
Who cares for your own views ?

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..I really want to map-out the original scenario..
Original Scenario, let me get it like you. Where from you got the certificate of getting everything originally ? or Perhaps your every view outs latter before getting divine stamp of originality. Don't mind but you have just valued your own interpretations.

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..few" cherry-picked distorted facts from internet. Try to understand the root cause before even talking about "talking".[/B]
Isb-Kid, how can one get to the root cause without knowing things differently ? either from internet or books or journals. Indeed internet is the best and cheapest access to good books, journals, articles etc. and nothing is wrong if we even directly copy and paste anything from other website to support our argument. Because despite this how can we gain the correct angles of the issues from smart minds like you.
But still if i am wrong to say so then kindly correct me ! if there is any other source to gain the sense of understanding the issues by their root causes.

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Baluchistan comprises of few princely states... ...militants as well.
You can express your point in a nutshell despite putting the detailed history of Balochistan.

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Also keep in mind their(Baluchistan's) culture. Our ways to protest against anything are road blockage, rallies, and in extreme cases burning tires in the middle of the roads. Their way to protest is not tantamount to ours. Their way to protest is to pick up the guns and resolve issues using force. It is the cultural and historical fact, which cannot be denied
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Your every other argument in a way or other can be assumed but this concept looks entirely immature and foolish.
Or you may have been trying to elaborate it by other terms and mistakenly used word "Culture". If this is so then point it out again.

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The vital part whether or not intelligence agencies are saints is yet to come
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Don't late to draw it bared.

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If you want the recent past scenario, I am going to reiterate it in two words:"Missing persons."
Correct but how you keep contradictions ? When some anti-state groups attack on you, you call them terrorists, militants etc but when state runs its counter attacks on them, though unconventionally, you come to call them 'missing persons' but not 'missing militants' ?
Secondly, although our agencies are conducting such like operations in Balochistan but it doesn't mean that all the people captured & missed are merely taken by our own agencies. Definitely there are many other across border agencies doing their best to separate Pakistan so how can they miss such a crucial and feasible chance ?.

Conclusion: Often many surveys has concluded that ISI is best spy agency of the world. But how can such things be possible despite these all attacks ?
Because no other country in the world has situations similar to that of Pakistan. Like either a country has political issues or religious or the other. But In Pakistan all the evils exist at once. We have the worst kind of sectarianism, we are having political issues at brutal levels, almost 60% of our population is discontent with our country's system like more are separatists and some are at protest all the time, we have about hundreds of kilometers border without border guards/security due to lack of adequate number of army making our country open to across border enemies, we have most corrupt and inefficient Police in the world which is the major cause behind the all prevailing unrest in our country, Geographically we have a highly clashed neighboring country named Afghanistan, facing its impact in our country is one of the problems on their own axis.
And many many many more things. Now if all these things put in one and all the charges of these put upon a single spy agency becomes one of the most difficult tasks in the world...
No doubt we still need to do more to curb all the aspects of terrorism. But Beware! still you are living in an independent state. .
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