[QUOTE=suman;331869]At first we are not talking about any particular ethinic group but about a political party (MQM).i think it is right of every citizen to criticize the wrong acts of parties.when we can criticize PPP why not MQM???

you should not say that whatever we are saying it is because we feel entertained by innocent killings in karachi.:angry: Karachi is our city and we are as much worried about peace in the city as anyone else thats why we are talking about it.

Do you really feel that this step is for restoring peace in karachi:unsure: since when politicians have began to work for the welfare and safety of masses:waiting

we don't believe MQM as true representative of peace-loving people of karachi.

and we are already above any bias against any community. i think our criticism of any political party should not be taken against any community.

and yes we should not be affiliated with any party for national peace and prosperity so we are not:D[/QUOTE]



[SIZE="3"]I do not think that you without accomodating the other group's reservations, u can succeed in any dialogue. the first principle of any dialogue is this that you recognise the grioup at par with you and try to settle a dispute by some give and take. for the purpose of national peace, u have to recognize the others' strength and treat them equally so that a logical conclusion of dialogue may be reached at.

by ur temperament, it does not look that u acknowledge MQM as a political party. just be logical to what i am going to ask u now:
Do you think that a gang of traitors can control a 2 crore population of Karachi by means of force ??? moreover, how is this gang of traitors now penetrating into the internal parts of Sindh as it has already covered up many parts of hyderabad and sukkur. what kind of guns are they using to allure the traditionally embittered sindhi community?????????[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;331874]This is what we call 'blackmailing' to achieve political and personal gains..
There is another very good solution to solve this problem..Exterminate MQM and everyone associated with it..We need some tough decisions and a tough man like Naseer ullah Babur..army se koi kam karwana hi he te ye karwayein..we are bending down to the whims of a group proven to be a traitor..[/QUOTE]



[SIZE="3"]brother i regret to say and plz dont mind that if this is your approach, u cannot be a good administrator. the political problems cannot be resolved with such a temperament.

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B][COLOR="Blue"]how can u easily terminate a political party that has around 25 seats in the national assembly and around 50 in the provincial assembly of Sindh???? how logical does it sound to you brother???[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

By Zulfiqar Mirza's statement, the whole karachi came to streets and even most of the districts of internal sindh also registered the protests against Zulfiqar Mirza.

brother plz be logical. your so-called 'traitors' have 2 crore population of karachi in their hands and moreover, they are expanding deeper into internal parts of their traditionally embittered sindhi community.

Thank you.
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Do you think that a gang of traitors can control a 2 crore population of Karachi by means of force ??? moreover, how is this gang of traitors now penetrating into the internal parts of Sindh as it has already covered up many parts of hyderabad and sukkur. what kind of guns are they using to allure the traditionally embittered sindhi community?????????[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

When you have support of some great powers you can control even 4 crore population.and by the way how you can say that MQM is the only representative party of people of Karachi??
Bro I think you know how transparent elections are held in Pakistan.those like me who have personal experience of these so-called fair election know better.
Sindhi people are allured to this party because of their own interests not national interests.you are talking about their penetration in many parts of Hyderabad and Sukkur.but the fact is that they have divided urban and rural Sindh.
They have separated Sindh from Karachi in such a way that people no longer feel it part of Sindh.i feel very suprized when someone say he has come from any interior Sindh city people of Karachi say ohhh so you have come fron Sindh! Is Karachi separate from rest of Sindh.why this is not the case with other provinces.
I think u should visit some parts of Hyderabad and Karachi which are under MQM hold and other sindhi areas you will find the difference.im not only against politics of MQM but also against PPP because it has failed to come up to the expectations of sindhi nation.
anyways it is very long and controversial topic.i end up here.

I back Suman and henve just add few more words that MQM has minor and self-decorating political visions and versiosn. It was 2006, when Mr. Altaf said of having a new province out of Sindh(Jinnah Pur), well it is said in Sindh came for one left any none!

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They have separated Sindh from Karachi in such a way that people no longer feel it part of Sindh.i feel very suprized when someone say he has come from any interior Sindh city people of Karachi say ohhh so you have come fron Sindh! Is Karachi separate from rest of Sindh.why this is not the case with other provinces.
I think u should visit some parts of Hyderabad and Karachi which are under MQM hold and other sindhi areas you will find the difference.im not only against politics of MQM but also against PPP because it has failed to come up to the expectations of sindhi nation.
anyways it is very long and controversial topic.i end up here.[/QUOTE]


[SIZE="3"]whatever the matter of MQM is, i would like to repeat that i want peace and stable law and order situation in karachi. whoever they are, lets accomodate peace and save innocent lives. i cannot see bloodbath. i m a neutral observer of pakistani politics. but [COLOR="DarkGreen"][COLOR="Blue"]i believe that MQM, PPP and ANP all must sit down and talk about how to stabilize the largest city.becoz when karachi suffers, it makes all pakistan to suffer. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [/SIZE]

[QUOTE]Bro I think you know how transparent elections are held in Pakistan.those like me who have personal experience of these so-called fair election know better.[/QUOTE]


[SIZE="3"]until u reform your electoral system, u hv to take some immediate steps to settle the things in the interest of the people of the country.[/SIZE]

All participants are talking sense but reality is somehow fairly different. PPP has already struck a deal with MQM that this system will completely be wind up any time in future but for face saving PPP will not disclose it for few months. Chaudhary Shujat has already played his role in reconciling the relations of MQM with Govt. through scrapping Magistracy System. With the support of establishment PPP, Q- League, MQM and Fazal Ur Rehman will contest the next election accommodating each other through seat adjustment Expect any thing from President saab under the cover of Reconciliation, Kal kee Qatil League Aaj ke jigree dost!!! The biggest “U turn” of the political history of the world.

Yeh magistracy nizam Khatam kerna to choti moti batein hain PPP walon ke liye. Sirf Asif saab ka phone ajaye CM Sindh ko phir dekhien yeh kis terha local govt. ko support kerna shru kerdein ge in the similar fashion they defended the alliance with Q league and everybody knows what Mohterma Benazir said about Chaudhary Pervaiz illahi. How PM

PPP has no principles but only wants to remain in power and whosoever helps them to consolidate their regime they will fulfill their desires no matter how weird they are. Zardari saab is liked by many so called politicians of PPP and prioritize him over Benazir because used to take stance on basis of principles but zardari saab only know how to remain in power

[QUOTE=fromQAU;331893][SIZE="3"]brother i regret to say and plz dont mind that if this is your approach, u cannot be a good administrator. the political problems cannot be resolved with such a temperament.

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B][COLOR="Blue"]how can u easily terminate a political party that has around 25 seats in the national assembly and around 50 in the provincial assembly of Sindh???? how logical does it sound to you brother???[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

By Zulfiqar Mirza's statement, the whole karachi came to streets and even most of the districts of internal sindh also registered the protests against Zulfiqar Mirza.

brother plz be logical. your so-called 'traitors' have 2 crore population of karachi in their hands and moreover, they are expanding deeper into internal parts of their traditionally embittered sindhi community.

Thank you.
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hah..opinion taken and rejected..u are nobody to judge what I cab be and what I cant..

[QUOTE=fromQAU;331893][SIZE="3"]brother i regret to say and plz dont mind that if this is your approach, u cannot be a good administrator. the political problems cannot be resolved with such a temperament.

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B][COLOR="Blue"]how can u easily terminate a political party that has around 25 seats in the national assembly and around 50 in the provincial assembly of Sindh???? how logical does it sound to you brother???[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

By Zulfiqar Mirza's statement, the whole karachi came to streets and even most of the districts of internal sindh also registered the protests against Zulfiqar Mirza.

brother plz be logical. your so-called 'traitors' have 2 crore population of karachi in their hands and moreover, they are expanding deeper into internal parts of their traditionally embittered sindhi community.

Thank you.
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And yes..good admministrators are those who do not beat about the bush and come straight to the job on hand..Law and order was restored in Karachi back in 94/95 when a tough administrator(Naseerullah Babar) combined with another very tough administrator(shoaib saddal) and did an operation cleanup in karachi..Before that operation,I remember,on an average 20+ people were being killed in karachi on daily basis..Bro,good administration asks for tough decisions,which have far reaching effects into the future..And somebody has to do the dirty work..
And please do not associate the general public of 2 crores with that political party..are al the people of karachi their members?are all of them shooters,robbers,goons etc.I said in a post that this small bunch of people has made a city of 2 crores hostage.
And these are not only my views.At least 14 crore people out of 17 crore in Pakistan would say the same..
And just tell me..Zulfiqar Mirza ne statement di..tw karachi walon ne ghussey me aa k apne muhajir bhaiyoon ki hi kyun 2 din mara??they are supposed to be MQM suppporters na as u said..Why were they killed??

[QUOTE=hamza_salick86;332025]tw karachi walon ne ghussey me aa k apne muhajir bhaiyoon ki hi kyun 2 din mara??they are supposed to be MQM suppporters na as u said..Why were they killed??[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="3"] brother i am a common man. i want peace in karachi and law and order back. i want to earn a livelihood for myself on daily basis and want to send kids to school.i want to go on duty and i want stability everywhere.until and unless administrators like you take a concerted action against the perpetrators, i feel insecure and cannot take a sigh of relief. let us live in peace and earn a living for ourselves.

and i am 100% sure that this is not 95/96. wake up to the new ground realities. we have many people like Naseerullah Babar, but they are all silent due to the altered ground realities. i repeat once again that i do not belong to any political party. i just want a stable karachi and advise u to make peace with the gang of murderers so that we may enjoy the fruits of that peace.

if u possess a view of a political analyst and are a good believer of constitutional and parliamentary political system, u must not ignore a political party that possesses a majority vote in karachi.otherwise you are living in a fool's paradise. you talked about terminating a political party.how can u easily terminate a political party that has around 25 seats in the national assembly and around 50 in the provincial assembly of Sindh???? how logical does it sound to you brother???
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