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I respect the spirit but 24/7 work neglecting comforts is an extreme, middle path is always recommended in every walk of life.

My point is about the pros and cons of PAS. Yes social recognition and authority is there. Social change can be brought to a limited extent since politics controls everything. But candidates should also know the numerous problems PAS Officers face if they want to go against the system.

To present reality is not to disappoint any1. Meagre salaries, remote area postings, need of political backing, even lack of facilities at many stations are the realities of PAS. U dont get a house at every station. Many dont get good postings. There is alot of pressure. U try to bring change and you get transferred the next day to another province. These facts should be known by candidates before they choose their priorities.
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Am amazed at how ppl want to join civil service but are not ready to make sacrifices for it.I am a pro_PAS guy and shall continue to prefer it over every other service any day of my life.True there are issues and i wont make an attempt to brush them under carpet nor do i intend to mislead any aspirant but my personal experience so far has been that of a service that has no comparison with any other service.There are issues no doubt but in comparison with what it offers i would always recommend it.But again it boils down to individual choices and aptitude for type of service.
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@ Shandenfrued

I respect your personal view SIR!!!!.
But to call PAS way better than other services is unfair to other services.

FSP is also better than PAS in many ways. U serve the Pakistani community abroad. FSP officers are the face of Pakistan and in today's scenario, they hold even more importance. So, they also perform av.v.imp task of defending Pakistan at diplomatic front.
Yes there are draw backs in FSP but it is more balanced than PAS as a service since its perks are unmatched. They get handsome salaries, their exposure is matchless as compared to any other service of csp cadre. They also serve in hard countries but they are paid accordingly unlike PAS. They spend alot of time studying, thus they are more polished and refined officers.

Every service should provide balance. On one hand if officer is performing his duties, he should be paid adequately for his family since welfare of family is also equally important.
To give sm1alot of powers and funds of millions while paying him 40,000 is itself a very irrational scheme of conducting public business.

I have asked this question several times but never got a satisfactory answer that except from social recognition and 40,000 salary, what does PAS offers to an officer for his financial security???
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I am patrolling officer in motorway police during training my salary is 47 plus but PAS and other groups have their own charm and prestige.
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I respect your personal view SIR!!!!.
But to call PAS way better than other services is unfair to other services.

FSP is also better than PAS in many ways. U serve the Pakistani community abroad. FSP officers are the face of Pakistan and in today's scenario, they hold even more importance. So, they also perform av.v.imp task of defending Pakistan at diplomatic front.
Yes there are draw backs in FSP but it is more balanced than PAS as a service since its perks are unmatched. They get handsome salaries, their exposure is matchless as compared to any other service of csp cadre. They also serve in hard countries but they are paid accordingly unlike PAS. They spend alot of time studying, thus they are more polished and refined officers.

Every service should provide balance. On one hand if officer is performing his duties, he should be paid adequately for his family since welfare of family is also equally important.
To give sm1alot of powers and funds of millions while paying him 40,000 is itself a very irrational scheme of conducting public business.

I have asked this question several times but never got a satisfactory answer that except from social recognition and 40,000 salary, what does PAS offers to an officer for his financial security???
The problem is you are comparing PAS vis a vis other services keeping in view its BPS17_18 postings.The dynamics of PAS as service are quite different than how you have protrayed.One thing you shall always hear abt PAS is its horizontal and vertical mobility.I wont dig into that because thats something everyone knows.Whats more important is that being a general cadre it provides you the canvas to hone your skills at a very young age,preparing you for higher management positions;an experience something that no other specialized cadre provides.About the financial issues;the problem is that you are only thinking about Bps 17 and 18 field postings.The dynamics of the service has changed its not just District management group now,its Pakistan Administrative service,offering you positions in projects,Autonomous bodies,public Companies.So always keep the bigger picture in perspective instead of narrowing it down and basing your arguments on positions that can be best called preparatory positions;where factors other than money matters more.About FSP its no doubt a good service but with its pros i can recount its so many cons that i would need another space to jot it down.
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After going through this thread i've suddenly lost my enthusiasm for css and i don't know why.. if only 10% get power and only the corrupt ones get money, why are we striving so hard to reach there?

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PAS / PSP are jobs for ppl with certain temperament e.g ppl who enjoy authority and fame . Not every1 can do PAS & PSP. In PAS, your job becomes yourlifestyle 24/7.

If one is very active and social or his first priority is service of people before his personal life/family etc then PAS is great.

One can get his desired goals through CSS
One gets an option of 12 occupational groups in CSS. Chose that group that suits your aptitude and that can help you achieve your life's objectives irrespective of its popularity or standing. E.g a philosopher type person should put police as his 12 preference since police wont suit him.
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@Shandenfrued

You are right Sir! These positive factors are there in DMG But Still FSP is way better than PAS as a service.
Salary, perks and level of exposure is matcless in FSP. Plus one has to study alot in FSP that enhances your intellectual abilities. One is not dependant upon favour of politicians rtc etc. And its way better to be posted in Brussels as compared to Bhakhar or Thar.
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After going through this thread i've suddenly lost my enthusiasm for css and i don't know why.. if only 10% get power and only the corrupt ones get money, why are we striving so hard to reach there?

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PAS / PSP are jobs for ppl with certain temperament e.g ppl who enjoy authority and fame . Not every1 can do PAS & PSP. In PAS, your job becomes yourlifestyle 24/7.

If one is very active and social or his first priority is service of people before his personal life/family etc then PAS is great.

One can get his desired goals through CSS
One gets an option of 12 occupational groups in CSS. Chose that group that suits your aptitude and that can help you achieve your life's objectives irrespective of its popularity or standing. E.g a philosopher type person should put police as his 12 preference since police wont suit him.
Agreed . Same is the case with every other Occupational Group.

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I respect the spirit but 24/7 work neglecting comforts is an extreme, middle path is always recommended in every walk of life.

My point is about the pros and cons of PAS. Yes social recognition and authority is there. Social change can be brought to a limited extent since politics controls everything. But candidates should also know the numerous problems PAS Officers face if they want to go against the system.

To present reality is not to disappoint any1. Meagre salaries, remote area postings, need of political backing, even lack of facilities at many stations are the realities of PAS. U dont get a house at every station. Many dont get good postings. There is alot of pressure. U try to bring change and you get transferred the next day to another province. These facts should be known by candidates before they choose their priorities.
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The problem is you are comparing PAS vis a vis other services keeping in view its BPS17_18 postings.The dynamics of PAS as service are quite different than how you have protrayed.One thing you shall always hear abt PAS is its horizontal and vertical mobility.I wont dig into that because thats something everyone knows.Whats more important is that being a general cadre it provides you the canvas to hone your skills at a very young age,preparing you for higher management positions;an experience something that no other specialized cadre provides.About the financial issues;the problem is that you are only thinking about Bps 17 and 18 field postings.The dynamics of the service has changed its not just District management group now,its Pakistan Administrative service,offering you positions in projects,Autonomous bodies,public Companies.So always keep the bigger picture in perspective instead of narrowing it down and basing your arguments on positions that can be best called preparatory positions;where factors other than money matters more.About FSP its no doubt a good service but with its pros i can recount its so many cons that i would need another space to jot it down.
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You are right Sir! These positive factors are there in DMG But Still FSP is way better than PAS as a service.
Salary, perks and level of exposure is matcless in FSP. Plus one has to study alot in FSP that enhances your intellectual abilities. One is not dependant upon favour of politicians rtc etc. And its way better to be posted in Brussels as compared to Bhakhar or Thar.
I have gone through the posts on this thread, which was about salary of an Assistant Commissioner. Staying relevant to the thread, the gross salary is nowadays around 50,000 while net/cash salary should be around 44-45k.

Now coming down to this FSP, PAS and PSP thing, I believe every service has its own pros and cons. Blank comparisons between any of the Occupational Groups, without setting any parameters is just like comparing apple with oranges, mangoes and bananas.

No service can be categorized good or bad; its a matter of compatibility. A person's aptitude and attitude may, or may not be compatible with one service...
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@ Amin Shah.

Totally agreed. Each service requires certain aptitude. People from urban background misfit in DMG while people of rural background misfit in FSP.

As far as civil service is concerned, FSP has no comparison. It is different from rest of the occupational groups of CSS.

IT IS THE ONLY ROYAL SERVICE. Pay is around 3 lacs, free housing (2500$) and free medical and education of kids (2000$) overall makes a package of almost 7 lacs per month. Plus you travel around the world in 7 star hotels.

It is the only group of CSS where you enjoy pays higher than private sector. Even corporate sectors cant provide such luxuries to their senior employees which a 3rd secretary gets.
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