[B]Moderators are requested to delete the discussions as they are irrelevent to the topic concerned.[/B]

Guys! Don't get personal.. :huh:

PA&AS is not a part of APUG.

Moreover, Chief secretary Sindh Mr.Fazl-ur-Rehman was appointed not becasue of being from PA&AS but due to his political links.

please stop fighting
 

FarAqeelat! Plz bro..wat r u upto? Mr. Baloch, Rizwan and all of us have worked hard to get into Civil services and I can bet we all want our country to prosper...No doubt there would be .01 % beaurocrats who are 100% non-corrupt- but still, the other corrupt ones are the ones who are making wheel of this country move. Since its creation Pakistan's machinery has been run by beaurcrats other wise politicians to Pakistan ko baich detay!! at such hard times that our country is facing we all need to respect each other, be it pakistani's abroad or CSPs' or anyone , I do respect your feelings but brother-plz dont be personal and disgraceful to my fellow CSP, u should understand that you are not disgracing Mr. Balouch but all the CSPs of Pakistan!!!

some clarifications....
 

[QUOTE=Zohaib Baloch;236673]Gilani promotes 29 officers to grade 22

The officers who have been promoted from the Secretariat Group include Ahmed Mahmood Zahid, Batool Iqbal Qureshi, Abdul Wajid Rana, Ghulam Dastgir Akhtar, Sohail Ahmed, Muhammad Sami Saeed, Akhlaq Ahmad Tarar, Attaullah Khan, Javed Aslam, Kazi Afaq Hussain, Muhammad Arif Azim, Imtiaz Inayat Elahi, Javed Mahmood, Anwar Ahmad Khan, Ghulam Ali Shah, Ahmed Bakhsh Lehri, Nargis Sethi, Amjad Ali Khan, Mohammad Ejaz Chaudhry, Khalid M Naeem and Agha Sarwar Raza Qazilbash. staff report

[B]Now the majority of officers mentioned in SG are from DMG but later on joined SG.[/B]

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[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]@Zohaib Baloch,[/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B]Not all officers that you quoted above were from DMG. Nearly half of them were from Secretariat group i.e. OMG. Since Secretariat group(OMG) was stopped, hence in the recent past the vacuum was filled up by DMGians. But to say that all top senior officers that were promoted were from DMG is absolutely wrong. You May see their profiles for verifications..:)
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[COLOR="SeaGreen"][B]I agree to your the point that only PSP, DMG and OMG constitute APUG. Their promotions are determined by ED...;)[/B][/COLOR].

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B]All groups are the part of Civil Bureaucracy.And, It is an honor to be the part of it. For now one may be attracted to the provisions of CAR, accommodation etc. But the real charm of authority will be enjoyed later..
[COLOR="SeaGreen"][B]Many misconceptions will be removed soon. [COLOR="Black"]see you all in The CSA.[/COLOR]

.And Thank you Nauman bhayee for informing us. You have always been a great help in clarifying the matters.:clap:clap
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[COLOR="Black"][B] Regards....[/B][/COLOR]


[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][SIZE="4"][B]Yours Truly........[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]


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The debate went from APUG to irrelevent and un important issues.The purpose here was to present true and realistic composition of APUG not to compare different groups and services because this is something tricky and because every arm is unique.Nevertheless I thank Sir Nauman and Rizvan. @Spiderman.SG is different and true its too early.

Just for information
 

Promotions upto grade 19 are dealt with and finalized by the parent department of each occupational group.

PSP, OMG & DMG by Estab. Div.
Customs & IT by FBR
PA&AS by Dept of Auditor General
Info Grp by min of info
C&T by min of commerce etc

Promotions to 20,21 and 22 of all occupational groups' officers are dealt with by Estab Div.

In grade 21 seats in the secretariat, 70% seats are reserved for APUG and 30% seats are given to other groups.

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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B]Thank you sir for sharing this valuable information. So we take it for granted that APUG is composed of 3 groups: PSP ,DMG,OMG. If it is not so , correct me..
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[COLOR="SeaGreen"][B] Generally it is held that before one gets into 18 scale ,minimum 5 years service in 17 scale is sine qua non (condition) . But some friends say in so and so group after 8 years period, one can gets into 19 scale.[/B][/COLOR][COLOR="Black"][B]A question arises here[/B][/COLOR]:

[COLOR="SeaGreen"][B][COLOR="RoyalBlue"][B]Can a CSP of particular group be promoted to 18 scale before completing the 5 years period of 17 scale? [COLOR="SeaGreen"][B]I am not talking about acting charge of 18 scale.[/B][/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

Sorry for overstepping Sir Nauman.I cannot have and do not have his acumen in service matters.But being a avid student of administration and ESTACODE.it is explicity written that minimum service in grade 17 should be 5 years inclusive of training and this does not means automatic promotion.Promotion to next grade is subject to the availability of vacancy and completion of ACRs (now PERs) and the completion of mandatory service.Furthermore a notification was also issued regarding the temporary charge.Let me elaborate.A person in 18 holding a charge of 19 cannot claim that for promotion in 20 after certain years his or her temporary service in 19 during 18 be considered.

5 years service is necessary for promotion to grade 18. Howver, in FMG, PSP, Accounts etc., acting charge promotion is made to grade 18 without completion of 5 years of service, subject to vacant posts.

On completion of 5 years, the promotion is automatically regularized. Sinilary, acting charge promotion can be made to grade 19 too, and is made for FSP, DMG, PSP , PA&AS etc.

Simply, regular promotion cannot be made before stipulated time.