psp vacancies???
 

salam... plz can anybody tell me that what are the average number of vacancies for psp every year and how many are for province punjab????plz also tell me the number of seats for province punjab since last years..............

[QUOTE=Saddam Bhatti;350642]salam... plz can anybody tell me that what are the average number of vacancies for psp every year and how many are for province punjab????plz also tell me the number of seats for province punjab since last years..............[/QUOTE]

15-20 in Pakistan..7-8 for Punjab

thanx bhai jaan plz also tell me that how many marks should be obtained in order to join the psp??i also heard that among all the groups only psp requires high merit?is it also true?

Yes its true. Since most of the toppers choose PSP as their 1st preference that is why the merit of PSP becomes higher. You need to be at least in 1st 25 to ensure your chances for allocation in PSP. Still its never sure unless you fall into positions less than the vacancies announced

Salam to all my brother
Can any body tell me That for psp pots when it advertise for cssexam2012

[QUOTE=sajidkamal;373775]Salam to all my brother
Can any body tell me That for psp pots when it advertise for cssexam2012[/QUOTE]

Induction to PSP and other departments is done through CSS exam. Advertisement for CSS-2012 will be published in newspapers in 1st week of December.

Advertisement of CSS 2012 published!!!
 

Applications for CSS 2012 have to be submitted till 31st Dec 2011. Age will be counted till 31st Dec 2011.
Regards

[QUOTE=Saddam Bhatti;350642]salam... plz can anybody tell me that what are the average number of vacancies for psp every year and how many are for province punjab????plz also tell me the number of seats for province punjab since last years..............[/QUOTE]

CAN some1 please answer how many seats Of PSP for KP, Baluchistan AND sINDH .. ?aRE THEY evenly distributed ?And how would 1 know that?

PSP seats for KPK
 

These seats are not fixed. It depends on the requisition of the Establishment Division every year. It may be varied year by year. KPK has its quota (11.5%) and given accordingly seats. Last year in 2010, there was only seat of PSP.
Regards

Correction:PSP is by NO means the top preference group in te CSS anymore.Things have reverted to old,i.e DMG has again taken the top notch.

Every person seems to marketing his/her own group rather than telling pro and contra of group. Moreover commissioner system has nt been restored in Punjab yet ,so how DMG has been reverted???
If you ask from PSP / FSP / Customs guys they also exaggerate things.
Which one is Top preferred group varies from person to person and keep changing from year to year. Even sometimes top position dont go for DMG/PSP rather they prefer FSP/Custom.

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;376671]Every person seems to marketing his/her own group rather than telling pro and contra of group. Moreover commissioner system has nt been restored in Punjab yet ,so how DMG has been reverted???
If you ask from PSP / FSP / Customs guys they also exaggerate things.
Which one is Top preferred group varies from person to person and keep changing from year to year. Even sometimes top position dont go for DMG/PSP rather they prefer FSP/Custom.[/QUOTE]

Fully agreed

Correction....
 

@ asif_ijaz78
@ Mr.Hashmi

As far as Punjab is concerned, DMG was the first preference of almost all the candidates. Go for the group of your choice, but don't make irresponsible and naive statements here.
As far as your query about the commissioner system is concerned, a half-backed commissioner system is in vogue in Punjab which is hardly different from the one in Sindh.

[QUOTE=DEVOLUTION GEEK;376822]@ asif_ijaz78
@ Mr.Hashmi

As far as Punjab is concerned, DMG was the first preference of almost all the candidates. Go for the group of your choice, but don't make irresponsible and naive statements here.
As far as your query about the commissioner system is concerned, a half-backed commissioner system is in vogue in Punjab which is hardly different from the one in Sindh.[/QUOTE]

U mean to say all the toppers had been allocated to Psp group against their first preference in previous years, which was DMG according to u. What a joke sir

[QUOTE=Mr hashmi;376945]U mean to say all the toppers had been allocated to Psp group against their first preference in previous years, which was DMG according to u. What a joke sir[/QUOTE]

Dear! You are misquoting me. I never wrote that all the candidates chose DMG as their first preference. I said that "almost all" not "all" candidates went for DMG. Read my post again. Yes, a few candidates opted for PSP or FSP as their first choice, but this doesn't change the overall preference criteria.

[QUOTE=DEVOLUTION GEEK;377127]Dear! You are misquoting me. I never wrote that all the candidates chose DMG as their first preference. I said that "almost all" not "all" candidates went for DMG. Read my post again. Yes, a few candidates opted for PSP or FSP as their first choice, but this doesn't change the overall preference criteria.[/QUOTE]

Dear have a look at allocations of 2009/08/07/ and so on , PSP was preferred over DMG.Its in 2010 trend went to DMG

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;377156]Dear have a look at allocations of 2009/08/07/ and so on , PSP was preferred over DMG.Its in 2010 trend went to DMG[/QUOTE]
I have been reading comments on this forum quietly for the last few months, finally today i have joined the forum because the confusions being promoted on this forum got too much as far as I think.

I am surprised to see you guys discussing on such small things, most of you have not even spent a single day in the field and making such big statements as if no one around knows better than you.

Being a senior by several years, let me make one thing very clear that things are not the way these appear on their face. Most of the members on this forum have been discussing and sometimes even making really rude statements. Dear all PSP and DMG both are really good groups, you cant compare these groups coz nature of job in both cases is totally different. It would be really unfair to compare these 2 groups, rather they cant be even compared. Remember one thing when groups are opted in CSS exam, ofcourse candidates do not know about the ground realities of PSP or DMG, for me the true decision can be made by discussing the matter with almost 10 officers (5 from DMG & 5 from PSP), these 10 officers must have a job experience of around 10 years. I think then you will be able to make a right choice according to your aptitude. I opted for PSP on its face value;, gun men, uniform,cars and salutes all that attracted me...but believe me "all that glitters is not gold" so please stop making irresponsible statements against any group, no doubt DMG/PSP are the top groups but which group ended where in which year doesnt let down or promotes the other group. I can write 100 pages on the pros n cons of both groups n hopefully from time to time i'll keep on writing something about these 2 groups, so that prospective CSS qualifiers can make a right choice.

Moreover I am really curious to know about the Occupational Group of our honorable member [B]"Mr Hashmi"[/B] e.g PSP,PCS,PMS or what? I have been reading his comments, would like to know the experience and knowledge of his

Sir Nadeem
You r really angel in Psp group, I would dare say, I have not seen good natured, humble n God fearing officer like you in whole of the police force.

Sir I have honour of being your subordinate.

[QUOTE=Mr hashmi;377300]Sir Nadeem
You r really angel in Psp group, I would dare say, I have not seen good natured, humble n God fearing officer like you in whole of the police force.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the compliments, where did you come across me? I am sorry I cant recall if we have ever met.

[QUOTE=nadem;377313]Thank you for the compliments, where did you come across me? I am sorry I cant recall if we have ever met.[/QUOTE]

Sir you remained our Cpo n sector commander in pmp.

Aslam Alaikum. I am one of the aspirants of css. I don't know about the particular age criteria of css. In this context, can anybody help me out? so that I can know my due attempts. my d.o.b is 07-07-1987.
Regards !

[QUOTE=Muhammad Ali Mahar;377337]Aslam Alaikum. I am one of the aspirants of css. I don't know about the particular age criteria of css. In this context, can anybody help me out? so that I can know my due attempts. my d.o.b is 07-07-1987.
Regards ![/QUOTE]
This is not a proper thread to ask this question, any way u may avail all three attempts as the upper age limit for CSS is 28 years.

group selection
 

Despite of what sir Nadeem said, while being in "youth" i would opt for PSP it attracts as you quoted. despite of the fact that i agree with sir Nadeem that PSP is a life style not life, in a way:) P.s feels good to see NH&MP around:vic

[QUOTE=nadem;377291]I have been reading comments on this forum quietly for the last few months, finally today i have joined the forum because the confusions being promoted on this forum got too much as far as I think.

I am surprised to see you guys discussing on such small things, most of you have not even spent a single day in the field and making such big statements as if no one around knows better than you.

Being a senior by several years, let me make one thing very clear that things are not the way these appear on their face. Most of the members on this forum have been discussing and sometimes even making really rude statements. Dear all PSP and DMG both are really good groups, you cant compare these groups coz nature of job in both cases is totally different. It would be really unfair to compare these 2 groups, rather they cant be even compared. Remember one thing when groups are opted in CSS exam, ofcourse candidates do not know about the ground realities of PSP or DMG, for me the true decision can be made by discussing the matter with almost 10 officers (5 from DMG & 5 from PSP), these 10 officers must have a job experience of around 10 years. I think then you will be able to make a right choice ac aptitude. I opted for PSP on its face value;, gun men, uniform,cars and salutes all that attracted me...but believe me "all that glitters is not gold" so please stop making irresponsible statements against any group, no doubt DMG/PSP are the top groups but which group ended where in which year doesnt let down or promotes the other group. I can write 100 pages on the pros n cons of both groups n hopefully from time to time i'll keep on writing something about these 2 groups, so that prospective CSS qualifiers can make a right choice.[/QUOTE]

Dear Brother do share your experience. Do u regret ur decision to join PSP ?? if yes , why

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;377580]Dear Brother do share your experience. Do u regret ur decision to join PSP ?? if yes , why[/QUOTE]
Dear it is not that i have any regrets but the point is, I was not a natural PSP, here I have seen people speak too high about PSP, well no doubt it is a great group, there are a lot of benefits but remember, it is the only the ASP designation where you get your posting without sifarish, the higher you go the more difficult it is to get a reasonable posting in PSP. There is too much stress on you regarding the things which are beyond your control. For example in a city of Punjab a girl was kidnapped a year ago; the SP (Investigation) of that district is facing too much pressure from the court that "produce that girl within next 48 hours or give us in written that you were incompetent for Police" What is this? It is not all i can quote thousands of examples to support my this argument. Infact Mr Hashmi would be knowing that I myself became a victim of one of such incidents. Look gunmen, salutes do atrract but after 5 years of service one gets fed up of all this...one needs peace of mind, one wants to spend some time with his family, one wants to do something what he likes or dislikes to do, One wants to go on deputations on postings where one can have alot of "halal" salary. One more thing nature of job from ASP to IG remains almost the same, no increase in importance of agenda. One never gets an opportunity to enhance his market value based education. PSP would go on scholarships in LLM (Crime) and Criminology; whereas DMG officer would go for MS Economics, MPA, MS in Public Policy, MS in Public Finance that too from Harvard, Stanford, Berkely,MIT and NUS...you name it DMG gets scholarship for that....There comes time during service when decides to quit everything and get settled with his family somewhere abroad....what a PSP would do? will he be given a job of a security manager or what??? what about a DMG officer? I know people around me who were DMG officers and almost all of them are well placed....why you guys are thinking so limitedly? World doesnt end with uniform,salutes,blue light etc....what about personality development? Market value enhancement? Career growth? Horizantal movement? If you guys do not know, let me tell you that in 31st CTP the then topper was allocated to PSP, during his CTP he mutually swapped his group and he switched to DMG, nw this particular officer has been Commercial Secretary in Canada for the last 3 years and the guy with whom he swaped his group is SP posted in Faisalabad. I am talking about realities NOT emotional stuff....I would invite particular questions from your side, so that those could be answered by me accordingly

@Nadeem Hussain
 

really very thankful to u. I appeared in written exams 2011 and wrote PSP my first preference. If I clear written part, i wud have some rational questions to ask. Would it be possible for you to share your contact/e-mail in your profile?
Thanks in anticpation.

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;377741]really very thankful to u. I appeared in written exams 2011 and wrote PSP my first preference. If I clear written part, i wud have some rational questions to ask. Would it be possible for you to share your contact/e-mail in your profile?
Thanks in anticpation.[/QUOTE]
You are more than welcomed to ask any question you like and I think it would be beneficial for others too that if we discuss that here on forum so that others could also get benefitted

With the kind permission of sir Nadeem, I would like to share with respectable members that sir Nadeem was victimised in recent past in Anjum Aqeel ( MNA of pml n) case when he escaped from police station in Islamabad.

@ Mr Hashmi
 

Well...I dint want to share the exact incident, bt you narated everything openly....

Actually the story doesnt end here...bt i think it wouldnt b feasible to discuss the matter of here...coz am still in service...:) bt u guys would b surprised to knw that couple of junior DMG officers came to my rescue and they did all what could have been done...therefore i realised that who is well placed at the end of the day...I? being a PSP or my DMG juniors? therefore am saying repeatedly that things are very different on.ground....

[QUOTE=nadem;377760]Well...I dint want to share the exact incident, bt you narated everything openly....[/QUOTE]

I m really sorry sir but it really pathetic n painful that often police officers r victimised for nothing. As Dpo Sialkot was jailed in lynching case of two brothers, the circumstances there were totally beyond his control. Sometime officers fall pray to media trial n sometimes government need a scapegoat.

Mr Hashmi
 

This is exactly what i meant...Nothing has been prived aganst Rana Mansoor,PSP (my batch mate) bt he is still not given any posting and still facing investigation in NAB...why??? It is not the matter of few incidents...ofcourse some incidents have occured regarding DMG officers too bt how many? n i have strong believe that DMG oficers have the final laugh...they are well connected, well equipped, support each other like a group and i think this is positive point...Even PSP province allocations, postings, promotions are in the hands of DMG officers...when any PSP officer wants to b posted in Punjab or any privince, Secretary Services of that province sends requisition to Estab Div...both of these departments are managed by DMG officers....I did not like people over here letting DMG down and making big claims regarding PSP...plz keep in mind in most of the issues PSP totally dependant on DMG colleagues...both groups must have cordial relations...both groups are interlinked...both are v important...both enjoy a lot of power...I really wana discuss more but this is a public forum so have to keep a lot of things undisclosed

@Nadeem Hussain
 

ohh, sad to know this. Sir, dont loose hope. Inshallah u ll get due reward for ur honesty and hardwork. Its natural if u r being victimised in any profession u ll start thinking perhaps this wasnt right choice.

Well now I have some points to argue wid u.

1 ) its only the ASP where u get posting on merit. Same is true for DMG also ?? dont u agree ??. well known DC of any district ll be posted as OSD if "Sarkar" is nt happy wid him. I can give u one example when Zulfiqar Mirza was Interior minister of Sindh he abused DMG officer on his visit to hyderabad bcz toilets were nt clean and Mirza sahib thought, its a conspiracy against President of Pakistan (perhaps he was due to visit the area) here is the link from youtube.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW4w62qBYRo]SHER -E- SINDH DR ZULFIQAR MIRZA TO BERATE TERRORIST DCO HYDERABAD - YouTube[/url]

Another time body guard of Gujranwala's commissioner (Wahla sahib) beated AC Narowal bcz our Kadhim e Punjab was on visit and again there were nt proper arrangements of cleanlinesss to show him . If i wud be at the place of these DMG officers i wud have thought "lanat ha asi zindagi par "" after all i didnt join DMG to become an educated cleaner.

2 ) u stated tat DMG get scholarships for higher studies they have more possibilities to get market orientated education but look Sir! PSP have also possibilities to LLM ( crime , forensic, even public policy, traffic management etc) one of ur junior from 2005 is doing Master in public policy from USA and he is from PSP. So PSP people can also be accomodated in other departments after retirement if they have been little bit active in their career.

3 ) I have many relatives and some close friends working in Europe and USA. Sir "door ke dhool suhany hoty han". Only plus point is tat they r earning better than us but are also not satisfied wid their lives , some are worried abt their children in western culture, some have home sickness. One of my close friend is an engineer in europe and earning almost (3.5-4 lakh) but u ll surprise to know, he wants to join PSP. Even he says i am ready to join DMG/ Custom/ Income tax but not FSP. for him to work in Pakistan and live wid parents is much impt than to earn 4 lakh monthly.

4 ) in Last I personally see PSP as a noble profession bcz u have direct contact wid the local people. U ll be the first to deliver the justice to poeple. U know better how much people are dissatisfied with govt. services especially Police. I m a teacher of Physics but i think i can sleep better at night if i wud have helped a poor father to find his kidnapped son. I ll feel more satisfied if i can contribute my part in eliminating crime from society.
Last but not Least u get respect and honour from society. U have legal power which makes u proud. No "badmash" or "politcial Gunda" can disturb u or ur family.
In my next post i ll ask some questions abt perks and priviliges in PSP and DMG. I hope u ll nt mind it. If in the above lines u feel anything rude or too straight forward i m sorry but i tried to convery my point of view.

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;377792]ohh, sad to know this. Sir, dont loose hope. Inshallah u ll get due reward for ur honesty and hardwork. Its natural if u r being victimised in any profession u ll start thinking perhaps this wasnt right choice.

Well now I have some points to argue wid u.

1 ) its only the ASP where u get posting on merit. Same is true for DMG also ?? dont u agree ??. well known DC of any district ll be posted as OSD if "Sarkar" is nt happy wid him. I can give u one example when Zulfiqar Mirza was Interior minister of Sindh he abused DMG officer on his visit to hyderabad bcz toilets were nt clean and Mirza sahib thought, its a conspiracy against President of Pakistan (perhaps he was due to visit the area) here is the link from youtube.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW4w62qBYRo]SHER -E- SINDH DR ZULFIQAR MIRZA TO BERATE TERRORIST DCO HYDERABAD - YouTube[/url]

Another time body guard of Gujranwala's commissioner (Wahla sahib) beated AC Narowal bcz our Kadhim e Punjab was on visit and again there were nt proper arrangements of cleanlinesss to show him . If i wud be at the place of these DMG officers i wud have thought "lanat ha asi zindagi par "" after all i didnt join DMG to become an educated cleaner.

2 ) u stated tat DMG get scholarships for higher studies they have more possibilities to get market orientated education but look Sir! PSP have also possibilities to LLM ( crime , forensic, even public policy, traffic management etc) one of ur junior from 2005 is doing Master in public policy from USA and he is from PSP. So PSP people can also be accomodated in other departments after retirement if they have been little bit active in their career.

3 ) I have many relatives and some close friends working in Europe and USA. Sir "door ke dhool suhany hoty han". Only plus point is tat they r earning better than us but are also not satisfied wid their lives , some are worried abt their children in western culture, some have home sickness. One of my close friend is an engineer in europe and earning almost (3.5-4 lakh) but u ll surprise to know, he wants to join PSP. Even he says i am ready to join DMG/ Custom/ Income tax but not FSP. for him to work in Pakistan and live wid parents is much impt than to earn 4 lakh monthly.

4 ) in Last I personally see PSP as a noble profession bcz u have direct contact wid the local people. U ll be the first to deliver the justice to poeple. U know better how much people are dissatisfied with govt. services especially Police. I m a teacher of Physics but i think i can sleep better at night if i wud have helped a poor father to find his kidnapped son. I ll feel more satisfied if i can contribute my part in eliminating crime from society.
Last but not Least u get respect and honour from society. U have legal power which makes u proud. No "badmash" or "politcial Gunda" can disturb u or ur family.
In my next post i ll ask some questions abt perks and priviliges in PSP and DMG. I hope u ll nt mind it. If in the above lines u feel anything rude or too straight forward i m sorry but i tried to convery my point of view.[/QUOTE]

No comments....again you are making personal attack on an occupational group....all your arguments are very weak but i do not want to indulge in endless discussion.....

[QUOTE=nadem;377812]No comments....again you are making personal attack on an occupational group....all your arguments are very weak but i do not want to indulge in endless discussion.....[/QUOTE]

me too

@ Asif Ijaz
 

I wanted to make few comments, first of all I dint say that PSP isnt a good group, I am just saying that it is an aptitude service and aptitude cannot be judged untill and unless someone is part of this service. Moreover No doubt you are just like my younger brother, so if we have any difference of opinion then it is very normal but during all this we should not let down any particular group...I am sure that you will agree with me that words like "educated cleaners" and "lanat he aisi zindagi per" should not be used regarding any service, especially when you are not part of this service. I am again saying that this is a public forum so unfortunately I cannot discuss all in depth details of Police...I am sure [B]Hashmi sb[/B] would be knowing that what n what we police officers are forced to do and while doing those things and tasks we also say to ourselves the same words which you used for an another group.

About Zulfiqar Mirza...well everyone knows what kind of a person he is...there are number of occassions where he misbehaved with DIG and IG level officers and abused them openly in official meetings when he was the interior minister....so that behavior of Mirza to DCO was not because he was the DCO, it was because DCO was unlucky to be under such a bd-tameez officer....whenever he misbehaved with senior police officers what they did to him? nothing..!!! all are Government servants, so how do you think that a DCO cannt do anything and a police officer will put the interior minister behind the bars???? About AC Narowal incident, havnt you heard that couple of years back an Additional SP was beaten by lawyers in central district of punjab? In another casea person slapped an SP in his office and that SP couldnt say anything because that person is a big name in today's political set up of punjab....who gets hit by stones on roads?and what about few years ago RPO Bahawalpur was murdered by his own gun man because RPO said some harsh words to that gun man. all I can say is that these incidents are unfortunate...these are nothing to do with one's service

You mentioned about protecting one's families against "Gundas" well I will only say that pray to Almighty that HE might save us all from such elements in our society....ask any Police officer residing in karachi that is any police officer who participated in the karachi operation in start 90s alive? In Pakistan everyone's life is at stake...so we just need prayers as a nation.

About degrees...well I myself did Msc (Criminal Justice) from Michigan State University...ofcourse I know what courses are offered...believe me traffic management, forensics and criminal justice have no market value...about that PSP doing MPA,well he went there on Fulbright NOT on Govt scholarship...and an MPA degree holder with job experience of Police working,well i dun see anything good in terms of combination...

I agree with you that no doubt Police is a noble profession...so is being a doctor and a teacher and a public servant...Moreover you mentioned that Police provide justice to general public, well this isnt the case...Police just registers the case, apprehend the culprit and submits challan to the court...its the court which provides justice or injustice to people. Do you think District administration cant provide direct relief to general public? who manages roads construction, streets construction, revenue matters, seeds provision, fertilizers provision, holding law n order meetings,price controls of commodities,encrochments,weapon license,provision of relief during emergency situations like flood etc,construction of parks and public places...I think if someone is honest then one can really serve the people directly while being in the District Administration..ofcourse Police does it also but Police isnt the sole noble profession.

You are right about staying in Pakistan, I prefer that too...but i was mentioning about an option about which someone might think of...I am just trying to say that both are very good groups and one should not fanticise something too much coz it becomes really painful when the reality turns out to be different and I am sharing my entire service experiences, I am not discussing the thoughts of "a lot of my relatives or friends" I am saying this once I am part of this...so I can make arguments and have discussion with a person who is part of this system...people sitting outside the system know only 10-15% of the realities of service...Good luck for future and stay blesssed

@Nadem
 

[QUOTE=nadem;377884]I wanted to make few comments, first of all I dint say that PSP isnt a good group, I am just saying that it is an aptitude service and aptitude cannot be judged untill and unless someone is part of this service. Moreover No doubt you are just like my younger brother, so if we have any difference of opinion then it is very normal but during all this we should not let down any particular group...I am sure that you will agree with me that words like "educated cleaners" and "lanat he aisi zindagi per" should not be used regarding any service, especially when you are not part of this service. I am again saying that this is a public forum so unfortunately I cannot discuss all in depth details of Police...I am sure [B]Hashmi sb[/B] would be knowing that what n what we police officers are forced to do and while doing those things and tasks we also say to ourselves the same words which you used for an another group.

About Zulfiqar Mirza...well everyone knows what kind of a person he is...there are number of occassions where he misbehaved with DIG and IG level officers and abused them openly in official meetings when he was the interior minister....so that behavior of Mirza to DCO was not because he was the DCO, it was because DCO was unlucky to be under such a bd-tameez officer....whenever he misbehaved with senior police officers what they did to him? nothing..!!! all are Government servants, so how do you think that a DCO cannt do anything and a police officer will put the interior minister behind the bars???? About AC Narowal incident, havnt you heard that couple of years back an Additional SP was beaten by lawyers in central district of punjab? In another casea person slapped an SP in his office and that SP couldnt say anything because that person is a big name in today's political set up of punjab....who gets hit by stones on roads?and what about few years ago RPO Bahawalpur was murdered by his own gun man because RPO said some harsh words to that gun man. all I can say is that these incidents are unfortunate...these are nothing to do with one's service

You mentioned about protecting one's families against "Gundas" well I will only say that pray to Almighty that HE might save us all from such elements in our society....ask any Police officer residing in karachi that is any police officer who participated in the karachi operation in start 90s alive? In Pakistan everyone's life is at stake...so we just need prayers as a nation.

About degrees...well I myself did Msc (Criminal Justice) from Michigan State University...ofcourse I know what courses are offered...believe me traffic management, forensics and criminal justice have no market value...about that PSP doing MPA,well he went there on Fulbright NOT on Govt scholarship...and an MPA degree holder with job experience of Police working,well i dun see anything good in terms of combination...

I agree with you that no doubt Police is a noble profession...so is being a doctor and a teacher and a public servant...Moreover you mentioned that Police provide justice to general public, well this isnt the case...Police just registers the case, apprehend the culprit and submits challan to the court...its the court which provides justice or injustice to people. Do you think District administration cant provide direct relief to general public? who manages roads construction, streets construction, revenue matters, seeds provision, fertilizers provision, holding law n order meetings,price controls of commodities,encrochments,weapon license,provision of relief during emergency situations like flood etc,construction of parks and public places...I think if someone is honest then one can really serve the people directly while being in the District Administration..ofcourse Police does it also but Police isnt the sole noble profession.

You are right about staying in Pakistan, I prefer that too...but i was mentioning about an option about which someone might think of...I am just trying to say that both are very good groups and one should not fanticise something too much coz it becomes really painful when the reality turns out to be different and I am sharing my entire service experiences, I am not discussing the thoughts of "a lot of my relatives or friends" I am saying this once I am part of this...so I can make arguments and have discussion with a person who is part of this system...people sitting outside the system know only 10-15% of the realities of service...Good luck for future and stay blesssed[/QUOTE]

Dear Brother I apologize for my comments in above Posts Nr. 35 and 37. I am really sorry if you/or someone else feels hurt from it,
@ Moderators: Plz remove my post 35 and 37.

[QUOTE=asif_ijaz78;377895]Dear Brother I apologize for my comments in above Posts Nr. 35 and 37. I am really sorry if you/or someone else feels hurt from it,
@ Moderators: Plz remove my post 35 and 37.[/QUOTE]
Oh plz dun b sorry...all of us are here to exchange our views n experiences...you can n you should but ofcourse we should b respectful towards everyone around here...i really appreciate the way you admitted your mistake...really thats v nice n coutious of you...God bless you my brother n do ask if u hav any further query about PSP/DMG thing...i'll b happy to reply the queries of gentle man like you