Wednesday, February 21, 2024
10:15 AM (GMT +5)

Go Back   CSS Forums > CSS Compulsory Subjects > English (Precis & Composition) > Grammar-Section

Reply Share Thread: Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook     Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter     Submit Thread to Google+ Google+    
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Silent Spectator's Avatar
Assistant Commissioner BCS (EB)
PMS / PCS Award: Serving PMS / PCS (BS 17) officers are eligible only. - Issue reason: BPSC B-17 - 2017
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Quetta
Posts: 961
Thanks: 83
Thanked 738 Times in 421 Posts
Silent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really nice
Exclamation Present simple or present indefinite?

Asslamualaikum,
consider the sentence:
" He is a boy".
" He has a pen".
Are these the sentences of present indefinite tense? if yes, then where are the helping verbs of the present indefinite tense? like "do, does"?//
We say that in present indefinite the helping verbs are do and does..
But in the above sentences we have not used verbs rather is, has.
Now these sentences; They are students? Are is the helping verb of present continous tense but we have used it here?
Is there any existance of Present simple tense?
If yes then what is the difference b/w "present simple and present indefinite tense"?
If not then why don't we say that in present indefinite only helping verbs are do,does,. Then is are am has have must also be the helping verbs of the same tense?
Do reply..........
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Thursday, April 17, 2008
Sureshlasi's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: Best Moderator Award: Awarded for censoring all swearing and keeping posts in order. - Issue reason: Best ModMember of the Year: Awarded to those community members who have made invaluable contributions to the Community in the particular year - Issue reason: For the year 2007Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: پاکستان
Posts: 2,282
Thanks: 483
Thanked 3,082 Times in 760 Posts
Sureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to all
Default

Tenses are mainly formed to guide us way to learn english. Else, It`s taught in other convenient methods in native countries. You can call above structures as Present simple in our terms. Every english author use own techniques for teaching the grammar.

As I was taught that english has 4 tenses only (Present,Past,Future & Continues) and we built approach towards them. If you read the Practical Grammar of A.J Thomson, You will come to the solution.

Take care,
__________________
ஜ иστнιπg ι ιмթΘรรιвlε тσ α ωιℓℓιиg нєαят ஜ
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Thursday, April 17, 2008
Silent Spectator's Avatar
Assistant Commissioner BCS (EB)
PMS / PCS Award: Serving PMS / PCS (BS 17) officers are eligible only. - Issue reason: BPSC B-17 - 2017
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Quetta
Posts: 961
Thanks: 83
Thanked 738 Times in 421 Posts
Silent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really nice
Exclamation

Asslamualaikum,
First of all thanks alot for ur reply to my this thread. But i have gone through many books written by English people, where i have found both of the names as "present indefinite and present simple".
Some of them have said that if "is, am and are" are uesd it indicates towards present continous tense so using these helping verbs is not correct in present indefinite or simple..
Though it is a controversy, but from my own point of view we should say that, if "is,am and are" are used in present we must call them as "PRESENT FORM OF VERB" rather than present indefinite of present simple..
Do reply, all members are requested..
regards
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Sunday, April 20, 2008
Sureshlasi's Avatar
Senior Member
Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: Best Moderator Award: Awarded for censoring all swearing and keeping posts in order. - Issue reason: Best ModMember of the Year: Awarded to those community members who have made invaluable contributions to the Community in the particular year - Issue reason: For the year 2007Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: پاکستان
Posts: 2,282
Thanks: 483
Thanked 3,082 Times in 760 Posts
Sureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to allSureshlasi is a name known to all
Default

It`s my own pleasure. I`m agree with you. If you pay heed to the meaning of respective tenses, you come to know that structures are built by their own.

So far as it is concerned with Present Simple, It`s crystal clear that It`s supporting the noun. It doesn`t contain any verb. Look at the expression, "Salman is a boy". The sub "Salman" is being furtherly explained by the clause. So It may be used as adjective. Another sentence can be built in this regard by using other helping verbs. Like: "He has a nice car". This sentence is implying the same thing. Therefore, A simple sentence may contain any helping verb apposite to the situation.

Let`s come to the Present Indefinate. The helping verbs of this tense "do" & "does" imply the occurence of an event and they are supported by verb. Moreover, they are used in negative and questioning form. Similarly, Present continues tense refers to continous action. "is", "am" & "are" are supported by verb -ing form.

If you need further assistance, Don`t falter to query them.

Take care,
__________________
ஜ иστнιπg ι ιмթΘรรιвlε тσ α ωιℓℓιиg нєαят ஜ
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old Sunday, April 20, 2008
Silent Spectator's Avatar
Assistant Commissioner BCS (EB)
PMS / PCS Award: Serving PMS / PCS (BS 17) officers are eligible only. - Issue reason: BPSC B-17 - 2017
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Quetta
Posts: 961
Thanks: 83
Thanked 738 Times in 421 Posts
Silent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really nice
Default

Asslamualaikum,
I think i have gone mad regarding the present indefinite and present simple, every one has his own comments regarding the same, i explained it before some ingenious people, i could not believe in my eyes, i was telling them that we are having 12 Tenses, when i explained. A question was arisen that if we are having Present simple then we obviously will be having past simple and future simple?!!!
I m in search of the same dielema.
I want to say bundle of thanks to you that only you have participated in solving my this problem.
regards.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old Thursday, July 31, 2008
Faraz_1984's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Alone
Posts: 590
Thanks: 768
Thanked 286 Times in 200 Posts
Faraz_1984 is infamous around these parts
Default Kinds of present tense

Present indefinite

Kinds of present tense

Dear brother,

I hope it will give you some idea about present indefinite

Formula: Subject + 1st of the verb (es, s, ies) + object


Present tense is used in three places

With action

For Example: he plays football

With property

For Example: I have a pen
She has a pen

With status

For Example: He is a teacher
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Saturday, August 02, 2008
Umair Akbar's Avatar
38th CTP (ITG)
CSP Medal: Awarded to those Members of the forum who are serving CSP Officers - Issue reason: CE 2009 - Merit 70
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Karachi
Posts: 136
Thanks: 68
Thanked 68 Times in 46 Posts
Umair Akbar is on a distinguished road
Default

Asslam o Alaikum to everyOne

Dear Friend I put forward my view on this topic, it may be subjected to alterations.!!!

Present Simple or present Indefinite is used to describe certian actions that are taking place & it states the possessions. Moreover, it is used to describe those situations or actions that are currently happening & will continue to happen indefinitly.

Present Simple: I drive a car, I have a pen.

In above example " I drive a car", it is informed that "I" know driving a car a and I will drive it in the future as well.

Regarding Verb:

As we know that without a verb, no sentence can be called a sentence. Present Indefinite also contains a verb.

Subject + Verb + Object

Ex: I have a pen.

In above example "HAVE" is acting as a main verb & not helping verb. It notifies that I possess something. Its not helping verb over here. you may also check dictionary, a good one, for seeking roles that these helping verbs play. The same is true for "is, am, are".

Like: He is boy.
The sentence is present simple. "IS" main verb.

I hope that you have got my point.
__________________
38th Common
Inland Revenue Service
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Saturday, August 02, 2008
Silent Spectator's Avatar
Assistant Commissioner BCS (EB)
PMS / PCS Award: Serving PMS / PCS (BS 17) officers are eligible only. - Issue reason: BPSC B-17 - 2017
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Quetta
Posts: 961
Thanks: 83
Thanked 738 Times in 421 Posts
Silent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really niceSilent Spectator is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Asslamualaikum,
consider the sentence:
" He is a boy".
" He has a pen".
Are these the sentences of present indefinite tense? if yes, then where are the helping verbs of the present indefinite tense? like "do, does"?//
We say that in present indefinite the helping verbs are do and does..
But in the above sentences we have not used verbs rather is, has.
Now these sentences; They are students? Are is the helping verb of present continous tense but we have used it here?
Is there any existance of Present simple tense?
If yes then what is the difference b/w "present simple and present indefinite tense"?
If not then why don't we say that in present indefinite only helping verbs are do,does,. Then is are am has have must also be the helping verbs of the same tense?
I thank all of you for your kind replies.

Dear brothers it is crystal clear that a sentence is incomplete without verb,

ex: He has a pen.

In this sentence "has" is main verb, because in abscence of main verb, helping
verb becomes the main verb.

Regards.
__________________
I am he, whom I Love. And he whom I Love is I.

Last edited by Princess Royal; Saturday, August 02, 2008 at 08:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Solved Everyday Science Papers Dilrauf General Science & Ability 4 Friday, April 08, 2011 06:10 PM
Quran and science -Essay Muhammad Akmal Essays 7 Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:44 AM
Haazir & Naazir Sureshlasi Islam 0 Friday, August 31, 2007 06:22 PM
Simple and Real Friends Last Island Humorous, Inspirational and General Stuff 0 Monday, March 05, 2007 05:11 PM


CSS Forum on Facebook Follow CSS Forum on Twitter

Disclaimer: All messages made available as part of this discussion group (including any bulletin boards and chat rooms) and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of CSSForum.com.pk (unless CSSForum.com.pk is specifically identified as the author of the message). The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that CSSForum has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to the forum to report any objectionable message in site feedback. This forum is not monitored 24/7.

Sponsors: ArgusVision   vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.