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Your language is the manifestation of your mentality, do not beat about the bush, if you have any thing to prove me wrong, give it here or keep silence..
When we change the voice of sentences having hidden or unsaid connected object then we use that object (in changing the voice) and without that the voice can't be changed in accordance with the rules of grammar.

For example:
Police arrest.
Here the connected object is hidden or unsaid that is thives, criminals ets
And thus passive will be thieves are arrested(by police)
But according to your approach it would be : It is arrested by the police. Which is wrong.

In the same way the sentence,"Lovers love" has hidden connected object and that is "beloved" and the passive will be,"Beloved are loved" but not, " It is loved by the lovers"

Now I ask you that how would you change the the voice of the following sentence.
Beloved are loved.(change the voice)

When you change the above sentence then you will prove yourself wrong and nothing would remain to anyone to prove you wrong.

Dear kisi achy English teacher se tuition lo.

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When we change the voice of sentences having hidden or unsaid connected object then we use that object (in changing the voice) and without that the voice can't be changed in accordance with the rules of grammar.

For example:
Police arrest.
Here the connected object is hidden or unsaid that is thives, criminals ets
And thus passive will be thieves are arrested(by police)
But according to your approach it would be : It is arrested by the police. Which is wrong.

In the same way the sentence,"Lovers love" has hidden connected object and that is "beloved" and the passive will be,"Beloved are loved" but not, " It is loved by the lovers"

Now I ask you that how would you change the the voice of the following sentence.
Beloved are loved.(change the voice)

When you change the above sentence then you will prove yourself wrong and nothing would remain to anyone to prove you wrong.

Dear kisi achy English teacher se tuition lo.

Hope you will act upon....…

Many thanks
My dear friend i respect your opinion, i would acquiesce but your arguments ain't convincing...
Universal phenomenon are made passive by adding an IT, here IT would not act as neither a Demonstrative Adjective nor a Determiner, rather IT would play the role of a modifier that we use to convert into passive an active verb which does not have an object predicate.....

your active verb police arrest would not be changed into passive as it is not a universal phenomenon, Police does not only arrests criminals, accused are also arrested, juvenile are also arrested so we are not sure of the object as object predicate is not present.

Now you are asking me to change the voice of Beloved are loved is already a passive, brother don't get yourself ridiculed. To err is human.
Me bhool jao ga isay apni ana ka masla na banao. Tuition ki zarurat shayed apko hy, mujh se raabta kr len me free me prha do ga :P

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My dear friend i respect your opinion, i would acquiesce but your arguments ain't convincing...
Universal phenomenon are made passive by adding an IT, here IT would not act as neither a Demonstrative Adjective nor a Determiner, rather IT would play the role of a modifier that we use to convert into passive an active verb which does not have an object predicate.....

your active verb police arrest would not be changed into passive as it is not a universal phenomenon, Police does not only arrests criminals, accused are also arrested, juvenile are also arrested so we are not sure of the object as object predicate is not present.

Now you are asking me to change the voice of Beloved are loved is already a passive, brother don't get yourself ridiculed. To err is human.
Me bhool jao ga isay apni ana ka masla na banao. Tuition ki zarurat shayed apko hy, mujh se raabta kr len me free me prha do ga :P

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decide yourself guys or this gentleman would keep arguing.
Beloved are loved. (change the voice)

do it if you can else just give in.
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Dear You could not prove me wrong.
If you have any argument to prove me wrong then give here, it would add to my knowledge as well as other members'.
Your language is the manifestation of your mentality, do not beat about the bush, if you have any thing to prove me wrong, give it here or keep silence..
Dear Bilal and Durrani.

My dears this forum is just for cooperation. Not for proving others wrong. If there is a confusion then make a debate on it and try to clarify yourselves. Because no one is perfect. Every one needs to learn more and more till death.

Stay blessed both of u.
Hope you will consider my request.
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Beloved are loved. (change the voice)

do it if you can else just give in.
Sir as i said this is already a passive, what do you want? now i think you are behaving outrageously.....come on man, its not like personal.
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Dear Bilal and Durrani.

My dears this forum is just for cooperation. Not for proving others wrong. If there is a confusion then make a debate on it and try to clarify yourselves. Because no one is perfect. Every one needs to learn more and more till death.

Stay blessed both of u.
Hope you will consider my request.
Dear i am willing to forget that issue, i have given him solid arguments, that's all i could do. and if he is adamant that he is right than let him be, after all we can make someone understand, if he has senses...
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Now you are asking me to change the voice of Beloved are loved is already a passive, brother don't get yourself ridiculed. To err is human.
Me bhool jao ga isay apni ana ka masla na banao. Tuition ki zarurat shayed apko hy, mujh se raabta kr len me free me prha do ga :P

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Dear Aristotle

Change the voice means if sentence is active then change into passive and if the sentence is passive then change it into active. Clear?

Now

Beloved are loved. (Change the voice)

Do it if you can bt I believe you won't be able as you knowledge mirrors.

I await your response.
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Dear Aristotle

Change the voice means if sentence is active then change into passive and if the sentence is passive then change it into active. Clear?

Now

Beloved are loved. (Change the voice)

Do it if you can bt I believe you won't be able as you knowledge mirrors.

I await your response.
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Again a universal phenomenon, a modifier is required, we love the beloved, no agent is there so the modifer will be used to act as an agent of the action.
brother if you still keep harping on the same string then you are just wasting your time. stay blessed. and personal ni lo yar cheezo ko...

P.S brother this was my last post here. if you want any further correspondence, do have my mail from my profile. it would be a pleasure to talk to you.
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Again a universal phenomenon, a modifier is required, we love the beloved, no agent is there so the modifer will be used to act as an agent of the action.
brother if you still keep harping on the same string then you are just wasting your time. stay blessed. and personal ni lo yar cheezo ko...

P.S brother this was my last post here. if you want any further correspondence, do have my mail from my profile. it would be a pleasure to talk to you.
Again wrong.
Answer will simply be, " Lovers love(their beloved)

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Again wrong.
Answer will simply be, " Lovers love(their beloved)

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brother you are also using the modifier, but wrong use...In passive Modifier is used to do the job of a Subject/agent but you are omitting the object at all.
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