I already told you that i have not much time for detailed discussion on this topic. Recently i got my left finger fractured so it is also difficult for me to type.

But while you claimed that i miss guided you, you in fact compelled me to post this reply.

For the first point, regarding beating your wife, Quran's phrase allowing this is:

" Men stand above women insofar as God has given the one more than the other and insofar as they (men) spend of their wealth; and virtuous women are devout and protective of the hidden as God protects, but those (women) whose uncooperativeness you (men) fear --- admonish them and leave them alone in bed and chastise(beat physically) them.v(surah 4: verse 34)"

Our law definitely contains punishment for this act. Pakistan Penal Code is available on line you can study it. I also remind you that in August 2009, National assembly passed a law against DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. there is a lot a material available on this issue online. Just open google and search "domestic violence in Pakistan. One link is:
http://southasia.oneworld.net/todays...estic-violence.

Regarding second thing, having sex with maid ( londi or kaneez) , it is also a well known subject. The most famous quranic verse in this regard is.

"tum pay haram ki gai hay her wo aorat jis ka pahlay say shohar maojood ho, magar wo aorat jo tumharay qabzay main aa jaye".

Yeah ayat gazwa hunain kay mooqa per nazil hoi jab kuch mushrik aoratain musalmano kay qabzay main aa gai. Sahaba nay in kay sath mubashrat ko haram tasawur kya kion kay un aorato kay pahlay say shohar maojood thay. Laikin Allah nay yeah ayat nazil kar kay in aoratoo ko Sahaba pay Halal kara diye so that they may have sex with them without nikah. (yeah tafseer main likha hay, main apni tarf say kuch nahi add kar raha).

Prophet Muhammad himself owned a slave girl, named Maria Qibtia, whom he received as a gift from the King of Egypt. From her, Prophet Muhammad also had a child named Ibrahim. Remember Prophet never married Maria. She was his londi. Now you can also search for this subject online.

Hope Ab app ko yaqeen aa jaye ga kay main app ko misguide nahi kar raha

Firstly I thank you for your support for me. The thanks you posted always encouraged me a lot. Thank you so much.

and what you said is absolutely right about most of the girls and about you. Laikin major problem yeah hay kay polygamy ki mukhalifat kartay hoye un ka lahja bara "mazarat Khwahana" ho jata hay jaisay kaay wo koi crime kar rahi hoon.

I wish girls would have opposed it more forcefully.

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Well it is in fact generated a controversy. Ever settlement have to be preceded with a state of Anarchy. But after this brief state of Anarchy, everything would get settled in a better pattern.

But it is a fact that there is not much left in this debate.

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Frustration..... you are frustrated ...

And frustration is the only unified symbol of my society. Everywhere you find people discussing the problem of the society just for self catharsis.

But there is only one solution. We all will have to work against all these problems.

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Hahaha .... yes you are right. If I ever had favored polygamy tou i dont know mera kya banta.

But ..... no more kids ..... with or without her.

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@ Jazibroomi
Bro by making post against polygamy don’t try to get 3 medals for just clearing the written in 2010.(you already have 2).



Now let me tell you one thing that Islam allows to beat women and our law doesn’t and you quoted the case of Mohsin Hassan khan who slapped her wife. Let me clear you one thing that go into the details of beating wife as per Islam there you will find that slapping ,clubbing etc to your wife are not allowed in Islam. What Islam says about that will be told later by me. So plz study this.


If you say that Islam allows to have sex with Londi then you are not aware of the thing that latter on Islam disallowed it. It was banned.( update your knowledge bro)


Don’t try to quote One revelation or two to misguide people.
You can’t sell and buy the captives according to Islam. Just study from start to the end don’t quote the things from the early few years of Islamic history .Ghulam system is discouraged by Islam.(go and find the detail knowledge about it otherwise I’m here to help you ) Agr is pe bhi debate krni hai then you are welcomed on my yahoo ID.


And Islam never allow waging Jehad against Non Muslims who don’t embrace Islam. Bhai itni galat baten na phalao. And if someone doesn’t give Taxthis is another thing and an action should be taken against him not War. Don’t mess the things.


I think you have a book of rs.10 which usually is sold in local Busses.


you quote about the high number of Divorces in UAE and other Arab countries and you give Polygamy the cause. There is another big cause of these Divorces that I think you don’t know. I’ll also discuss this later. So don’t relate this to thing only to polygamy. Ye game kuch aur hai.


The other thing you are try to highlight is that marriage is only for financial support of the widows or divorce so it seems that you have limited knowledge about the institution of marriage.
And if it is only about the financial support then I think we should not marry even once.


@ all

There are certain areas in where Islam allows you to have Law making upto certain limit.
For example We can make law not to marry twice while you have your wife. Due to any reason like economic reasons. But limitation comes like you can’t stop one marriage. Similarly Islam allows cousin marriages but now science has exposed many problems in cousin marriages. So you can forbid cousin marriages.
One more thing I fully support Polygamy under the certain conditions. I’ll be fully against if someone says that if he could put a ban on polygamy without any solid reason.

What now I am going to tell will sound many of you lunacy but Mark my words that in the next 30 years the people of Pakistan and the women of Pakistan will support polygamy and Men will be encouraged to have more than 1 wife. I know it seems baseless and out of the world to many of you due to limited knowledge of yours. Just wait and watch. And you will remind my words when you see that happening.


And you people should give him answer in a better way . Don’t be impressed by third class things he tells you people and write about prostitutes etc. Bhai ye gap bhi na lgao . Heera mandi main aise kaam nai hota . Don’t try to write stories of Indian films here.


@ Jazziroomi . I invite you on my Yahoo ID to have a debate as I’ll make no more posts here. One of my friends ask me to participate here.Thats why I’m making this post.
hope you'll not mind all above written things.

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Aap shabdon mein kahan bandh payenge.
Kabhi mere aankhon mein jhaank kar dekho,
Hazaron alfaz khud-b-khud bikhar jayenge.

not many days are left in the papers so focus on your examination and those who have qualified should concentrate on psychological and Interview. and those who want to reappear should not take things lightly. Kis fazul bahas main paray hue ho saaray. 15 pages bhr diye hain useless discussion main. kia mila hai ab tak. Kiska knowledge ziada hai ? Hr banda apni jgah theek samjh raha hai khud ko.
is liye Just leave the topic now.aik hi baat hr bnda kiye ja raha hai tb se.

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Aap shabdon mein kahan bandh payenge.
Kabhi mere aankhon mein jhaank kar dekho,
Hazaron alfaz khud-b-khud bikhar jayenge.

I have already made it more discernible that the same words of God could be interpreted differently and hence different versions of islam could be adopted. Talibans have their own islam, we have ours. God knew that His same words would be understood differently since He is the creator of all creations including our language and our minds. Its a sort of inherent flexibility in things that He allowed happily because He says He is not cruel but All Merciful. Exceptions arise in human race and for those exceptions we got to find solutions through Qiyaas and Ijtihaad (Jazib already proved their importance that even a wrong ijtihad will give you 1 reward let alone the importance and necesssity of a correct ijtihaad).
Let's come to medical exceptions: There is no verse mentioned about Conjoined twins, how should they live, marry, pray etc. Does that mean we will apply the same verses to them which are applied to normal human beings? No, the islamic scholors are to sit, contemplate and derive a reasonably different criteria from the same words of God.
There is a verse in the Quran: We gave you eyes and ears and hearts and still you are seldom thankful.
This verse cannot be generalized and hence not applicable to all and sundry for there are exceptional people like Helen Keller who have/had no eyes, no ears. There are special people, mentally retarded
even insane. So God being the sole creator of His words and Exceptions allowed Qiyaas, Ijtihaad so that people having RAGE-FUL, inflexible hare-brains could not unleash the reign of terror in the name of the same words of God for all and sundry.
Rage! It was very unlikely of you but such benighted reason is not so uncommon and I'm least surprised of knowing the knowledge of your circular reasoning. I am appalled!