[QUOTE=dr adnan rana;430529]Dear any good reason for preferring IRS over PCS?[/QUOTE]

sir this is exactly what i am thinking right now, actually the sole reason i was so passionate about css was dmg,i felt no charm whatsoever for other groups,perhaps this hastiness might had disarrayed my preference list...but yeah,my fault! should had put customs before irs,jinxed it:sad:

[QUOTE=dr adnan rana;430529]Dear any good reason for preferring IRS over PCS?[/QUOTE]
@ Dr Adnan Rana

Could you present a comparative analysis of both groups. What are basis of your question itself.

[QUOTE=sarfaraz shami;431122]@ Dr Adnan Rana

Could you present a comparative analysis of both groups. What are basis of your question itself.[/QUOTE]

Dear my question has been answered well.
well the same question is for you...?
Reasons for preferring PCS are many you can consult the relevant thread.

[QUOTE=dr adnan rana;431167]Dear my question has been answered well.
well the same question is for you...?
Reasons for preferring PCS are many you can consult the relevant thread.[/QUOTE]
1. Revenue collection of IRS is more than PCS.
2. More horizontal growth
3. Easy to get home station posting
4. More public dealing as compared to PCS
5. After restructuring & as per trends more focus will be on IRS as Pakistan is facing shortage of revenue collection. A overhauling of IRS is underway & there importance will rise.

PCS is a much better group than IRS. However I also made a blunder by placing IRS above PCS. My only reason was the rumor that there is only 1 seat for PCS this time around but now I feel bad about my decision :(

PCS now only includes customs,,

whereas in IRS we have sales tax, income tax and federal excise duty...

when there was income tax group then on doubt customs was much better but now two functions of PCS have been incorporated in IRS . so IRS is the future and in PCS chances of mobility are also slim now ...and every year there will be very less intake

Today DMG has been changed into the PAS i.e. Pakistan Administrative service.

Now DMG will top the preference of many candidates appearing for CSS...but the functions of PAS/DMg will remain essentially the same.

[QUOTE=sarfaraz shami;431183]1. Revenue collection of IRS is more than PCS.
2. More horizontal growth
3. Easy to get home station posting
4. More public dealing as compared to PCS
5. After restructuring & as per trends more focus will be on IRS as Pakistan is facing shortage of revenue collection. A overhauling of IRS is underway & there importance will rise.[/QUOTE]

Dear i dont want to start a debate with you who is just preparing for exams but let me clarify here (for your benefit) that PCS is allocated to those only who wrote it as 2nd or 3rd preference (till last allocation of CE-2010 even after this change in FBR). Moreover in current scenario luckiest are those who managed to enter in PCS according to their merit because very small no. is being offered recently and their promotion and postings prospects ,ll be more. Yes promotion is a problem in FBR these days (for both IRS n PCS ) but it,ll be settled in near future.
Chances of horizontal mobility (that is called deputation ) are equal for every service/groups. There is no written advantage for any service/group. Generally IRS ppl go on deputation because they have 1100 officers in cadre but PCS has a very smart cadre strength of 250-300 and they dont go on deputation ( except on foreign missions and secretariat postings).
Out of total revenue collected by FBR this year (2011-2012) 52% is collected by Customs Wing with this smart cadre, you can confirm it by google it or any national daily newspaper of last few weeks. Because Customs collects not only customs duty on imports but also sales tax and excise duty on import level, then it allow the entry of goods into country ( 52% is even after creation of IRS ).
Last but the most important CULTURE that is corporate culture is completely visible in IRS offices but PCS has still the same Royal culture with all facilities from day one( vehicle, accomodation and staff etc.)

Hope it,ll help you.

Good luck

[QUOTE=dr adnan rana;431603]Dear i dont want to start a debate with you who is just preparing for exams but let me clarify here (for your benefit) that PCS is allocated to those only who wrote it as 2nd or 3rd preference (till last allocation of CE-2010 even after this change in FBR). Moreover in current scenario luckiest are those who managed to enter in PCS according to their merit because very small no. is being offered recently and their promotion and postings prospects ,ll be more. Yes promotion is a problem in FBR these days (for both IRS n PCS ) but it,ll be settled in near future.
Chances of horizontal mobility (that is called deputation ) are equal for every service/groups. There is no written advantage for any service/group. Generally IRS ppl go on deputation because they have 1100 officers in cadre but PCS has a very smart cadre strength of 250-300 and they dont go on deputation ( except on foreign missions and secretariat postings).
Out of total revenue collected by FBR this year (2011-2012) 52% is collected by Customs Wing with this smart cadre, you can confirm it by google it or any national daily newspaper of last few weeks. Because Customs collects not only customs duty on imports but also sales tax and excise duty on import level, then it allow the entry of goods into country ( 52% is even after creation of IRS ).
Last but the most important CULTURE that is corporate culture is completely visible in IRS offices but PCS has still the same Royal culture with all facilities from day one( vehicle, accomodation and staff etc.)

Hope it,ll help you.

Good luck[/QUOTE]
You are CSP officer brother, but you are misquoting the figures.

You can have figures from following link. This is economic survey of Pakistan.

[url]http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapter_11/04-Fiscal%20Development.pdf[/url]

For your easiness I am quoting here figures from above file


[COLOR="DarkOrange"][COLOR="blue"][B]Economic Survey of Pakistan 2010-2011[/B]

Chapter: Fiscal Development
Page Number 06

Direct taxes 38 % of total Tax revenue


Sales Tax 41 % of total tax revenue

Custom Duty 12% of total tax revenue

Excise 9 % approximately[/COLOR]
[B][/COLOR]
Now lets talk about media which you made a source. [/B]

Revenue officials` career growth in limbo


By Mubarak Zeb Khan
date: 20/03/2012

ISLAMABAD, March 19: In what appears to be indifference towards a group collecting more tax than others, the government seems unwilling to allocate grade 22 posts for officials of the Inland Revenue Service (IRS).

Even small cadre groups like postal, audits and accounts, and customs have posts in BPS-22, but no such post has been allocated for the IRS, [COLOR="DarkOrange"][B]which collects 89 per cent of the tax revenue generated by federal agencies.
[/B][/COLOR]
The FBR collects about 90 per cent of the federal government revenue. Of this, 89 per cent is being collected by the IRS group.

The IRS emerged as the biggest group following the World Bank-fun-ded reforms project that saw the merger of sales tax, federal excise duty and income tax units in the past five years. The IRS has a workforce of over 18,000 personnel.

There are 18 regional tax offices (RTOs), three large taxpayers units (LTUs) and 64 tax facilitation centres (TFCs) in the IRS field formation.

A senior tax official told Dawn that the FBR has submitted a request to the government to consider senior slots for the group in BPS-22 and a share in secretariat posts as well.

The official said no response had yet been received from the government on the matter. He said there was no share of the IRS in the secretariatposts especially in BPS-20 and above, dominated currently by the DMG officials.

Even groups with smaller cadre strengths like the Police Service of Pakistan, Audits and Accounts, DMG and Pakistan Postal Service not only have their own cadre posts in BPS-22 but also have a reasonable share in the secretariat group as well.

The official said the alleged discrimination practically limits the career progression of the officers of IRS group to a maximum of BPS-21.

Another senior officer of the group said in comparison to other services there appears to be a bias against the IRS group despite the crucial role itplays vis-Ã -vis the national economy.

A source in the Establishment Division said the FBR had demanded upgradation of seven BPS-21 posts to BPS-22.

A summary has already been submitted in this regard but the government says it may consider only four cadre posts in BPS-22 for the group.

The officer questioned the government`s approach that favours reforming the tax administration but seems unwilling to improve career structure of the IRS group. `This attitude has resulted in severe demoralisation, demotivation and job dissatisfaction across the service group,` the official said.




I am into preparation phase. I think CSP's should avoid mocking others.

[QUOTE=sarfaraz shami;431633]You are CSP officer brother, but you are misquoting the figures.

You can have figures from following link. This is economic survey of Pakistan.

[url]http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapter_11/04-Fiscal%20Development.pdf[/url]

For your easiness I am quoting here figures from above file


[COLOR="DarkOrange"][COLOR="green"][B]Economic Survey of Pakistan 2010-2011[/B]

Chapter: Fiscal Development
Page Number 06

Direct taxes 38 % of total Tax revenue


Sales Tax 41 % of total tax revenue

Custom Duty 12% of total tax revenue

Excise 9 % approximately[/COLOR]
[B][/COLOR]
Now lets talk about media which you made a source. [/B]

Revenue officials` career growth in limbo


By Mubarak Zeb Khan
date: 20/03/2012

ISLAMABAD, March 19: In what appears to be indifference towards a group collecting more tax than others, the government seems unwilling to allocate grade 22 posts for officials of the Inland Revenue Service (IRS).

Even small cadre groups like postal, audits and accounts, and customs have posts in BPS-22, but no such post has been allocated for the IRS, [COLOR="DarkOrange"][B]which collects 89 per cent of the tax revenue generated by federal agencies.
[/B][/COLOR]
The FBR collects about 90 per cent of the federal government revenue. Of this, 89 per cent is being collected by the IRS group.

The IRS emerged as the biggest group following the World Bank-fun-ded reforms project that saw the merger of sales tax, federal excise duty and income tax units in the past five years. The IRS has a workforce of over 18,000 personnel.

There are 18 regional tax offices (RTOs), three large taxpayers units (LTUs) and 64 tax facilitation centres (TFCs) in the IRS field formation.

A senior tax official told Dawn that the FBR has submitted a request to the government to consider senior slots for the group in BPS-22 and a share in secretariat posts as well.

The official said no response had yet been received from the government on the matter. He said there was no share of the IRS in the secretariatposts especially in BPS-20 and above, dominated currently by the DMG officials.

Even groups with smaller cadre strengths like the Police Service of Pakistan, Audits and Accounts, DMG and Pakistan Postal Service not only have their own cadre posts in BPS-22 but also have a reasonable share in the secretariat group as well.

The official said the alleged discrimination practically limits the career progression of the officers of IRS group to a maximum of BPS-21.

Another senior officer of the group said in comparison to other services there appears to be a bias against the IRS group despite the crucial role itplays vis-Ã -vis the national economy.

A source in the Establishment Division said the FBR had demanded upgradation of seven BPS-21 posts to BPS-22.

A summary has already been submitted in this regard but the government says it may consider only four cadre posts in BPS-22 for the group.

The officer questioned the government`s approach that favours reforming the tax administration but seems unwilling to improve career structure of the IRS group. `This attitude has resulted in severe demoralisation, demotivation and job dissatisfaction across the service group,` the official said.




I am into preparation phase. I think CSP's should avoid mocking others.[/QUOTE]
Dear i did not mock any one. You asked a question and I replied to it for your guidance. I dont feel any need of point scoring in front of you. Whatever i said above is 100% right and updated. What you said is not updated and secondly you did not try to understand what i have written that[SIZE="4"] Because Customs collects not only customs duty on imports but also sales tax and excise duty on import level, then it allow the entry of goods into country [/SIZE].
So Customs wing is collecting Customs duty + Sales tax on imports + Federal Tax on imports ,that is why total revenue becomes 52% of current year(2011-12). Its a technical point try to understand it,you ,ll get the answer. In articles like you quoted above people try to attach that sales tax + excise duty collected by PCS with IRS ...