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Respected fellow members! Kindly remain strictly relevant to the issue. I might again assert that the core motive of this piece of writing is not to criticize FPSC for all the shortcomings that are found with it but to make our voice heard to those at the helm of the affairs at Establishment Division. It is a simple and just plea that every qualifier has the right to an allocation. No matter he or she stands at no 1 or 788 at the final merit list. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less!

@ Armawaan, Fahad M Mirza, Cheena, Islaw Khan and others! Injustice is injustice no matter what disposition it has. As long as my person is concerned, I cannot take it as a silent bystander. It must be fought with whatever possible methods we have. I’ll write to the press. I‘ll use social media to sensitize the concerned people like you. Everyone knows it is wrong but no one speaks about it. This habit of silence and inaction must be done away with.

Now I have come to an understanding that why people do not take a stand against such an issue of grave national concern. The answer is simple. Because we are told that we are weak and unable to cope with so formidable an adversary (Establishment Division). But when shall we be stronger my respected fellow members? Will it be the next week or next year? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope until the Establishment Division continues with its injustices? I believe we are not weak if we make the proper use of those means which we have with us. Write letters to the editors, spread word of mouth against this injustice that is being unleashed upon us and many before us. As long as, I am concerned, I am already doing my bit. If I could only manage to make people realize that what is being done to them is unfair. Then, I guess, nothing would please me more than this!
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I do agree with wishmaker.Its really wierd yar, people are not ready to speak for their rights.I am also doing my bit buddy.I fail to understand ,why don't people write in newspapers, 20 days mein i see one letter , either in dawn,nation or the news. Infact, one letter should be daily published on this matter ,in one of the newspapers mentioned above. 788 candidates have passed, everybody should atleast write one article in dawn......Dr irfan almani has written few .Hats of to him .We should try to raise our voices in social media . AJJ kamran khan key satt is a good forum to raise voice.
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I'm sorry , I might sound swimming against the tide, but brothers, do you people comprehend the meaning of COMPETITIVE EXAM?
While submitting ones forms , one should read the terms and conditions of the whole process. If you do not agree with the procedure set by FPSC, then you can try your luck somewhere else. After all CSS is not the end of this world. One need to understand the procedure: every year some seats in 12 occupational groups get vacant, establishment dept. notifies the FPSC-- the hiring agency, in this case--FPSC conducts some tests and gives the list of the best candidates to ED. Then as per amendment of 1973 constitution, allocations are made against the AVAILABLE SLOTS.
Well, we can challenge the quota system, but I think accommodating all those who have passed is an absurdity;after all it's a COMPETITIVE EXAM.
We have witnessed this system everywhere. If you want to enrolled in a medical or engineering university, you pass your f.Sc, then an exam conducted by a testing agency and then, u compete for a GIVEN number of seats. They can't enroll everyone who has just passed the exam.
ESTABLISHMENT dept is not interested in accommodating people, they are just interested in filling the slots left vacant by those who have retired , left the service, or died. Keeping that end In view , a series of tests of different nature are taken, and the best ones( barring quota irregularities) are hired.
There may be lacunae in the nature or structure of exam, but saying that all those who have passed should be hired sounds illogical.
PS: I know my words would have been sounded very offensive to those who could not make it, but all I wanted is to be a bit logical about things. Anyway, I'm sorry if being realistic sounds vitriolic.
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Dear all concerned, I wish you all to effort for allocation of 788 qualifiers. And, this time I have seen favoritism and nepotism in CSS. By God, I don't trust CSS exam which has been considered as the most credible exam for last many years. It is immensely difficult to pass CSS exam if you don’t have political countenance in current scenario. Now, seats are given to cronies of our leaders. Uncountable seats in IRS, FSP, Customs, MLC, postal and railway are lying vacant.
Contact media persons like Hamid Mir, Kamran Khan and Javed Choudhry to get this work done legally. I will join this positive move. And do write letters to the editor in all English, Urdu and Sindhi newspapers.
I say extremely sorry to my all friends who are at top in merit list.
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I completely agree with you sir as the people like me having merit number 484 stand nowhere. they feel themselves in hot water to explain about their incomplete success in front of friends and family really it is very very hard to explain tha after qualifying each and every process we r still jobless. people like me belong to south punjab especially bahawalpur or raheem yar khan feel themselves stranded n destitute after facing such a situation. for girls of these areas it is very heart breaking especially. we should raise our voice because this is matter of our future
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I'm sorry , I might sound swimming against the tide, but brothers, do you people comprehend the meaning of COMPETITIVE EXAM?
While submitting ones forms , one should read the terms and conditions of the whole process. If you do not agree with the procedure set by FPSC, then you can try your luck somewhere else. After all CSS is not the end of this world. One need to understand the procedure: every year some seats in 12 occupational groups get vacant, establishment dept. notifies the FPSC-- the hiring agency, in this case--FPSC conducts some tests and gives the list of the best candidates to ED. Then as per amendment of 1973 constitution, allocations are made against the AVAILABLE SLOTS.
Well, we can challenge the quota system, but I think accommodating all those who have passed is an absurdity;after all it's a COMPETITIVE EXAM.
We have witnessed this system everywhere. If you want to enrolled in a medical or engineering university, you pass your f.Sc, then an exam conducted by a testing agency and then, u compete for a GIVEN number of seats. They can't enroll everyone who has just passed the exam.
ESTABLISHMENT dept is not interested in accommodating people, they are just interested in filling the slots left vacant by those who have retired , left the service, or died. Keeping that end In view , a series of tests of different nature are taken, and the best ones( barring quota irregularities) are hired.
There may be lacunae in the nature or structure of exam, but saying that all those who have passed should be hired sounds illogical.
PS: I know my words would have been sounded very offensive to those who could not make it, but all I wanted is to be a bit logical about things. Anyway, I'm sorry if being realistic sounds vitriolic.
With all due respect brother , your argument is logical but it is missing the point raised by Wish Maker. Yes you are right when you say that as per amendment of 1973 constitution, allocations are made against the AVAILABLE SLOTS. There are slots available but they are deliberately kept vacant for reasons known to the God and Establishment division only. I am quoting wish Maker's statement here According to the news in the most circulating Urdu national daily there are 1136 seats lying vacant in IRS (Inland Revenue Services) only.
True, CSS is certainly a competitive exam but those qualifying it prove their mettle at various stages of it and it is highly unjustified (I would say outrageous) not to allocate the vacant seats to the deserving ones.

P.S That was my own humble opinion, it wasn't meant to challenge anybody's thinking since we are all sailing in the same ship but majority of us lying in the hull are bearing more heat than minority standing on the deck.

I support the plea of Wish Maker but I wonder how can it be translated in to a meaningful action?
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With all due respect brother , your argument is logical but it is missing the point raised by Wish Maker. Yes you are right when you say that as per amendment of 1973 constitution, allocations are made against the AVAILABLE SLOTS. There are slots available but they are deliberately kept vacant for reasons known to the God and Establishment division only. I am quoting wish Maker's statement here According to the news in the most circulating Urdu national daily there are 1136 seats lying vacant in IRS (Inland Revenue Services) only.
True, CSS is certainly a competitive exam but those qualifying it prove their mettle at various stages of it and it is highly unjustified (I would say outrageous) not to allocate the vacant seats to the deserving ones.

P.S That was my own humble opinion, it wasn't meant to challenge anybody's thinking since we are all sailing in the same ship but majority of us lying in the hull are bearing more heat than minority standing on the deck.

I support the plea of Wish Maker but I wonder how can it be translated in to a meaningful action?
I assume you people are not aware of financial condition of this country. When major chunk of our resources go to debt servicing, paying circular debt and salaries and a country where quality of basic necessities like health and education is compromised due to lack of funds, respectable members of this forum are suggesting that govt should recruit more and more. Only because they passed the exam and interview.

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Respected fellow members! Kindly remain strictly relevant to the issue. I might again assert that the core motive of this piece of writing is not to criticize FPSC for all the shortcomings that are found with it but to make our voice heard to those at the helm of the affairs at Establishment Division. It is a simple and just plea that every qualifier has the right to an allocation. No matter he or she stands at no 1 or 788 at the final merit list. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less!

@ Armawaan, Fahad M Mirza, Cheena, Islaw Khan and others! Injustice is injustice no matter what disposition it has. As long as my person is concerned, I cannot take it as a silent bystander. It must be fought with whatever possible methods we have. I’ll write to the press. I‘ll use social media to sensitize the concerned people like you. Everyone knows it is wrong but no one speaks about it. This habit of silence and inaction must be done away with.

Now I have come to an understanding that why people do not take a stand against such an issue of grave national concern. The answer is simple. Because we are told that we are weak and unable to cope with so formidable an adversary (Establishment Division). But when shall we be stronger my respected fellow members? Will it be the next week or next year? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope until the Establishment Division continues with its injustices? I believe we are not weak if we make the proper use of those means which we have with us. Write letters to the editors, spread word of mouth against this injustice that is being unleashed upon us and many before us. As long as, I am concerned, I am already doing my bit. If I could only manage to make people realize that what is being done to them is unfair. Then, I guess, nothing would please me more than this!
Well, brother i believe you are very strong and energetic. And all others are weak and cowards. Thats the reason you are advocating for molding rules for your own benefit. Strength is swimming against all the odds. And the examples you quoted are erroneous. In India, number of people called for interview are twice the number of vacancies. So almost half who make it to interview stage are not inducted in any service. And i believe that comparing US with Pakistan is sheer injustice.
And you have written time and again that its injustice. May i ask which right of your has been violated??????
And by the way, FPSC and ED dont have any enmity with those who are at the end of list neither friendship with those who top it. Nor they will give salaries from their pockets, its just a matter of national interest.
Yes i recognize the fact that there is unemployment in Pakistan and govt is responsible for making jobs available to youth. Perhaps the same energy could be spent on pressing govt to go for new opportunities. Hope you got my point. No offence!
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Agreed with Psycho Empire and Waseem Riaz Khan,

Dear, no offence but it is easier said than done. If they accommodate 788 people and unable to finance them, or pay their salary, then another issue will be raised up. Plus, I have heard that in a particular department, there is a bifurcation of CSS inductees, promotees and lateral hires. So if all the posts are filled by the CSS qualified candidates, what would be the fate of the other two?

So we need to consider various factors. I can understand situation is tough but speculating such demands would only make it tougher.

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I assume you people are not aware of financial condition of this country. When major chunk of our resources go to debt servicing, paying circular debt and salaries and a country where quality of basic necessities like health and education is compromised due to lack of funds, respectable members of this forum are suggesting that govt should recruit more and more. Only because they passed the exam and interview.
Finanial condition of the country, what a logic!!!!! such an argument from a qualifier!!! It seems as if financial condition of the country will drastically improve if these qualifiers are not recruited! It appears as if debts servicing, circular debt etc are only because of these qualifiers!! May i ask a question, what a difference the salary of these qualified people will make where trillions of rupees have been usurped by corrpution? Annual salary of these people will amount to a few millions but corruption swallows billions of rupees on daily basis!! Thousands of people are politically appointed to posts of css cadres but recruitment of meritorious candidates hurt people! The preivious govt issued appointment orders to 60000 people against 2200 vacant seats but hiring of these qualifiers is unacceptable to people!! No offence, this post spontaneously emanated from your post.

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Well, brother i believe you are very strong and energetic. And all others are weak and cowards. Thats the reason you are advocating for molding rules for your own benefit. Strength is swimming against all the odds. And the examples you quoted are erroneous. In India, number of people called for interview are twice the number of vacancies. So almost half who make it to interview stage are not inducted in any service. And i believe that comparing US with Pakistan is sheer injustice.
And you have written time and again that its injustice. May i ask which right of your has been violated??????
And by the way, FPSC and ED dont have any enmity with those who are at the end of list neither friendship with those who top it. Nor they will give salaries from their pockets, its just a matter of national interest.
Yes i recognize the fact that there is unemployment in Pakistan and govt is responsible for making jobs available to youth. Perhaps the same energy could be spent on pressing govt to go for new opportunities. Hope you got my point. No offence!
bro, injustice is that seats are lying vacant but these are not being filled in despite availability of qualifiers.

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I respect everybody's point of view. Every person has a right to express his/her view.But ,as a matter of fact, when vacancies are lying vacant ,then these should be given to the qualifiers. Conversely , people are illegally appointed in the css-cadres ,they do not even know ,how to write an application. This hurts, when qualifiers are not accomodated and people who political influence have jobs in the css-cadres without passing the css -examination.Seriously the previous government crossed all the limits and ignored meritocracy .In addition,corruption of billion rupess is done on daily basis.Its good the government is taking austerity measures but ,these measures should not be taken at the cost of merit ,when vacancies are available,people should be accomodated. If vacancies were not available ,then it would have made sense what the people above are saying regarding austerity measures and financial burden. The government should curtail its non development expendiures rather than thinking of not accomodating these qualifiers on the pretext of austerity measures. I know many people who have been preparing for css since 5 years and it was their 3rd attempt , now they find out that they are not allocated on the pretext of vacancies. I believe people should support our cause.One feels the pain only when one goes through that pain .Besides, this time there has been alot of political influence during interviews .I am not saying this but i have heard this from many people .I wish rana bagwandas conducted our interviews. There was always a question mark on Malik Asif Hayat's credibility. I know a friend from Punjab who was competent , he has a written score of 708 and he has been given 110 marks in the interview.I really feel for him and cannot understand ,why he was given so low marks. Anyways , God knows if such irregularities have occured or not . Everyone would be answerable to ALLAH on judgement day...
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