We are moving forward.Change will occur.It is inevitable.People need to take a stand for themselves.It is not punjab who stops sindh govt. or any other provincial govt. from using their development or non development budget on their people.

Yes, people are naive and the solution to that is education.
Lastly, what are you doing for us? And what am i doing for us? This is what matters.

This is not an army vs Politicians debate.

seriously ??? then y did you use word civilian in this sentence ???


Had that been me as a civilian i would have been behind bars.I am not inferior to anyone then why these double standards? __________________

When i say civilian i am talking about a common man.Everyday, in courts, hundreds of cases are run on account of corruption by a common man.In some cases justice is served and in some, not.

SO Has army to do with all this fuss ...???? who denies justice by delaying it ??? who adjourn cases ??? the problem my dear is in our justice system which has nothing to do with army


Right is right and wrong is wrong.Nobody in army or any person in a govt. sector job can tell me about his status because it is my money that they feed on.

Thissss thing has penetrated so damn much that we fear challenging it .. In Alakh nagri an incident has been told which I am typing here in Roman :

ek roz Gen. Ayub ko walida ka peghaam mosool hua k ilaaqay ka patwari mujse 100 rupay liya krta tha , abb 100 naii leta , kehta hy tera beta badshah bn gya hy abb tou me 1000 se kmm naii lunga.
Is baat pr Sadar Ayub ghbra gaey , unhe baat smjh na aai . unhon ne shahab ko bulaya takay mshvrah len.
Shahab ne kaha : patwari theek kehta hy , use 1000 rupya de den
Sadar Ayub ghussay me bolay : toh kya aap rishwat kow jaiz smjhte hyn???
Shahab ne kaha : me rishwat kow boht bura smjhta hun , lekin iss qism k lein dein abb dastoor bnn gaey hyn. legalize hogey hyn. is rasam ko torrne k leye sabar darkaar hy

I appreciate what has been done.I need more to be done what has been done is not fair to the complete extent.Dismissing anyone on account of corruption is not a punishment.When someone loots it means that they are rendered unfit for job.

True that ... But I want mega scandals be probed into instead of just mud slinging and politicking ... Army has an accountability system of its own .. What I am looking forward for is to inquire panama leaks and to hold these BEYNATHAY BAYL accountable ..

Last thing as a Pakistani i will deal with politician's corruption in my own way as i am dealing with army's.One's corruption is not an excuse for the other's.
Army has been corrupt as an institution, it is and it will remain to be.What we need to do is to maintain proper controls.No institution is sacred. Criticism is what keeps you clean so no fear.

As far across the board accountability , I 100% agree with you but calling Army a CORRUPT INSTITUTION is absolutely wrong .. corrupt elements are every where but that doesn't mean whole the institution should be declared "CORRUPT" ...

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I Am The Captain Of My Soul .. !
--- Nelson Mandela ..

Bro jb koi army general supersede hota hay to likha jata hay k " Gen...... resigned from army but the reality is quite different from it..... they just gone on LPR........ aik sal ki lambi chuti with full pay....... and for this you can read Musharaf's " In the line of fire" in which he told about Ali Quli Khan....... Dismissed to koi bhi benefit nehi milta...... jb k compulsory retired ko full pension, GPF, and medical facilities milti hein.,.........

One more thing " mein bhi yehi chahta hu k jo bhi corruption kry usy publicly latka dena chahyeee khawa wo politician ho, kisi dept ka naib qasid ho, Cheif justice ho, COAS ho ya PM..... laken yeh kehna k politician galt krty hein to is chez ko jwaz bna kr ap kisi dosry k galt kam ko support kro to yeh bhi galt hy na.......

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Irady jin k Pukhta houn, Nazarien jinki Khuda pr houn
Tlatum Khez mojo se wo ghabraya nehi krty

Corruption kaheen bhi ho , it should be dealt with iron hands ... NO ONE But headless political workers defend the blunders of their Betters by alleging others ...
Falan ney bhi toh yeii kiya ha ..

What I said is that if we don't want to appreciate the step taken, then instead of converging whole attention upon criticizing the said dismissals,we should rather demand accountably of corrupt govt. officials as well .. It neither stops you from holding corrupt elements in army accountable nor does it DEFEND the corruption out there ..

Regards

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--- Nelson Mandela ..

Stranded Soul

Again it's not an army vs politicians discussion.I don't know how using the word civilian makes it an army vs politician debate.

Additionally it is also not army vs judiciary debate.I am just emphasizing on the fact that everyone should be treated equally in front of law, no discrimination.What, when, right, wrong, and how judiciary works is a separate thing.

I am not afraid of challenging anything, neither should anyone else be.What people are afraid of is change.They need help to take the first step and then they will take it from there.Stick to what is right, it is not complicated at all.Take a stance, be firm.No bullshitting.

Listen, we bash politicians all the time and no ones does it more than me.I have reached to a point where i use abusive language against them on public forums and which is not who i am but my blood pressure goes out of control.In the same way i will criticize army.There is a lot of corruption in army, just deal with it.I am not going to play nice boy for army.It is our army and i want it clean and neat 100%.They are doing a very good job right now but that doesn't mean they have a free hand and no one can raise fingers on them.Punish the corrupt army officers and don't let them go.

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Again it's not an army vs politicians discussion.I don't know how using the word civilian makes it an army vs politician debate.
Additionally it is also not army vs judiciary debate.I am just emphasizing on the fact that everyone should be treated equally in front of law, no discrimination.What, when, right, wrong, and how judiciary works is a separate thing.


NEIHER IS IT ARMY VS CIVILIAN DEBATE, THEN ..
I find so much correlation when you demand That Rule of Law .. you cant , then , sideline Legislature , Executive and Judiciary ..
HOW JUDICIARY WORKS IS NOT A SAPERATE THING,BUT ACTUALLY THE EPICENTRE ... How can you demand justice without questioning the role of judiciary ..
put army aside for a second , forget that dismissal for a moment , and tell me who is the main culprit behind this discriminatory behavior of justice ???


I am not afraid of challenging anything, neither should anyone else be.What people are afraid of is change.They need help to take the first step and then they will take it from there.Stick to what is right, it is not complicated at all.Take a stance, be firm.No bullshitting.



Agree with that ... system should be revised .. here again the reference of those three pillars is necessary .. these are like head and when head gives sane commands , whole body works sanely ..

Having said that it doesn't put whole the onus upon em .. other organs also matter. Pardon we but we as a nation are corrupt.. HONEST SIRF VOHI HY JISSKO CHANCE NAII MILTA...
Why so ???
coz we have weak accountability system and here again judiciary is responsible .. You cant acquit judiciary that smoothly ...


Listen, we bash politicians all the time and no ones does it more than me.I have reached to a point where i use abusive language against them on public forums and which is not who i am but my blood pressure goes out of control.In the same way i will criticize army.There is a lot of corruption in army, just deal with it.I am not going to play nice boy for army.It is our army and i want it clean and neat 100%.They are doing a very good job right now but that doesn't mean they have a free hand and no one can raise fingers on them.Punish the corrupt army officers and don't let them go.


100% perfection ki umeed chorr den.. And bash where due ... everyone has right to give his opinion .. cheers

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I Am The Captain Of My Soul .. !
--- Nelson Mandela ..

Dear army officer bht struggle kar k General banty hy, while politicians just ek din k hardwork par minister ban jaty hain, So there is a big difference between them,

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Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time.

What type of struggle? Please elaborate..

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If I am what I have and if I lose what I have, who then am I?

the type of struggle? it is a mix of academic and field ventures. it is a system that is continuously evolving and adapting as it learns along the way. even attempting to explain what an army officer does will be futile.

you got to go and see it for yourself. for starters you can spend six months in Sibi or even one maybe. then you can face north and spend a month in siachen. a month in WANA. a month in Balochistan.

by explanation you will not understand me, but if you have any relatives in Pak army, you must ask from them, they will tell you the whole story. Life in pak army is not easy, they living a very tough life,

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