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facilities like plots in DHA etc have only been taken back dear..... Although compulsory retirement is also a punishment and is given to the employees who have more than 10 years of service
Our Nation is blind as hell dear...

Why no "Court Martial"?

Do you know Army is famous in doing Court martial even if a needle is proven to be earned as corruption...

This is just "Symbolic" showing leaders that be careful...Our Wise Nation still want Martial Law...They have a problem of "Short/Long term Memory Loss"....

Otherwise we have seen hoardings like "Jaaney ki baaten jaaney do"....


With each day of awareness people are getting aware what is happening with this country....And such hoardings will keep on appearing with each up-rise...

World do knows that in the wedding of Daughter of "Dawood Ibrahim", there were all ISI officers...Only Pakistanis have got blinkers on.

Ye saaron ne mil k berha gharq kya hua....

See this news...This is all Bullshit..http://www.dawn.com/news/1253909/the...sual-reticence
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The corrupt army officers should have been after the bars or appropriately punished.Dismissing from job is not a sufficient punishment in fact that is not a punishment at all.

I really admire General Raheel but he just let those corrupt officers go.In fact i was reading somewhere that those officers will still receive pensions and other benefits.

I know what General did is not ordinary but still justice is not served.Had that been me as a civilian i would have been behind bars.I am not inferior to anyone then why these double standards?
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will still receive pensions and other benefits.
Its just a joke...You will get your salary sitting home with all benefits...


I am too much disappointed with the mindset and mentality level of our Public..

And how wise all these people are that they are continuously making us fool from 70 years...Just minus North and Central Punjab from country...All you have is ruin...Ignorance and Poverty...And they have set in their mind that this will never change forever...

My Sindhi subordinate said to me," Saayin tum in sb ko Crore Rupayya bhi de do aur kaho Tabdeeli aarahi he, yeh phir bhi kahen ge keh hmen aj bas daal roti achi khaaney do, tabdeeli gayi bhaarh men"..."Aur Vote bhi Saayin ka...Kalma Shahadat bhi Saayin Peer Saayin Paghaarho ka"...
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facilities like plots in DHA etc have only been taken back dear..... Although compulsory retirement is also a punishment and is given to the employees who have more than 10 years of service
first of all , pension and pension only has not been banned...

secondly if its as easy as said , why don't we see federal ministers being tried for scams ??
above all why hasn't commission been made to probe in panama league ??

is the worth of those leaches more than generals ???

where is much blown trumpet of RULE OF LAW ???

Having said that system of accountability in army is the best in Pakistan .. behind the screen many topnotch officials have to face court martial .. but in civilian institutions JO JITNA BARRA CHOR HY UNI OONCHI SEAT PER HY ...

So please don't mar the glory of this much needed precedent by just shrugging it as an eyewash or by bug picking...

hope you will rather demand the steps of ilk in civilian institutions as well ..

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The corrupt army officers should have been after the bars or appropriately punished.Dismissing from job is not a sufficient punishment in fact that is not a punishment at all.

I really admire General Raheel but he just let those corrupt officers go.In fact i was reading somewhere that those officers will still receive pensions and other benefits.

I know what General did is not ordinary but still justice is not served.Had that been me as a civilian i would have been behind bars.I am not inferior to anyone then why these double standards?
excuse me ...

can you please give me an instance of civilians of this status going behind the bars????

who is involved in nandipur , RPPs , Diesel scam and that disgusting usurpation of necklace , memogate , money laundering and a list of such mega scandals ???
most recently that panama leaks
does anyone give two hoots in even trying em not to say of sending them BEHIND THE BAR ...


SO YESSS DOUBLE STANDARD IS ....
not on vertical basis but horizontal basis ...

and for this your civilian government and their MNA MPAs are main culprit as they back the offenders ..

at least we should laud the step taken ..... IT IS NO TRIVIAL !!!

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COAS has done a very good job, I hope such practice is institutionalised and made very transparent throughout the country. Nobody should be a holy cow and above the law.
Indeed, nobody should be holy cow and beyond the boundaries set out for each. By following this Pakistan can be a leading country in Asia.

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Six army officers have been dismissed, not twelve. Nonetheless, it's an unprecedented move and just goes to show that he truly leads from the front. Bravo!
Well, the source provided above shows twelve and also T.V channels are broadcasting same. No doubt it is first time in the history that action has been taken against such institutions. We hope that all political leaders would be treated same. Waiting for the next turn anxiously.


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My father yesterday told me a story ..

A man went to a spiritual scholar and asked him : what should I do to spread goodness around in this bewildered , disordered , chaotic world???

Scholar replied : Bartan maanjho (wash utensils)

Man, astonished , asked : how do they relate???

Scholar replied : Lo! the way you pay more heed to cleaning the pots from inside thou the decoration is made more by the shining façade , do same with with world .. purge your inner self of impurities first before alluding to prevailing vices ...


sooooo this is what sippa salar is on to , now ...

and the strategy is just awe-inspiring ..

now waiting for moral courage of DEMOCRATIC LEADERS...
Certainly, it is public heart winning action. Now, our Sipah Salar has touched our hearts deeply by taking such action against those which were never expected ever.
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They are dismissed but will get full pension and medical facilities....... Lafzo ki heera pheri hay jnab.... they have only been compulsory retired from government service not dismissed.................
There is a clear difference and value between retirement and dismiss. If this was just formality then what about the respect and status. It has been know to word that Pakistani General has 'dismissed the 12 army high ranking officers'. Here word "dismiss" matter a lot dear.

You must be know to saying that, "Tell a lie once and all your truths become questionable". By following this their entire career past, present and future has been badly effected.
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It's just a political move by the army. Timing is the most important thing in politics and leadership of Army is better than opposition in this regard. See the timing of announcement via so called (askari zaraiey) not by dj ispr. Moreover, it is not an unprecedented move , the new thing is that the army has admitted presence of corrupt elements, otherwise these kind of compulsory retirements are common but not announced publicly. And all the newspapers and channels reported that they will get pensions and medical and this is a clear proof it is not dismissal.
And those are saying that Army is transparent when it comes to investigation regarding corruption then kindly explain me the procedure of investigation . Transparency means everything is cystal clear from outside. question is that why announcement has been made this time??.. Moreover , its not a civil military issue. What is going on in Baluchistan is a open secret. Army ( FC) , bureaucracy and politicians ; all are facilitating and involved in smuggling .
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Retired Maj-Gen Rashid Qureshi says the military “in routine” does not make public information regarding dismissal of its officers or punishment awarded to them.

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excuse me ...

can you please give me an instance of civilians of this status going behind the bars????

who is involved in nandipur , RPPs , Diesel scam and that disgusting usurpation of necklace , memogate , money laundering and a list of such mega scandals ???
most recently that panama leaks
does anyone give two hoots in even trying em not to say of sending them BEHIND THE BAR ...


SO YESSS DOUBLE STANDARD IS ....
not on vertical basis but horizontal basis ...

and for this your civilian government and their MNA MPAs are main culprit as they back the offenders ..

at least we should laud the step taken ..... IT IS NO TRIVIAL !!!

BETTER THAN THAT 'EK MINUTE KHRRAY REHNE KI SZA"
This is not an army vs Politicians debate.

When i say civilian i am talking about a common man.Everyday, in courts, hundreds of cases are run on account of corruption by a common man.In some cases justice is served and in some, not.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.Nobody in army or any person in a govt. sector job can tell me about his status because it is my money that they feed on.

I appreciate what has been done.I need more to be done what has been done is not fair to the complete extent.Dismissing anyone on account of corruption is not a punishment.When someone loots it means that they are rendered unfit for job.

Last thing as a Pakistani i will deal with politician's corruption in my own way as i am dealing with army's.One's corruption is not an excuse for the other's.
Army has been corrupt as an institution, it is and it will remain to be.What we need to do is to maintain proper controls.No institution is sacred. Criticism is what keeps you clean so no fear.
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