@ USMAN

The the conclusion is that Dr. A.Qadeer is hero or Not?

@ Surmount

Thats up to you, but purpose of that post was to disclose "How we treated our HERO (Dr. Khan)".

Dr. Khan is our hero but what WE did for\to him as a nation .

@ USMAN

You are right, Dr. Khan has not been treated as a National Hero, as all the other heroes. Zulfiqar Ali Bhotto, Liaqat Ali etc.

But there's no way out.............He is under the custody of govt. What can be done for him except reminding him in our prayers, remembering him as our hero and later on after his death (I dont mean to be mean, ok?) having a NATIONAL HOLIDAY on his Birthday and giving a tribute to him, that HE WAS OUR HERO AND WE COULDNT RESPECT OUR HERO and IF HE WAS ALIVE TODAY, WE WOULD RESPECT HIM.......this'n'that, while when he is alive now, he is being behaved as a the worst enemy.

The lope of hope has been eloped with our COMMON SENSES.


Just wait for your turn, because when, even the National Heroes are not safe over here, then What would happend to us while we are just ordinary men.

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i have read this whole thread forst time
No Doubt Dr.A.Q Khan is the only hero after Quiad-e-Azam who is undisputed.
Nation love him,pray for him.
We have treated badly with our heroes
i want to clear this concept that for security reason Dr.A.Q Khan has been arrested
Because we can provide him proper security and protocol
And also the concept the our Government did not handed over Dr.A.Q Khan to US because they think that Dr.A.Q Khan is our hero.
nO nEVER
rEASON IS obvious.
Dr.AQ.Khan is never involved personally in Nuclear proliferation.
iT was done by Government so if Now Government hand over Dr.A.Q khan to FBI or US then everything will reveal and Many Generals will be under US targets.
So to keep this secret as secret ,individual was shown as Scape Goat.
and This Government has soften some restructions which is very good and welcoming.
We must compensate else our Generation will never forgive us.

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Six years ago on April 22 Munir Ahmad Khan, Chairman of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission for nearly two decades (1972 - 1991) died. He remained unsung but the events of the past few years have vindicated him, even though full vindication is yet to come.

Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto recalled him to Pakistan from the International Atomic Energy Agency where he worked for thirteen years and made him Chairman of the PAEC Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission in 1972. If Bhutto was like Nehru in India in having a nuclear dream, Munir Khan was like Dr. Bhabha, who helped shape the political vision of Nehru for nearly two decades of his stewardship of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission.

As Chairman PAEC Munir Khan created a team which gave Pakistan the mastery of complete nuclear fuel cycle, carried out cold nuclear tests in 1983, and built the tunnels in the Chaghai Mountains of Balochistan for tests 15 years later that were to formally declare to the world the country's nuclear status.

He conceived and planned the Kahuta plant, completed the necessary ground work for it, and built the production plant of uranium gas, the critical feed for Kahuta, through indigenous effort. The uranium production capability saved the nuclear programme when Canada unilaterally terminated supply of fuel for the Canadian built Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP).

He also laid the groundwork for the 300 MW nuclear power plant at Chashma. He also started the building of an indigenous power reactor, that was reported to be complete and operational after his death. Apart from strategic nuclear infrastructure he also built a dozen nuclear medical centres and several nuclear agricultural centres throughout the country.

He also set up training centres, which have since produced thousands of highly trained nuclear scientists and engineers, during the past quarter of a century, and made the nuclear programme self reliant -- one of his crowning achievements. The most noteworthy among such centres is the Centre for Nuclear Studies that made the nuclear programme self propelling and independent -- when he died Pakistan did not have to look elsewhere for trained manpower. The Centre has since become a full-fledged University producing hundreds of trained scientists annually in state of the art nuclear technologies.

Munir Khan shunned cheap popularity and believed that the advertising the Commission's achievements was not in national interest. The boos and jeers of detractors could not provoke him into flaunting his achievements. He too could have sought a shortcut to name, fame and fortune through self projection but he resisted the temptation.

As he wrote in a newspaper article in June 1994, no matter what you say about atomic energy, "you are bound to have front page converge almost effortlessly", but he refrained because, "somebody else will pay the bill while you will harvest public attention."

Newspaper headlines quoting political and scientific figures claiming that Pakistan had joined the rank of world nuclear powers irked him. He was opposed to nuclear rhetoric for personal ends and self-glorification. He distrusted those who brandished modest nuclear capability to create and sustain a feeling of invincibility.

He would often give the example of Israel that was a de facto nuclear weapon state with a delivery system but no scientist, general or politician had exploited it for personal or political gain. "No serving or retired government official in India has yet made a revelation about its nuclear capability and from who and how it acquired the nuclear capability. Why must we say, what we are doing?" he asked in another article.

He knew some in Pakistan were doing so. "The martial law government needed props and stilts to stand tall and legitimate. It decided to use Islam and newly acquired nuclear capability. Who could defeat the combination of faith and high technology? You had the best of the two worlds", he once wrote in a newspaper.

Munir Khan called it 'milking the nuclear cow' and "putting a political foot in the nuclear mouth". He cautioned political leaders thus: "Highly experienced public leaders are not expected to transgress certain limits beyond which national interests are compromised."

When deafening silence and ridicule greeted his pleas for sanity, Munir Khan warned, "Sometimes populist politics can damage the best interests of the country even though they may appear to advance the interests of individuals or parties in the short run", reminding us that the thoughtless advertisement of our nuclear capability in the past had resulted in the application of the Pressler amendment.

Arguing that the Pressler law had gravely undermined our economic development and defence preparedness he warned, "We can ill afford to invite similar embargoes again." This earned him the wrath of his powerful detractors who hounded him.

One bizarre incident showing how he was hounded revolves around the publication in the early 80's of a book "Islamic Bomb" by some foreign publisher. It detailed Pakistan's clandestine efforts to make the bomb and made several mentions in a positive way of Munir Ahmad Khan and also of A. Q. Khan.

It was in the bookstores for some time but just when cold nuclear tests had been conducted and Munir Khan was calling for nuclear restraint, army generals, bureaucrats, government leaders and leading scientists were surprised to receive free copies of the book by post. Why would a foreign publisher want to freely distribute the book in Pakistan?

It soon turned out that in the new edition all positive references to Munir Ahmad Khan had been deleted and replaced with derogatory comments. For instance a reference to Munir Khan as "a patriot and a man who would do anything and everything to bring atomic power and atomic weapons to his homeland", in the original edition, read "Mr. Munir Khan is not a patriot, he would do anything to keep atomic weapons away from Pakistan", in the revised edition. This is just one example. There were several other such references in the new edition, not found in the original version.

The publisher was flabbergasted, disowned the new edition which he said was fake and demanded an inquiry. The scandal was brought to the attention of President Ghulam Ishaq Khan as well. The President was aware of the Byzantine intrigues and it seems that he also knew who were behind it. But he did not order an inquiry.

Who published the fictitious version thus remains a mystery, like the mystery of the fire the Ojhri camp ammunition depot in Rawalpindi, 1988, or the mystery of the Mujahideen climbing the Kargil heights a decade later.

Eleven years ago on April 29, 1994 Munir Khan had cautioned, "We must understand that nuclear weapons are not a play thing to be banded publicly. They have to be treated with respect and responsibility." He then sounded a warning that seems prophetic, "While they can destroy the enemy, they can also invite self destruction."

By "bandying nuclear weapons as playthings" some of us claimed to destroy the enemy. The enemy is not destroyed, but by our irresponsibility in the nuclear bazaar, we have "invited self destruction". Truly Munir A. Khan was the nuclear sage of our time.

He also believed that the ultimate control of the nuclear programme and its command must rest in the hands of civilian institutions. He had studied the command and control structures of other countries and knew the dangers to national security when such controls slipped out of civilian hands. But a serpent of doubt always lurked in his heart.

When under the military rule of General Musharraf the control of the nuclear establishments finally slipped from the civilian to the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) and the demise of civilian control was formally sealed, I could not help feeling that the serpent had bit the soul.

On his sixth death anniversary, as I recall the hopes and fears of this nuclear sage, I also pray with trepidation that his warnings about the dangers resulting from the demise of civilian control do not prove half as true as his warning about "inviting self destruction".

There are times when one prays even for the sages to be proved wrong. I never imagined that on his death anniversary I would be secretly nurturing this prayer.

The writer Farhatullah Babar


DR. MUNIR AHMAD KHAN

A well-known scientist of Pakistan. He participated in various courses of International Institute of Nuclear Technology. He has also served the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vieana. He was the pioneer Chairman Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and worked very hard to establish and consolidate the Atomic Energy Commission of Pakistan.


DR. ASHFAQ AHMAD

Dr. Ashfaq Ahmad is an eminent atomic scientist of Pakistan, who remained Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission for 10 years. He established Global Change Impact Studies Center (GCISC). In recognition of his services, he was awarded by the Govt. of Pakistan, the highest civil award of Nishan-i-Imtiaz.

DR. ABDUL QADEER KHAN

A world fame Pakistani Atomic scientist who excelled in the field of enrichment of uranium. Dr. Qadeer brought the technology of enrichment of Uranium to Pakistan and devised new methods in this field. He established Kahuta Research Laboratories which has now been named after his name i.e. Dr. A. Q. Khan Laboratories. He always worked for his motto i.e. ‘Atom for Peace’.

DR. SAMAR MUBARAK MAND

A famous Atomic scientist who joined Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and became member technology. During his professional carrier he earned specialization in Application of Lasers, Fiber Optics Technology, Nuclear Instrumentation, Nuclear Diagnostics & Missile Technology.He was awarded Sitara-e-Imtiaz and Hilal-e-Imtiaz. At present he is the Chairman of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM).

DR. ATA-UR-REHMAN

A famous scientist of Pakistan who Joined Hussain Ibrahim Jamal Institute of Chemistry Karachi. He has published about 200 research papers which are part of the syllabi in various universities of the world. He was awarded Sitara-e-Imtiaz.


Can you add more name into this List

salaam,

Please ad in your list the name of,


Air Chief Marshall Mushaaf Ali Meer,

assassinated in disguise of an accident,

and

General Akhtar Abdul Rehman,

mortrayed with Zia-ul-Haq.

and please consider this that Mr. Munir Ahmad Khan was the one who tried to brush away Dr. Qadir.
Mr. Munir kept on telling Mr. Bhutto that they will soon acquire the nuclear expertise but that was a smookescreen. And kahota plant is not conceived by Mr. Munir but by Dr. Qadir.

regards,

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ISLAMABAD, September 2005: Pakistan Air Force expressing its deep shock over the allegations against Shaheed Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir for having contacts with Al-Qaeda has termed such assertions as baseless.

A statement issued by PAF Thursday said, "Pakistan Air Force is deeply pained by these baseless allegations against our Shaheed Air Chief, who had a proven track record of highest professionalism, extreme patriotism, balanced religious beliefs and above all a person who always put Pakistan first."

In recent days a story has been carried in print and electronic media alleging that Shaheed Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir had contacts with Al-Qaeeda. The story was based on the review, published by "TIME" Magazine, of the book titled "Why America Slept" written by Gerald Posner.

"His soul would be distressed even more since, even the hint of alleged links or activities went contrary to beliefs by which he lived his life. He was a human being of outstanding integrity, wisdom and judgment and would be affronted by even the slightest aspersion being cast on him as a person. Moreover, Pakistan Air Force is a state institution, which has an effective filtering process to block the rise of individuals having extremist tendencies", the statement said.

"While PAF reserves its comments to identify the institutions who must be behind the plot to discredit the professional fighting force of Pakistan, we request the Pakistani nation not to pay any heed to these news which are being circulated to maintain the hysteria related to terrorists and terrorism.

Individuals like Gerald Posner knit any number of scenarios to sell books and magazines by scaring American and Western public. Any sane person knows that non-state actors carried out the attacks on 9/11 and states or governments had nothing to do with the planning or execution of these attacks", the statement concluded.


Mushaf Ali Mir (Shaheed) A jewel of the Walled City

Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir (March 5, 1947 – February 20, 2003) was chief of air staff of the Pakistan Air Force from 20 November, 2000 until his death on February 20, 2003 when the PAF Fokker F-27 he was traveling in, crashed near Kohat, Pakistan. He was succeeded by ACM Kaleem Saadat.

Personal life
ACM Mushaf Ali Mir was born in Lahore, and was one of nine children of a middle class Kashmiri family. His father, Mamu Farzand, was a calligrapher who died when Mushaf was young. He went to Government Wattan Islamia High School, Lahore.


Initial military training
ACM Mushaf Ali Mir was commissioned in the PAF as a GD(P) (fighter pilot) on January 20, 1967. He was a graduate of Flying Instructors School, Risalpur Airbase and Combat Commanders School, Sargodha. His key appointments include Officer Commanding No.1 OCU Mianwali Airbase, Officer Commanding No.33 Wing Minhas Airbase, Kamra, and Base Commander Sargodha Airbase (now called Mushaf Airbase. He did his staff college course, PAF Staff College, Karachi (now PAF Air War College), Faisal Airbase, Karachi. He did his NDC course National Defence College, Islamabad.

Staff Appointments
During his career Mushaf served as the Assistant Chief of the Air Staff (Plans) at the Air Headquarters at Chaklala and also served as Chief Project Director of Project Falcon (F-16) and Green Project Flash (Mirage 2000-5). He was later assigned as the Air Officer Commanding, Southern Air Command based in Karachi and his final assignment before promotion to CAS was Chairman of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board at Kamra.

Chief of Air Staff
ACM Mushaf Mir superseded five senior Air Marshals to become the Chief of the Air Staff. He was promoted by General Pervez Musharraf to become the 16th Chief of the Air Staff on November 20, 2000.

Death (Shaheed) in the Air Crash

On February 20, 2003, the Pakistani Air Chief died along with his wife Bilquis Mir and all other 15 officers, when their Fokker F-27 crashed during a routine flight to Kohat Airbase. The casualties included other high ranking officials of the Air Force including two PSOs (principal staff officers of the ranks of AVMS) and all of Air Chief's personal staff officers including three Air Commodores and one Group Captain. The official cause of crash was given to be pilot error amid bad weather conditions.



Conspiracy theories
According to journalist and conspiracy theorist Gerald Posner, the death of Mushaf Ali Mir was not an accident but an act of sabotage. The author claims in his book Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, that Osama bin Laden struck a deal with Pakistani ISI through Mushaf Ali Mir in 1996 to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. The meeting was blessed by the Saudi's through Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud, the then intelligence chief. However, after 9/11, and reversal of Pakistani and Saudi stances favoring Taliban and al-Qaeda, the three Saudi princes associated with the deals died within days and seven months after that Mushaf Ali Mir's plane crashed near the Pakistan-Afghan border. Prince Turki bin Faisal, on the other hand was removed as intelligence chief and sent as Ambassador to United Kingdom during the same time. No evidence has been bought forward to conclusively proof Posner's account of events. According to some reports CIA was involved in Mir plane crash During his tenure as Air chief, the PAF's F-6 aircraft were retired from service. Some of them were given to the Bangladesh Air Force

Mir opposed musharaf plan to give air bases to Usa after 9/11.

Condolence: Lahore Crops Commander Lt Gen Zarrar Azim condoled ACM Mushaf Ali Mir’s death has expressed his sorrow over the incident. The governor said the death of PAF’s professionals was a national tragedy and the whole nation was shocked at the untimely deaths.


My Sources of information: http://www.paffalcons.com/cas/Air-Ch...af-Ali-Mir.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushaf_Ali_Mir
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-2-2003_pg7_31
http://www.posner.com/Reviews/paf_co...ns_against.htm

Dr. Atta ur Rehman, I dont think he should be in the list, he is STILL serving Pakistan in many ways, his students are working in different science labs of the world, one more thing would like to add, he got 2 awards, Sitara e Imtiaz and Tamgh e Imtiaz. he is the President of chemical society of Pakistan, and one of the most sincere,calm, polite, high educated, down to earth person I ever met in my life, but the problem is attitude of the governemnt, their approach is un directional and the proper useage of funds.God bless our heros

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