I admit that i was a so_called Muslim untill i was in Pakistan,but after spending a coupal of years in UK(London) I was Born again,as a new muslim,a muslim by choice not by default,with ever stronger faith. But when i came back to pakistan,it is so intresting that many people,even my friends,labal meas a "Modren Moulvien",and you know it is becous that i bring religion into my life. "it is better to become humans than angels but it requires much labour" THen most of my friends said that thay offer their Prayers.But the purpus of our being is not only saying prayers or holding to the five pillars of islam,it is much more than that.Yes these pillars are holding the whole building but there is a lot more within and up these pillars.these pillars only provide the starting step,the foundation and the true Islam is in practicing it in its true spirit.

@ Mayna Khan

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we admit that we are Muslims by default (becous we were born in a Muslim family) like 90% of the population but did Not know who the Muslims were?

What made me stunned was this point. I believe everybody knows who Muslims were and are, How they were made and Who made them through what source.
All know this too that they were supposed to Believe in One God, His Holy Book, His Prophets, Angels, The Doomsday and to follow His instructions as described in Holy Quran and Sunnah of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).
Because they are followers of the Only True Religion.
Pardon?
They haven’t lost superiority over others. They will remain superior as long as they are Muslims. They have only brought disgrace to themselves by succumbing to the infidels.
Allah (SWT) has told us in the Qur’aan that He created us for the sole purpose of ‘ibaadah:

“And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except li-ya’budoon [for ‘ibaadah].” (Adh-Dhaariyaat, 51:56)

It was ur parents duty to teach and preach you since ur very childhood and then in ur adulthood it was ur duty to acquire knowledge about Islam.
Its your fault if you never did so but cant really claim that majority do not take pride in being a Muslim. You have got the replies of some members and they shared what they know about religion and they have knowledge just because they are proud to be a Muslim.
Did you yourself tried to follow the instructions? Look within yourself before blaming others.
These are the characteristics told by Allah Almighty in the Quran and in Bible as well. Difference is that they are following them and we are not.

Very well answered by Surmout
Do you need to look around? Aint Holy Prophet (SAW) enough? What about Khulafa e Rashideen, Sahaba Karam, Auliya Karam?

@ Redrose

Disagree with the term “whole new generation”.
The best way to escape is to blame others and our elders for everything. Truth is that the some of us are too stubborn to learn anything from them considering them conservative and by saying “aap ko to kuch pata hi nahin hai”.

I will not say anything about Ulamas but the Khateebs and Maulanas of our age have lost the true spirit.
I believe it protects and I m safe from many evil things since I remain in ablution the whole day and whenever something bad happens intentionally or unintentionally, my conscience keeps on rebuking me unless I invoke Divine forgiveness and recite Astagfaar. The situation of streets cannot be changed by my prayers alone.

I do. I talk to Him and I receive His answers in my Dreams.
Islam makes me proud. My Prophet makes me proud.

So many.
Allah says in Holy Quran:

Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have built it and adorned it, and there are no rifts therein? And the earth -- We have spread it out, and set there on mountains standing firm, and caused it to bring forth plants of beauteous kinds (in pairs). And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops. And tall palm-trees, with shoots of fruit-stalks, piled one over another. (Surah Qaf, 6-7, 9-10).

Allah Almighty (is) mentioning:

"Wa sakhara lakum ma fi-s samawati wa ma fi-l ard jami'ana"

"O! mankind, o My servants! I am giving to you an authority for using (it for) what you are in need."

As the above verses imply, the Qur'an always urges people to think, to reason and to explore everything in the world in which they live. Allah created this universe to be explored. How much we did? Just like every question has some marks in exams, likewise every instructions prescribed in Holy Quran has some marks; for Salah, for Zakat, for every good deed, for exploration, for acquiring education, for Rizq e Halal, for our duties towards parents, towards neighbours, towards strangers, towards poors and there is negative marking also. Out of 100 how many marks are we getting daily?

Mostly our focus is on Prayers. Say them five times a day and u r done. No my dear countrymen. No doubt the first question will be about Salah but It is not everything. We are ordered and bound to do so many things which we have neglected, or we are not interested in or we are ignorant of. Read Quran with translation and tafseer, read good religious books available in the market, seek for knowledge, try to grab something real. We all try to get good education but never craved for knowledge and lack of knowledge is the major cause of our downfall.

@ Mayna Khan

More than Holy Quran, you believed in what you saw.. Who is responsible?

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@ Mayna

About ur post no. 21, dear you should have written that in ur very first post. Had it been there, there would not have so much misunderstanding and criticism.

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@ mayna khan

Dear I am not trying to prove that I am a good Muslim, but I am trying that All of The Muslims are good basically. If some (or more) are bad and call themselves that they are true Muslims, you can't say on their behalf that all of the Muslims are bad ones. And you quoted youself that your don't know why do you say(or offer) prayers.


and then

The link to your sayings is
http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...lims-also.html

Dear mayna Khan, did we talking about Pakistan or Muslims? Well....Yes I am and I proud to be a Pakistani. I am not aggressive nor showing any sort of aggression. Let suppose if I was showing, you can't assume that all of the Pakistanis are aggressive ones. Same is the case with the topic that you say all of the Muslims are fake by acts and sayings. Again I want to quote that don't take those hypocrites as role model of Muslims who are so called. Consider Prophet's personality (SAW), and/or his (SAW) companions, analyze them and then say that are the Muslims having paradoxical personality???

I didn't taunt you even once, but I always try to say that talk about your feelings, rather than saying that how Muslim feel. That is why I said in my first posting taht Use I instead of WE. It wasn't having any single sort of ironical elements.


I didn't showed any anger, agression, antipathy, hymn of hate etc.

ok. I thought it is ISLAM but your saying is confusing me. And I didn't onslaught nor showed any feelings of hatred.

Dear mayna Khan, no one is criticizing not even trying to. But just replying to your questions.

Although that is another issue that some of the young generation ain't getting the knowledge about ISLAM, far from our topic but i would like to answer.
I want to tell you that I know personally such families who used to make their every single child Hafiz-e-Quran, and even their Parents are also Hafiz-e-Quran. But I can't say that every Muslim is making their children Haffazz, same is the fact that we can't say every Muslim of current era is ignorant.

Please quote the complete Ayat-e-Kareema along with reference to the context and clarify that what is Virtue through your point of view but keeping in mind the aspects of Quran?

It means that if you had read Quran by Translation, Hadith, and heard the Qualities of Prophet (SAW) and his (SAW) Companions(RA) and Relatives (RA) then you never made bad Image of Muslims.

[quote]Its very simple Dear, by studying the History of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and His (SAW) Companions (RA).

Its ok Dear I am again and again saying that neither I was aggressive, nor I am angry. You have got freedom to write the way you feel.

Sorry to say, even than you are having such ideas that you don't know why do you offer prayer this 'n' that

It won't be cause you bring religion into your life but because you, sorry to say didn't bring religion into your life completely. I think when you would surely be a true Muslim, ALLAH would also help and would defend you from such people who taunt you.

When ALLAH has made us human, act like human and praise to Him, There is no need to be as good as angels are but just Praise him. He, Who is the Greatest and Master of all and everything.

Dear as Quoted by Last Island, don't assume by yourself nor pay attention to your friend's sayings that what was the purpose of our creation and why ALLAH created and sent us to Earth but pay attention to Quran that HE created us for praising to Him. Plus you can do as much good deeds as you can, but if you don't Praise to Him, everything is useless. And the very best way to Praise Him is to Say/Offer Prayer (Namaz) as we would be questioned on the Day of Judgment, first of all about Namaz.

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Many thanks to Last Island for explaining thinngs. What I want to say is that environment plays vital role in personal development and i will discuss this topic InshaAllah when I will have full knowledge of islam.


Thank you once again.

Respected Surmount and Last Island, i already say thanks,but once again i want to say thanx both of u and all the members.I dont know from where i should start, becous there are many questions in my mind.i think you will understand my feelings,when you will go through my situation. my question was why Muslims were declared a superior nation?? Means i know thay were superior.my ques doest mean that im against this realty. 2nd why we have lost our Superiority??? according to Last Island,we are still superior,if we are then pls ans my few ques.

Why do we need non-Muslims to teach us human rights?The detailed guidelines provided by the Holy Quran on human rights including Rights and obligations of children,women,parents,poor,elders,etc.are the best guidelines available today. why do we need United nations to teach us about the environment? Dont we know the Islamic teachings about environment, custodianship concept and plantation? Why do we need Americans and Europeans to tell us what sort of a political system we should have in our country? Dont we know how the earlier Islamic states were run? DOo we know what those guidelines are? Why we need non-Muslims to teach us good Governance? Do we lake examples, teaching and experiences in the Holy Quran and the Muslim welfare states? There are many other Questions.

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my question was why Muslims were declared a superior nation??

Allah states that the Ummah of Muhammad is the best nation ever,

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@ mayna khan

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Who the Muslims were?

Who the Muslims were……???!!! Isn’t there any Muslim, anymore?

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What were they supposed to do?

They were and they are; supposed to Worship Allah alone, to ask for good deeds and to forbid from the forbidden acts. Allah Almighty has created ‘man’ to worship Him.

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Why were they declared a superior Nation?

Because they followed the path prescribed by Allah Almighty and led their lives in the light of Islamic code of conduct.

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Why did Muslims become what they became?

I’d just quote a stanza of Dr. Allama Iqbal:
Wo moo’az’az thay zamane mai muslaman ho kar
Aur tum kho’waar ho Tariq-e-qyran ho kar

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Why have we lost our Superiority over others?

The Muslims have lost their superiority because they’ve left the path of Allah Almighty and the path of Islam. They get inspired by the west and their civilization; without going to the depth and realizing that those etiquettes, manners and politeness is nothing but a teaching of Islam.

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I used to say my Prayers but never knew, why.

A prayer is to show our obedience to the orders of Allah and an acceptance of the fact that we submit to HIM and also to strengthen the “creation’s” relationship with the “Creator”.

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Like the majority, I also never took Pride in being a Muslim.

Kindly exclude me from this ‘so-called majority’…… I shall be grateful!!!
I’m thankful to Allah Almighty Who has made me a Muslim.

The Beautiful Word is ALLAH. The Sweetest Name is MOHAMMAD. The Most Beautiful Message is AZAAN. Best Exercise is NAMAZ. The World Perfect Book is The HOLY QURAN. And we’re lucky because we’re Muslims! Sad-Shukar-Ya-Ar-Hamur-Ra-Hee’meen!!!

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In my childhood i could not make any Muslim role models. There was a big contradiction between what was there in a Holy Quran and what i saw in my daily life.

Did you ever try to study the life of our Holy Prophet SAW? Is there even a single contradiction in, what is written in the Holy Quran and what was practiced by our Holy Prophet SAW? At least, I don’t find.

Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran:
“Tumharay liay tumharay Nabi SAW mai behtar’een namoona hai.”

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When we grew up and went to the college, we were taught books written by American and European authors that Reinforced the childhood myth that they were better educated and Knowledgeable and so we read their books.

As a matter of fact, the westerns use the books of Muslims scholars of the early ages of Islam; for higher researches in the fields of science, trigonometry, astrology etc etc at their universities. The wrist watches, the measurement of time, the radius of the earth, the circumference of the earth, the law of gravitation etc etc put forward by the European scientists also make use of the principles laid down by the Muslim scholars. The western world uses the knowledge encompassed by the Holy Quran for very high level researches. Now……… who is/was better in terms of knowledge??? Is there any room left for comparison???

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So the image i had about Muslims was also based on what i saw.

There are two things… One can be seen and the other that can’t be seen. What can be seen is temporary and what can’t be seen is eternal.
Those who easily get inspired by the attributes of the west don’t spare a few moments to read about the lives of the Sahaba-e-Karaam, Auli-aa-Allah, the great Sufis of Islam and other successful Muslims.

Allah Almighty Says in the Holy Quran:

“Tum un tam’aam umatoon mai se behtar’een umat ho jo logon par (duniya mai) zahir ho’een. Naiki ka humkam daitay ho, bura’ee se roktay ho aur Allah par emaan rakhtay ho.” --- Sura-e-Maa’aida

Moreover, we’re the “umatti” of Hazrat Mohammad SAW, the beloved Prophet of the Creator for whom He created the whole unlimited universe. Isn’t it a matter of pride for us???

Who says that we’re the worst nation when Allah Almighty has declared as the best nation? He knows what we don’t know. There must be some wisdom of Allah Almighty behind His saying and His sayings would stand true till the dooms day.

Hopefully your questions are answered... & Sorry in advance, if I've been harsh somewhere.

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You can't have a better answer than given by Last Island



Yes We are still superior, all we need to do is to feel it that we are Muslims and we are superior. If any of Muslims don't feel one's ownself superior, s/he should study the History and would surely get that we were superior and we.

Let me quote a proverb

If one feels oneself inferior, one is inferior and people would also prove that.


MS, your have been answered already a couple of times that we have been given a Perfect Book by ALLAH, which have every single query to our problems. If one is not having a vision, or even common sense would not be able to find out such things. That is the specific reason that some of
so called Muslims used to hire Western educated teachers who used to have a base of Muslim scholar's Knowledge and research work of Quran. So its the fault of such parents that they don't know the fact.


Because they have studied and understood Quran for research purpose. Who would understand it, won;t need ask from them anymore. They used to give back our OWN KNOWLEDGE.


They have implied the constitutions of Muslims, that is why they are succeeded and used to give help.

Those ones are welcome as well.

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@Mayna
U c a soft soul like Last Island reassured u again of this Forum's abysmal liberal depths in terms of patience and freedom of opinion.

Sensitivity is but beauty and when the world turns harsh to sensitivity,it does spoil beauty within n without..Thank ur angels buddy that throughout all this post n lined threads,u are still gently cushioned against ur own innocent mumblings in a world already beyond moon and on the cross of clash of civilizations...I but appreciate all those who proved to be beautifully moderate to this Mayna's at times so rash religious remarks.....K BUSS!!

Last Island,u did make a mark by ur balanced reason..commendable..kp it up.

This forum is indeed now reflecting our ideology as well.m real happy to see so...for few months bakk there wd have come some religio-con n snubbed poor Mayna for his/her innocent pleas....n matter upto Lord Stuff...i mean examplery patience exhibited by all on this particual thread has no doubt make me re-think that WE R INDEED ISLAMIC DEMOCRATS...KEEP IT GUYS,PLEASE FOR THESE ARE THE MANNERS A MUSLIM'S SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD MEANT FOR.

Regards