There should be no quota system in the examination of CSS for obvious reason that it belongs to the federal affairs and the eligibility must be determined on one’s ability .
The quota system can be tolerated at the university level. Abolition of quota system brings a positive competition among the students.
The matter of representation of the provinces in the federal affairs is solved by providing them appropriate representation in the upper and lower houses. A bureaucrat is a professional serving his nation in his/her best way irrespective of his domicile . The quota system also inflames the provincialism when the people are allocated on the provincial distribution of seats .
A lot of candidates are not going to be allocated yet inferior quality people as compared to them will get the seats in the prestigious institution just because of their domicile . Isn’t this against the Islamic values? The preference is given only on the basis of their birth place not on the intellectual capacity that is laid for the selection of the CSPs .

The quota system does seem harsh but i think it is one of the few benefits which the federation of Pakistan has given to the lesser developed Federating Unit. We being the direct effecties do resent it some time but when we ponder over its long term effects, think that it should stay intact. Further more i think these are the reasons why the quota system should stay;

• The standard of education in other provinces is much lower than that of Punjab.
  
• There is an acute shortage of Institutions which impart quality education to the aspirants of Central superior services.
  
• There is a sense of deprivation in other provinces. If the quota system is abolished most of the vacancies will be occupied by Candidates from Punjab and hence will increase anti Punjab sentiment in other Provinces.

Having said this i think that some people may think that it is against the merit system and it happens that Candidates from other provinces who are much lower in merit than their Punjabi counterparts do get allocated and the Punjabis are not able to get allocated.But i will advise them to look in a broader canvass, it is better for the already fragile Federation of Pakistan.

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Rightly said.
but As the education system throughout Pakistan is not of same standerd. one can easily categorize the four province students.
i think the interviews and psyclogical tests of such candidates who come in quota system should be such that may really test their abilities. Education shortage can be ignored but leadership qualities cannot be ignored.
well this is my suggestion

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dear i appreciate your sensations, but dont you think that without getting 50% marks and without passing all subjects in css , one cant b a csp.
secondly if a person pass the exam than we can say that he has abilities and capabilities...there is quota system but after all that one has to pass through the selection criteria.... so dear if u think analytically there are many many things and on the basis of these things quota system was introduced. ..in quota the population is considered.. in our country the facilities are also not distributed uniformally. look at balochistan if one is seriously ill than he is brought towards karachi or some where else for treatment...likewise standard education facilties are also lacking there ,and that province has abt 6% quota...i am also not fevour in quota system in sindh as they have distributed that quota in sindh urban and sindh rural, and urban seats are not filled completly due lack of interest of sindh urban candidates so in sindh urban and rural system shoud b end. . . . in punjab competition is high and its increasing day by day so those cadidates do face prbl during their allocations..competition in nwfp is also increasing... . so quota is important in this way that all the provinces participate and their participation represent the issues and prblms of concerend province at high level....there are also many other things aswel because of them the quota system introduced...i am pakistani and i dont want the interprovincial problems in pakistan, as v are facing now days like on NFC award, water issues etc...so if quota system ends than this would b an other issue..........
regards

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The arguments rendered above by the gentlemen is no doubt represent their good faith and affiliation with Pakistan . But this amounts to the laissez-faire policy . The quota system is kept alive to keep the provincial politics on the zenith.

As a matter of fact there are many areas, within a province , which are still like the slums of 19th century . If the purpose of the quota system to bring the backward in a good position , then why shouldn’t be implemented on the district rather sub-divisional level?

The quota system is not beneficial for a candidate who belongs to far-flung areas , like Tonsa,Rajun Pur and Bhkar , when he sits in the competitive exams with a aspirant from Lahore . The above mentioned arguments succumb when such a situation arises within the provinces. What about a Changi ( Balochistan ) candidate who is there with a competitor from Quetta ?
Hence the quota system is only a tool for provincial politics. The advocates of quota system should ask for better educational infrastructure for the poverty ridden areas instead of accepting it as a necessary evil.
In the history of Pakistan we see that quota system is always employed to appease the political opponents . The most ridiculous example was that of telephone connection quota used to lie with the MPAs in the early 90s . No need to elaborate about the jobs quota on the possession of our lovely representatives sitting under the roof of air-conditioned parliament house and pondering over the ‘problems’ of the Awam who is following them blindly with little knowledge of what lies ahead .

Snake:

You maybe righteous in your perception that the quota system deprives some aspirants to be allocated but infact in a broader view the quota system is a better way to introduce people from the isolated areas mostly in Sindh and Balochistan to the civil services. If this system is abolished it will be a serious blow to the already questionable provincial harmony. There are enumerating reason for which quota system cannot be abolished.

• It can be a reason to create provincial disharmony.
• The candidates from far flung areas when become CSP's can serve better when transfered to their own divisions/districts as they have immense knowledge of their respective areas.
• It is a comprehensive system if seen on provincial level as mostly the Universities are made in Provincial capitals and it also has a quota system for the students who belong to the distant districts so they are provided with equal opportunities to be well educated.

there is difference between provincial quota which based on territory and the quota of jobs which is usaully given to the parliamentarians. i am also not in the favour of that quota which is usually given to political people.
regards

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Snake:

Candidates from provinces except Punjab who make it to Superior Services can not be called 'intellectually incapable' as long as they qualify the basic passing requirements of CSS exam laid out by FPSC.

Besides the comparison is also uncalled for because conditions are uneven all over Pakistan as Mr. Mumtaz Hayat sahib has already pointed out. Quota system is essential for protection of backward areas and their representation.

However I do like your suggestion of applying quota on District basis. It's a good idea as well. But in that case, the federal government must carry a lots of vacancies due to unavailability of suitable candidates.

Regards.

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This is the main difference which we have to remove before anything else is to procede normally.

In my point of view, The quota system abolishes the reach of people of greater capacity and aptitude from the desired positions. Thus damaging the over all stucture.

Esp. in the CSS exams it shouldn't be so because these exams are not given from the syllabus which a student from Punjab or Sindh or NWFP or Balochistan studies at his school,college or university level. Its basically the test of intellegence, gen. knowledge, quickness of mind, persona and wit which happens to be a natural gift and nothing that is infused via educational system.

A person from Punjab secures, say, 30 position all over PAKISTAN. He would not likely be given his top preference but a person who would be 130 in PAKISTAN from any rural area, attempting the same paper, will be given his top priority. It simply doesnt sound just, does it?

[QUOTE]On the contrary i think that the quota system has been adopted to give something to the dissenting voices and cut short the work of hate mongers.As i have already mentioned that the quota system is one of the few concessions that the establishment has given to the federating units. This way we give them a feeling that they have some stakes in the federation. It is here i guess that we see the difference in the vision of an ordinary being like us and statesmen.
I agree that the standard of education should be raised all over.But till such time the education standards become similar the quota system should stay intact. I can not comprehend the reason that why some people think that Muslim demand for separate electorates ( Pre-Partion ) was right and oppose the provincial quota in Pakistan, as the demand for separate electorate was too a large extent a product of the thought that Muslims were less educated and less developed than the Hindus. ( some people may think i am generalizing a bit too much).
Secondly, as if the already Provincial ethnicity was not enough, you want the quota system to be applied at Divisional level?.Where do we go from there?After all there are some districts which are less developed than others?so we should start fighting for our rights at District level as well!
The quota system that you are talking about here is about the number of Jobs a MNA or a MPA used to get or are still given. I do not see any harm in it.As the jobs are mostly of Grade-1 that is of peons, potters etc and these jobs are given to the common man. what if they vote for A and not B? Aren't they the citizens of Pakistan? Don't they deserve the jobs as well?
Telephone Quota was not given to MPA's, it is a federal Subject and was given to MNA's. In those days telecommunications were not so developed as they are now a days.Therefore only a number of connections were issued annually.What if a small fraction was given to the people whom an MNA recommended?After all they were elected by a large majority.

I do not want to continue arguing.All i want to say that you have all the right to say and think what ever you want to, but please rise above personal level and think in terms of a Pakistani.I hope you will understand it then.

Regards

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