My Point is actually for Rights

If Rights will be given to our own people so why they asked for all this

Saraikistan

Why not federations take step like
CSS Quota is
50% Punjab
Make it 10 % only for Saryake people or for minority who is living in southern Punjab


Or any step like that for national assembly too

Let the Saryake people comes front to solve out their own issues



Punjab


1st let me clear i am not against the people i am against the system

In senate last day it was hot issue
In Planning Commission they are is not single member from all other three proviences

All the members is from Punjab

Do you think those members know even a single percent ground realties of Balochistan I guess even don’t know about ABC of Balochistan

So what rolled they play for planning of Balochistan

Well, Siraiki province is to be made by prime minister gillani.... This is sumthng no1 wil believe.. B4 going into the discussion of a new province,s pros and cons, i wud say that in pakistan people,s party today i see no leader who can even think of such a huge step.. The leader 'Mr. Asif zardari' cudn,t win a national assembly ticket frm benazir,s PPP. Tht,s y today he has to crosscheck his written speech of 3 mins duration sum 100 times b4 going public. Federal govt today can,t even ordr a beauraucrat transfr in punjab wthout the consent of sharif,s. And pml(n) wud never allow a punjab split knowing it,s a plan to dismantle their strong electoral fort.. Moreover, the current situation in pakistan doesn,t allow such a step, not to forget a relatively minor issue of name for nwfp whch is stil hangng. And in my view anothr province wil never ease the grievances, it cn make them more helples coz they wil get nthng more, only their share to be split frm punjab. And v can,t aford anothr balochistan!!

Thanks for raising such an interesting issue. What i have deduced from the discussion so far is that some elements in minority sub nations in pakistan are demanding more resources for their areas. The method they have been adopting is to demand for separation of their areas from majority dominated province. Sirakistan is one such demand, while i have heard voices of hazara province, karachi and pashtonistan (balochistan) provines.

Their main theme for voicing such a demand is injustice done by majority. So the main reason being injustice. Although we now have an independent judiciary, but it is not the substitute of functions being performed by executive and parliament, where majority due to their numerical strength can mould decisions according to their way. Also the history of injustices (true or false) done to them as being orchestrated by those minority leaders do have an effect.

If one say that with a strong centralized system, a country can survive. It seem illogical because the cohesive factors in a state depends on the economic and political harmony within its citizens. If at any time these people feel that their economic and political intersts will collide with others, they will certainly demand for more share in the decision making mechanism of state apparatus.

Thus if people desire more share within the limits of constitution, then they should be heard. I would say that a referandum can be done to ascertain people point of view. As far as current situation of terrorism is concerned, then this issue can be postponed for a little while and when stability establishes, further steps could be taken.

Regards

.It is good for securing the culture of siraeki region that is very rich. it will also reduce grievances of smaller provinces against punjab.

hi,

BEING A siraki some how i agree but before siraki im pakistani so its fine.
but regardless he sepearte province wether form or not , we all must appreciate the knowledge sharing efforts of Faraz. i usually find his share in forum very positive. being a siraki i really didnt know some things but thanks to faraz, he brifely but comprehensively tells .

i appreciate your efforts to give some thing new topic for discussion

wish u best

It seems that we are being cut in to pieces by a third force to suck out our unity which is our strenth.

Quran says: Hold the rope of ALLAH firmly and do not indulge in discords.

“Woh Millat Roh jis ke La Say Aagay Berh nahi sakti
Yakeen Jano Hua Labraiz us Millat Ka Paimana”

Once Allama Iqbal Said: “ The Muslims are a nation by every right to establish their separate homeland. They can adopt any mean to promote and protect their economic, social, political and cultural interests”. (The concept of a nation shows unity factor among Muslims)

“Dhoondnay wala sitaroon ke guzar gahoon ka
Apnay Afkaar ke Manzil ka Safar Kar na Saka”

Once Quaid-e-Azam Said: “ In unity lies strength. So long as we are united, we emerge victorious and strong. If we are not united we shall become weak and disgraced. We are all Pakistanis. None of us is a punjabi, sindhi, balochi, pathan or bengali. Everyone of us should think, feel and act as a Pakistani and we should feel proud of being Pakistani alone”.

Quaid-e-Azam was extremely against provincialism. After creation of Pakistan attempts were made from certain quarters to misguide the people. Sentiments of provincialism and racialism were aired to create administrative problems for Pakistan.

It is highly melancholy that we are naming our territories after regional languages which are basically derived from Aria’s language sansikrati. It is proved that whole of the regional languages of subcontinent erupted out of sansikrati in different forms according to the suitability of regional circumstances and cultures. Aria’s were basically Budhmat koum. And we are naming our provinces after these ancient languags which have nothing Islamic in there skirt.

“Tan Ba Taqdeer hai Ajj Un ke Amal ka Andaaz
Thi Niha Jin ke Iradoon main Khuda ke Taqdeer”

In the current running crisis we need to be united rather then to make more provinces or to let people indulge in petty issues of punjabi, pathan, sindhi, balochi or seraiki. At this point of juncture everyone of us need to think, feel and act as a Pakistani.

“Hawas Nay kar Dia hai Tukray Tukray Noh-e-Insan ko
Akhuwat ka Bayan ho ja Muhabbat ke Zuban Ho ja”.

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Assistant Security Officer- BS-16
Ministry Of Defence, GHQ.

@
Junaid Khan

You yours self get agree on the monopoly of Punjab

That even can’t federation Govt play role to do transfer of any one in Punjab
What is going on in Balochistan it just fault of federation?

So federation should give they rights to people who is minority other wish it will remain a issue always as it was



I don’t know but on my personal experience that people all other provinces do not like Punjab and I guess it’s quite true

Now why

We must think on it

Humi

Thanks for the compliment

Shah

Brother you describe very well all this

But Issue is still there we are not doing equally justice with all the provinces this will surely already created hatred against Punjab

Go to interior Sindh you will find

Come to Balochistan here you will fine more than 100%

NWFP you know better

So

Its time to give freedom with Justice

So we will stay as united

We must respect minorities

We have seen once already when we didn’t give respect to Bengalis

Note:

some one saying to me that you are saryake that's why you are favoring them

i am not saryake
but this is matter of justice and injustice

we must respect all the communities being Muslim
it what our religion tell us

Thank you

Dawn June 23rd Tuesday

BAHAWALPUR, June 22: Senator DURRANI: Muhammad Ali Durrani has demanded implementation of the late Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s announcement regarding allotment of a 12 ½ per cent CSS quota to the Bahawalpur division.

Addressing a public meeting, Mr Durrani raised the demand which he had never bothered to highlight during his PML-Q’s rule.

The late Bhutto during his whirlwind tours as president and prime minister of various cities of the Bahawalpur division had announced several concessions for the division.

Mr Durrani said Bahawalpur had been the most neglected and backward area in the country for decades as the successive governments overlooked its genuine rights.

He admitted that he had committed many mistakes during his rule and that after leaving Islamabad he would try for the restoration of Bahawalpur province.

He also said the Indus River Water Treaty had deprived the Bahawalpur area of the water of the river Sutlej.


Dawn Web Link:-
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Dawn 24th June 2009 (Wednesday):
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LAHORE, June 23: Highlighting deprivations of southern Punjab, more than a dozen MPAs belonging to the region demanded that they should either be given rights or a separate province as Law Minister Rana Sanaullah challenged that the deprivations of the area were, in fact, because of its ruling elite.
Taking part in the budget discussion in the Punjab Assembly on Tuesday, Sirdar Hasan Gorchani alleged that the allocations promised in the budget were never utilised, regretting that all the resources were being directed to Lahore and other central Punjab districts.

Criticising demands for making the Punjabi language a medium of instruction, he said it would further create division among other races like Balochs and Pakhtoon residing in the province.

As he declared that the southern Punjab being the major revenue generation area be given its rights or made a separate province, around 18 other MPAs (from the region) present in the house at that time hailed him and raised their hands in support.

Senior PPP parliamentarian Syed Nazim Shah took the floor to put the historical perspective in which Multan had always remained a separate province under the Delhi government except when the British ruled the subcontinent.

Smelling a rat in the timing of the demand, PML-N’s Waris Kallu said it was a sheer conspiracy to raise controversial issues at a time when the country was the target of international plots and a fullfledged war was being fought on the western frontiers.

He also asserted that the present government was bearing the brunt of wrong policies of the previous government, of which he had been a part as parliamentary secretary, as it had directed the funds towards the central Punjab mega projects -- Lahore Ring Road and Lahore-Sialkot motorway.

The use of word ‘conspiracy’ angered Gorchani who exchanged a word with Kallu as supporters of both of them created tumult, ignoring orders of the chair to keep order in the house.

PML-Q unification bloc’s Ijaz Shafee suggested that the house should pass a resolution urging Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who belongs to Multan, to give a special package for the area to bring it on a par with other regions of the province.

Senior Minister Raja Riaz (PPP) saw no need for such a measure as, according to him, the premier had already initiated some projects there while the Punjab government also was spending Rs11.5 billion under two separate heads for various uplift projects in southern Punjab.

The law minister suggested a day-long discussion to ascertain the elements responsible for backwardness of southern Punjab. He argued that the province had been ruled mostly by the leaders from the cotton belt who wished not to stay in their areas and had instead made Lahore their abode.

“They are Lahoris and do not have the right to speak for southern Punjab or declare that they are ‘prisoners of Takht-iLahore’.” MPA Malik Sher Ali from Attock said unlike southern Punjab his belt (northern Punjab) was neither given reigns of the province nor development funds. He said the province should be divided into three regions.

Opposition leader Chaudhry Zaheer rightly mentioned that as bifurcation of a province was a federal subject, the National Assembly was the proper forum to discuss the issue. What the provincial house could do is pass a resolution to the effect and send it to the NA, he added.

Referring to Malik Sher’s plea, he said if the prime minister belonged to southern Punjab then opposition leader (in NA) Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan was from northern part and both the central leaders could better decide the issue.

lahore, june 23: highlighting depri- vations of southern punjab, more than a dozen mpas belonging to the region de- manded that they should either be given rights or a separate province as law minister rana sanaullah challenged that the deprivations of the area were, in fact, because of its ruling elite. taking part in the budget discussion in the punjab assembly on tuesday, sirdar hasan gorchani alleged that the alloca- tions promised in the budget were never utilised, regretting that all the resources were being directed to lahore and other central punjab districts. criticising demands for making the punjabi language a medium of instruc- tion, he said it would further create divi- sion among other races like balochs and pakhtoon residing in the province. as he declared that the southern punjab being the major revenue genera- tion area be given its rights or made a sep- arate province, around 18 other mpas (from the region) present in the house at that time hailed him and raised their hands in support. senior ppp parliamentarian syed nazim shah took the floor to put the his- torical perspective in which multan had always remained a separate province un- der the delhi government except when the british ruled the subcontinent. smelling a rat in the timing of the de- mand, pml-n’s waris kallu said it was a sheer conspiracy to raise controversial is- sues at a time when the country was the target of international plots and a full- fledged war was being fought on the west- ern frontiers. he also asserted that the present govern- ment was bearing the brunt of wrong poli- cies of the previous government, of which he had been a part as parliamentary secre- tary, as it had directed the funds towards the central punjab mega projects -- lahore ring road and lahore-sialkot motorway. the use of word ‘conspiracy’ angered gorchani who exchanged a word with kallu as supporters of both of them cre- ated tumult, ignoring orders of the chair to keep order in the house. pml-q unification bloc’s ijaz shafee suggested that the house should pass a resolution urging prime minister yousuf raza gilani, who belongs to multan, to give a special package for the area to bring it on a par with other regions of the province. senior minister raja riaz (ppp) saw no need for such a measure as, according to him, the premier had already initiated some projects there while the punjab gov- ernment also was spending rs11.5 billion under two separate heads for various up- lift projects in southern punjab. the law minister suggested a day-long discussion to ascertain the elements respon- sible for backwardness of southern punjab. he argued that the province had been ruled mostly by the leaders from the cotton belt who wished not to stay in their areas and had instead made lahore their abode. “they are lahoris and do not have the right to speak for southern punjab or de- clare that they are ‘prisoners of takht-i- lahore’.” mpa malik sher ali from attock said unlike southern punjab his belt (northern punjab) was neither given reigns of the province nor development funds. he said the province should be divided into three regions. opposition leader chaudhry zaheer rightly mentioned that as bifurcation of a province was a federal subject, the national assembly was the proper forum to discuss the issue. what the provincial house could do is pass a resolution to the effect and send it to the na, he added. referring to malik sher’s plea, he said if the prime minister belonged to south- ern punjab then opposition leader (in na) chaudhry nisar ali khan was from north- ern part and both the central leaders could better decide the issue.