EID drama in Pakistan

[Islaw Khan]

Eid is approaching and again i think it will be celebrated on different days in differnt parts of pakistan...........WHY?

why this is happening again and again in our one country?

we are called one nation,
our din is one ....Islam.
we worship one ALLAH,
our prophet is one......

then why such differences?

Hamara NWFP ka roza awr EID punjab se ik din pehlay Q? ya punjab ka humaray ik din Baad Q?

why Royyat-e- hillal committee dnt accept the SHAHADAT from NWFP?

how we can finish this EID dramas and moon sighting dramams every year?

[shallowwater]

@ Islah G.

I agree with you that the shahadat from NWFP should be accepted. Its part of the country, not out of it. The NWFP government is right in saying that eid should be celebrated on same day in all parts of the country. It seems ridiculous to be having two or even three eids in one country.

[Islaw Khan]

beaing one muslim nation these issues weaken our unity.

if someone swear for moon sighting then its enough.... no one will ruin his AKHIRRAT for just saying that he sighted the moon.

royyat e hillal have to accept shahdat from all over the country and NWFP is a part of the country.

thanks shallow water.

our chief minister now decided that NWFP will celebrate Eid with SAUDI ARABIA...... we are not part of saudi arabia.... we are pakistani.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by islah_G

Eid is approaching and again i think it will be celebrated on different days in differnt parts of pakistan...........WHY?

why this is happening again and again in our one country?
we are called one nation,
our din is one ....Islam.
we worship one ALLAH,
our prophet is one......
then why such differences?

Hamara NWFP ka roza awr EID punjab se ik din pehlay Q? ya punjab ka humaray ik din Baad Q?
why Royyat-e- hillal committee dnt accept the SHAHADAT from NWFP?
how we can finish this EID dramas and moon sighting dramams every year?

Whether human eye is more efficient or the eye of scientific instrument? Answer to this question is the solution of this disagreement. There were no modern instruments in the primitive ages and human eye was enough to decide about the special events but modern instruments have solved this problem. Geographical location is the main factor. I don’t know the exact reason about this difference of Islamic dates in NWFP and the rest of Pakistan but geographical location may be the one main factor.

Why is there difference of Sahri and Aftar timings among Peshawar, Lahore, Karachi, and other areas of Pakistan? Should we raise objection over this timing difference and demand same timing for Aftar or Sahri? No, it won’t be a sane demand. Same is the case with Eid day, if NWFP people witness the moon sight without any biasness and remaining parts of the Pakistan witness moon sight on different occasions then celebration of Eid on different days is natural. But if it is intentional then it is really deplorable.


Being one nation, from same religion, creature of same Almighty Allah and believing in the same Great Prophet (SAW) don’t justify for the same timing. Timing difference is natural and is from the same Almighty Allah. We can’t diminish it with our efforts becuase it is beyond our control. However; Royyat-e-Hilal Committee should join NWFP people in their area and witness this event for the sanctity of their claim in order to minimize the probability of human error.


Regards

[Arthur]

Being muslims,we must not go in the differneces of days.it breaks the unity of muslim ummah.This Eid should be celebrated as other days of ceremony are celebrated.

[Islaw Khan]

@RAZ
well dear thanx for such a positive somments in favour of Royyat e hilal and science and technology.

u said whether human eye is efficent or the eye of scientific instrument?

here i will say that human eye is efficent because u must have observed the RAMAZAN moon this time......the size of the moon was visible to every one with very bad eye sight also....

u said Geographical location is the main factor......

there is no big difference between islambad and peshawar or lahore islamabad and peshawar.....if this differnce matters for pakistan then we should have eids on differnt days in different parts of even one province....islamabad is near to NWFP not to lahore or multan. awr karachi me phir eid sab se aahkhir me hotee ya queta me.

the difference of sehri and aftar timings is not of hours and days but a few minutes.

so if this is the case according to u then there must b one royat e hillal commitee for every distirct not one for the whole country.

[ramshakhan]

I am strongly agreed with Islah G that Eid should be celebrated on the same day throughout Pakistan. In my view, the difference is in the minds of govts. It has become the mater of ego for some political parties.

Here I am providing geographical factors which are usually considerd during the prediction process of new moon.


The measured sky twilight brightness of a site is believed to be connected with main factors such as
geographical latitude, elevation of the site above sea level, the season of observations and the aerosol pollution.
These factors may decrease the sky twilight brightness and thus improve the crescent visibility limits. The effect of these factors on the visibility conditions to see the new Moon are investigated and the results show that the visibility conditions has improved at sites situated at higher northern geographical latitudes and higher elevation above sea level. The conditions to see the new Moon in winter season is better than the summer season.
The aerosol pollution has a great effect on the visibility of the new Moon at sun's depression 5°, while for sun's depression greater than 5° the aerosol pollution has a small effect.

Crescent spotting at dusk tends to become easier as one moves westwards. This is because sunset times become steadily later when expressed in Universal Time (UT). In fact, in northwest Africa the sun sets approximately eight hours after it does in southeast Asia, and during that interval a New Moon moves an extra four degrees away from the sun - which could make all
the difference between a successful sighting and a failure. Often, a newborn crescent will be much more obvious in the opposite hemisphere, because of seasonal variations in the angle between the ecliptic and the horizon at dusk. In the Northern Hemisphere, this angle is at its steepest during March,
thereby maximising the altitude of the New Moon just after sunset. However, in the Southern Hemisphere, that angle is shallowest in March. Six months later, those relationships are reversed. Thus, it is much easier to spot the crescent from southeast Africa than from Lebanon in September, despite the fact that UT sunset times in those two territories are very
similar during this month.

The height of the New Moon above the setting sun is also affected by lunar latitude.If the moon is five degrees below the
ecliptic in September, then it will be harder to identify it from the Northern Hemisphere. When south of the equator,the problem becomes much worse when lunar latitude is positive during March (because the southern sky is "upside down" when compared with that seen in the north).

The Islamic world does not have a uniform policy regarding the acceptance of crescent sightings from other countries when deciding whether or not to declare the onset of a new month. Many authorities will consider only observations made from within their own national boundary. Furthermore, many Ihna'asheri Shi'ites are happy to abide by reports made even in another continent - provided they can receive such evidence before their own dawn next morning.


Coming to our discussion, have a look on geographical facts

Islamabad location

Longitude: 71.58389

Latitude (DMS): 34° 17' 5 N

Longitude (DMS): 71° 35' 2 E



Peshawar location

geographical location:
geographical coordinates: 34° 0' 28" North, 71° 34' 24" East


saudia Geographic Coordinates

Latitude/Longitude (Capital City)
24º 39' N, 46º 46' E
Relative Location Saudi Arabia, located directly on the Tropic of Cancer, is in both the northern and eastern hemispheres.It's positioned in the Middle East.

(I have provided the location of Saudia (capital) too so that one can guess about the timing difference between pak and Saudia.)
There is slight difference between peshawar and Islamabad but much difference from Saudia. So how can NWFP govt. justify Eid celebrations
with Saudia?
Answer is simple. On political basis.Time difference exists within saudia too but its govt is strong eough to implement same decisions throughout its country.Even , this year, it was announced by the Federal court of Saudia to provide the evidences about sighting of new moon before the announced day by saudi govt. It was announced due to some complaints from masses.
In pakistan, there are certain times when Eid was announced in the last part of the night. Ur parents will confirm these events.

Raz is correct in saying that geo. plays its role and U too in sharing the joys of Eid with other Pakistanis but our wishes are meaningless infront of the interests of our leaders.

I have presented my point of view .U have liberty to disagree.

[floydian]

Originally Posted by islah_G

beaing one muslim nation these issues weaken our unity.

if someone swear for moon sighting then its enough.... no one will ruin his AKHIRRAT for just saying that he sighted the moon.

royyat e hillal have to accept shahdat from all over the country and NWFP is a part of the country.

thanks shallow water.

our chief minister now decided that NWFP will celebrate Eid with SAUDI ARABIA...... we are not part of saudi arabia.... we are pakistani.

I completely endorse your view on the subject and congratulate you on having such an open mind to the comparative analysis and the unity of our country. Hats off...

Now just one more point...There is going to be only one day of Judgement all over and I fear that only then we may agree on this issue. This is because on that day we won't be able to delay it another day.

regards,
floydian

[qayym]

Good research by all, especially by Raz and Ramshakhan

In recent past, I attended 2 conferences in Lahore and Islamabad concerning suicidal attacks and implementation of tax on birth of 3rd child (Govt is planning); During free hours/ breaks, I discussed this matter with few religious scholars including few members of Roiyat-e-hilal committee :-

what i assumed:- (not an opinion)

For ruling party in NWFP...its another Kalabagh

Few others in NWFP...........Some sectarian conflicts with the majority of Royit committee members.


NOTHING ELSE

[Muhammad T S Awan]

AoA

yes fellows, its a big issue, islah i m very agreed that there should be consensus over eid... there seem to be a bit technical issue but perhaps not being resolved on certain political issues, i dont know why peshawar branch of rauete halal committee has consensus with the central commmittee that there was no moon sighting on August 21, 2009 and first Ramazan will be on August 23, 2009 and after isha it was announced in peshawar that first ramazan will be on August 22, 2009, if some body had sighted the moon, thn why they didnt tell to the zonal branch !.. for some work i was at peshawar on Saturday August 22, 2009 and some ppl had kept fast and some didnt saying that they dont know from where moon came and i also heard that there was some Allama Qasim of some old bazar of Peshawr who was first to declare the Ramazan on August 22, 2009 and later he was held for making false news..... !

yes ramshakhan u r right, as regards geographical location of peshawar, we can see that Quetta is at 30.20 N and 67. 00 E, which is far west to peshawar and similarly turbat has geographical location of 26° 0' 10" North, 63° 3' 2" East, which is more towards west and Gwadar is more more far west lying at 25° 6' 56" North, 62° 19' 42" East... if we say that moon is to be sighted at a place as far west as possible thn why there is no moon sighted at Gwadar or Turbat and a moon is sighted near peshawar? and we all know peshawar and its suburbs are one of the dustiest/polluted city of the country!

A Zonal Committee is meeting at Peshawar on September 19, 2009 for moon sighting and Senior NWFP Minister Bashir Ahmed Bilour showed a good gesture saying that the tradition of two Eids will be ended and Eid will be celebrated across the country on the same day this year.

some people have proposed to link our eid and ramazan system with saudi arabia but a recent ulema meeting has not agreed to it terming it against shariah..

they should have sittings together and sort out the things why this anomaly persisted and continues to persist..... yes they must make some mechanism whereby possibility of having two eids (or in some cases three eids ) must be ruled out....