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I endorse d views of Mashal khan that in islam dere is no place for nationalism, exept islamic n.
People who think dey r right when dey ignore other downtrodden people(muslims) belonging to dif ethnic grp ,are really living a life of ignorance.
Although it z v.diff to sacrifice ur Assabya or grq feeling 4 d welfare of evry musl man and woman but not imposible.
This z d reason ,muslims r every where being tortured, their right of selfdetermination z being snatched,
they r being treated as terrorist.
So instead f thinking narrowly we should make our mus.society strong.
Look at europe they r helping each other in every field, they dont allow mus.states to join their rank.
We r lackin n dis respect.we should work 4 d interest f whol mus.ummah instead of fighting 4 things which surely wake ur way 2 hell.
The main reason why v hv developed this course f action z injustice .
Our corrupt leaders, intolerance, lack of trust, deficit of cordial environment,
selfishness,
lack of modesty,
and all those thing s which islam abhors.
Lets unite ourselve 4 single and powerful umma.
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aoa respected sir there are three types of actions towards w/h Islam points out:
a-good deeds
b-bad deeds
c-neutral deeds
favouring it is not saying nationislm is that to w/h Islam ascribes expressly,yes in fact its "khilafat"that is Islamic concept for running a state.but being nationalistic(not chauvinist)is no sin in Islam.n yes we should raie as a united ummah but before we assume that virtue in its entirety we need to learn so many things.unity calls for tolerance frst n formst.Regards
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well i dun know to what extent my argument is valid as per the discussion going on as regards ti Islam. My point may not involve any Islamic reference but i believe that we should do away with this sense of nationalism. I mean we have a strong link of Islam to bind us altogether yet we don't pose a common face to external world. On the other hand the EU members(with no religious harmony nd thousands of years bitter rivalries) have been able to suppress their nationalism and come up with an idea of super nationalism as Europeans. Under Lisbon treaty they are posing a common face to external world. The only factor to bind them were economic interests and common good wisdom. Nd we can all see what wonders it has done for them
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Yes.to some extent if we look at Euoropen states,italy,france,germany etc, they are purely based on country or nation wide nationalism.but the case is contrary here in pakistan,ALL of you think for a while that Punjabi likes pathans,or pathan likes punjabis vice versa,who created such diffrences among u is nationailsm or nationalist political groups not parties,like ANP,BLF etc,they are just promoting and leading their own culture land etc,not the whole pakistan.
Kash...aaj jitney nafrat nationalism ne phelaee ha utne kese na be nahin phelaee hoge..
Dear members...i am not against any specific personality or province,but indeed i am totally against nationailsm.
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we should raie as a united ummah but before we assume that virtue in its entirety we need to learn so many things.unity calls for tolerance frst n formst.Regards
I agree hundred percent.

Doing away with nationalism is not conceivable. First we need to analyse the origins of modern states system. Only then we can understand the essence of nationalism which is only possible in a state. Islam is not against nationalism or nation states system.The message of Islam is not limited to Muslims only. It is for the whole of humanity. The concept of one "ummah" as being interpreted by the orthodox religious scholars would only lead to totalitarianism having no place for diverse cultures, customs, languages, traditions, heritage etc. Such a utopia is not plausible. But we must strive for unity based on our most common religious concepts of oneness of Allah, belief in the finality of Prophet Mohammad (SAW) and Quran. Islamic society already exists across the world.

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well i dun know to what extent my argument is valid as per the discussion going on as regards ti Islam. My point may not involve any Islamic reference but i believe that we should do away with this sense of nationalism. I mean we have a strong link of Islam to bind us altogether yet we don't pose a common face to external world. On the other hand the EU members(with no religious harmony nd thousands of years bitter rivalries) have been able to suppress their nationalism and come up with an idea of super nationalism as Europeans. Under Lisbon treaty they are posing a common face to external world. The only factor to bind them were economic interests and common good wisdom. Nd we can all see what wonders it has done for them
aoa.u r right that economic intersts are binding nations elsewhere.but to our nation nothing entice towards unity,be it economic interests,religion or nationalism.then how one can hope that this nation(specialy talking about our contry)can assume that, which is perfect i.e unity of the entire Muslim world?we are not united because we don t know what unity exactly means, in cosequence we never pursue it.nationalism,if taken in its positive sence can teach us hell f things we dnt know.
secondaly the view FLOYDIAN presented infact is what Allah really desired us to do.we dont have to be benevolents for Muslim ummah alone,non muslims are infact much bigger n serious responsibility.
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Dear...i think the main chant of ANP KHPALA KHORA KHPAL IHTEAR...justify my answer means apne mattey apna rraj..only for NWFP pukhtoons.

i think a party which represents one part of a country is not a party but should be named pressure group.
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Khpala khwra khpal Ikhtyar Na Manu da Bal Ikhtyar.yar we can take it positively and 4 the whole Pakistan.That we cant accept any external power or aggression on Pakistan.Well Islam does nt allow nationalism Mujadad Alif Sani,Shah Waliullah Iqbal also condemed nationalism bt they preffered MILLAT 4 the muslims of all the world.well if we want 2 c Pakistan to be a prosperous and a develope country we should bring Unity among all people of Pakistan,we should discourg regionalism and Provincialism without losing our regional and provincial identity Because SB SE PEHLE PAKISTAN PHIR SERHAD<SINDH PUNJAB AND BALOCHISTAN
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If islam allows nationalism then its all rightt,and if it is forbidden then why some nationalist parties in pakistan pleased to raise the slogan of nationalism.
I really would appreciate if somebody through some light on nationalism vs islam?
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I think religious nationalism is obsolete now....as it is a belief that Islam emphasis on religious unity..Like nile k sahil say lai kar tab-i-khak kashgar...I think it is not true today.....The concept of nationalism emerges from territory, couture,language...e.g. Arab nationalism .Every territory has its peculiar nationalistic aptitudes that are primarily based on the love of Land..

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Yes religious nationalism is obsolete, as it doesn't exist anywhere. But non existence of a system doesn't mean that Islam accepted other modes of nationalism. It is just like the "Riba" which exists, and most if not all the economies are based on it. But even its existence doesn't make Islam to accept it.

Secondly I differ with another member's view that Islamic societies exist in world. These are not Islamic socieities, these are muslim societies i.e. societies of muslims, where they are bound by unislamic practices of nationality, riba and man made legal systems.
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