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sana_krn Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:02 AM

Executed two brothers at DPO Sialkot’s behest: Accused
 
An update on this tregic incident shame on all of us we live in such society
Sunday, August 22, 2010
LAHORE: Shams Ali, one of the accused involved in the barbaric killing of two-brothers in Sialkot has claimed that he carried out the murders at the behest of DPO Sialkot Waqar Chauhan.

He quoted the DPO as saying, “Go ahead and kill both them. Police will claim the responsibility of the two-brothers’ death and declare it a result of an encounter.”

Shams Ali, one of the men involved in the ghastly act of publicly killing the two-brothers Hafiz Mughees and Muneeb Sajjad, told Geo News that his 12-year old nephew also sustained injuries as a result of firing occurred before the episode of torture on the brothers.

The whole scene of barbarism was carried out ‘at the behest of DPO Sialkot Waqar Chauhan’, Shams claimed.
[url]http://www.geo.tv/8-22-2010/70294.htm[/url]

JASMINE Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:27 AM

DPO has proudly claimed in supereme court when askd for suspension that he is a CSP officer...Then what is the difference b/w Rankers and so called CSPs in PSP...no doubt we cant claim all CSPs but wat is most annoying is that CSPs are supposed to be more educated and less corrupt???Then wat the hell is the problem ???wat thinking is behind this act??and wat abt the persons standing there and seeing it as an ammusement???and the people who made the videos???for me all are responsible for this,,not even a single person dared to stop them??

Black_zero Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:34 AM

is this our civil society? shame on those who say bad to taliban.
we really need islamic system. We should not call ourself muslims. plz write letter to PM for giving them cruel punishment.DPO should b hanged.

hotangeleyes Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:34 AM

this act of violence is barbarism...we have failed as a nation as a state specially as a Islamic state in fact we were never an ISLAMIC STATE... the molvi of masjid who abuses America n England should visit these countries , so he might come to know what a civilised society is...!

humble humanbeing Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:42 AM

Jasmine figure out the height of frustration among the people. when ppl believe that they wont find justice by going to courts then they break law.
secondly it also throws light upon th e deteriorating state of our society.whether it would be a csp or a ordinary person everyone is suffering from it.:mellow:

Adnan Manzoor Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:04 AM

It Should be condemned
 
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Such kind of actions killing people and corruption and injustice of police should be condemned at every forum.

Sakk Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:30 AM

I strongly condemn this heinous act of barbarity, in no way it shows symptoms of street justice. I have noticed everyone here is blaming police but the reality is that might be police is tired of sending cases to local session court for punishments and session court is awarding bale. This element cannot be ignored at any cost, however this is the real justice institution in the end. The duty of police is to present criminals to court with evidence, then it is upto court to decide the guilty as criminal and award any punishment. But when influential people reach courts they use their approach and strive every of their nerve and finally acquitted with a bale notification to police station.

Just to share an incident earlier occured during the most reputable DIG Abid Ali late (who was murdered himself) while his stay at Mardan. There used to be criminals strongly backed by political party, that one criminal was arrested three times under different cases and sent to court, he was released on bale each time. Later it was the police officer who has to shot him dead in an encounter as a last option of justice. So either in this case we shold blame the police or courts or the political heads.

Please don't get emotional at such incidents.

It is quite apparant from this incidence that our social justice system has completely failed, neither police has any more confidence on courts, neither courts are performing their duties with dignity and the zeal which is required. Consequently justice will be on roads and such stories will be in air quite often.

Muhammad Arif Shah Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:52 PM

i agree with above !!!

[B][COLOR="Indigo"][SIZE="4"]by the way what those two brothers had committed ??? that people were beating them with such hatred, i don't think that people in our society is that much cruel, what would we do in confrontation with zardari like elements if given a free hand ???? [/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

sana_krn Sunday, August 22, 2010 03:06 PM

brother u might be right but reality is if in investigation police has declared a person guilt n offence falls under category of non-bailable offence no court will grant bail thats for sure.
but if the challan submitted by police is khana no. 2 means they decalred a person innocent in investigation than court will certainly grant bail.
the case u r mentioning can happen but when police is willing to grant bail otherwise its impossible n say if bail granted they can go for cancellation of bail. they have so many other options which are according to law y they go for encounter? chaloo if one is habbitual offender then encounter samjh aye b. how could they declares a person offender crimnal before charges are proved against them.
Sham on such CSPs shame


we need to know abt laws our rights.... wat if police is not hearing us not registering case and misusing thier powers wat are the remedies?
one thing i can assure u i dunt say 100% but 70% corruption is reduced in judiciary no judge can b bribe now

Invincible Sunday, August 22, 2010 04:02 PM

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[B]This person has villified the whole image of pakistan.We feel ashamed to call you a muslim.You can be acquitted from these courts,but your life will be pathetic in hearafter.Verily you will reap what you have sown here. [/B]


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unsolved_Mystery Sunday, August 22, 2010 05:59 PM

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]All the accused including police officials present at the spot may be hanged at the same place in the interest of justice and lesson for others. Thats all. If DPO is found involved, he may be given full dose to make him realize that CSPs are also answerable[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] :mad:

AFRMS Sunday, August 22, 2010 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=unsolved_Mystry;208134][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]All the accused including police officials present at the spot may be hanged at the same place in the interest of justice and lesson for others. Thats all. If DPO is found involved, he may be given full dose to make him realize that CSPs are also answerable[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] :mad:[/QUOTE]

AoA
They must be hanged at any cost agar aik hafiz Quran ko sarakon pay ghaseeta jaey aur uskay bhai ko jo aik bacha tha maar maar ker khatam ker diya jaey aur wo bhi islami mulk mein.......

Sharam karo sharam karo...........

kiya azzaab nahein aye ga.....islam mein kisi jurm ki yeh saza hai.......
log keh rahay hain emotional mat hon.....aray logo kiya hum mein emotions hain????

CSPs kuyun qanun say bala tar hon ?

Jitna nuqsan iss mulk ko parhay liqhay insaan kay qalam nay pohenchaya hai wo unparh nay nahein.......

Jitni zimidari barhti hai...utna karra hisaab hota hai....

Apni awaz uthaein iss zulm k khilaf.....ab tu ghaflat ki neend say jag jaein.........

happy ending Sunday, August 22, 2010 08:35 PM

:(
 
her lehza hay momin ki nayi shan nayi aan

guftar mey kirdar mey Allah ki burhan


Lol @ CSPs

waiting anxiously for the time when they will be treated the same way they treated the innocent boys . is dunya mey buch bhe gayay tau agley jahan mein kya kerain gay bachooo ...yaha tau bun jao DSP ya ASP ...agley jahan mein kya kerooon gay ...hehe ..

7 days baad people are lamenting on this act ..it happened 7 days before ...wow ...

Xeric Monday, August 23, 2010 12:40 AM

[QUOTE=JASMINE;208014]DPO has proudly claimed in supereme court when askd for suspension that he is a CSP officer...Then what is the difference b/w Rankers and so called CSPs in PSP..[/QUOTE]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 22 (APP): Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani has expressed anguish and distress over the regretful event of Sialkot and ordered for the suspension of DPO Waqar Chohan, a federal government officer on deputation with the provincial government.The suspension of the officer was recommended by the Chief Minister Punjab Mian Shahbaz Sharif when he rang up the Prime Minister Sunday evening to brief him over the unfortunate incident.

[url]http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114203&Itemid=2[/url]

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Litigants and counsel were shocked and the [B]atmosphere became tense when the gruesome video footage aired by a private TV channel was shown in the courtroom.[/B] And it was too much to bear for the grief-stricken grandfather and father of the deceased who started wailing after watching it.

When DPO Chauhan informed the court that the SHO concerned had been arrested, but culprits were yet to be detained, the [B]chief justice said he (Mr Chauhan) deserved to be suspended and sent to jail straightaway[/B]. The negligence shown by police could not be ignored, the CJ observed.

“What message have you given to the world about Pakistan,” he asked the DPO and said: “Nowhere in a civilised society such an incident takes place in the presence of police.”

He said the country was already facing disasters and crisis with people dying of hunger, but police were indulging in extra-judicial killings.

The chief justice deplored the apathy of top police officers and senior federal government officials who were aware of the incident.
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“Not only it was the duty of police to stop those who were beating the two brothers, but the people in the mob should also have shown moral courage by preventing the beating,” the chief justice said. [/B]

[url]http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/sc-orders-probe-into-sialkot-lynching-of-two-brothers-180[/url]

Abdullah Nayyar Monday, August 23, 2010 01:37 AM

The tragic incident in Sialkot shows that we have hit rock bottom in terms of moral values set by any culture or religion. Our Police has re-assured our nation that it cannot be our guardian for whatever reasons.

It is a condemnable act but the problem is much deeper than just few people beating those kids in the streets of Sialkot. If we take such other incidents happened in the near past and objectively examined, we see that there is an anguish in the people from all parts of the country which is primarily due to non-functioning or malfunctioning of state institutions. The most important being the law and justice system in the lower courts which remains highly corrupt and cases drag on for years.

I am not saying Pakistani Police is a saintly institution but they have their limitations. While Chief Justice might collect applause for his timely action in this case, it is the courts which set most convicted felons free repeatedly and I can quote ATC setting free suicide bombers (caught red handed) in my hometown only for Police to catch them back. Its about time we collectively study the whole problem underlying such incidents and adopt a holistic approach rather than knee-jerk reaction on media reports.

Police should be made free from political pressure and a system of checks and balances should be made for proper accountability.

It is about time we ask for Allah's forgiveness and give up all the evil deeds that have become part of our culture! No wonder Allah is angry with us.

Omar Qadir Monday, August 23, 2010 01:53 AM

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I, here, humbly request all aspirants to please focus on your studies as the time is short for upcoming examination. Why? Where? When? What? is the matter of court to decide and please have grip on your words before using against anyone. No one should be held accused until the final verdict of investigation report. We live in a civilized society and please refrain uttering words which could account against the integrity of Pakistan.

Thank You!

Invincible Monday, August 23, 2010 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=omarqadir;208200][CENTER]***Note***[/CENTER]

I, here, humbly request all aspirants to please focus on your studies as the time is short for upcoming examination. Why? Where? When? What? is the matter of court to decide and please have grip on your words before using against anyone. No one should be held accused until the final verdict of investigation report. [U]We live in a civilized society[/U] and please refrain uttering words which could account against the integrity of Pakistan.

Thank You![/QUOTE]

[B]Do we really breathe in a civilized society? [/B]

Zoyee Monday, August 23, 2010 01:44 PM

[QUOTE][B]Originally Posted by omarqadir[/B]
I, here, humbly request all aspirants to please focus on your studies as the time is short for upcoming examination.[/QUOTE]

[B]Can one forget this henious act? Can one study for a while after watching that brutal killing?Why we are so selfish, giving message to let them die, do your work?[/B]

[B]Regards[/B],

fahim13 Monday, August 23, 2010 02:05 PM

shame full
 
shame full for police as well as other people who's are seeing that drama

shahzad jutoi Monday, August 23, 2010 02:06 PM

I can't believe still that this barbaric act was carried out by the MUSLIMS..But Infact,those who have shown barbarity were Pakistani Muslims unfortunately.
How cruel they are,even in the holy month of Ramazan,which teach us about the SABAR. We seems to be living in an Inferno,where everyone is insecure and unhappy.
It is the inner desire of the whole nation that the Rulers must treat the culprits of Sialkot Tragedy ironically and give them an unforgetable and painfull punishment sop that no could dare to repeat this..
regards

Invincible Monday, August 23, 2010 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=Zoyee;208293][B]Can one forget this henious act? Can one study for a while after watching that brutal killing?Why we are so selfish, giving message to let them die, do your work?[/B]

[B]Regards[/B],[/QUOTE]

[B]Rasullullah(SAW)gave an example of Muslim unity is reported to have said in a Hadith:

“The Muslim Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain”

Zoyee:

I second you,unfortunately,we are not a nation, we are just masses and pakistan's history is the sad result of each one looking out for himself.

[U]For omarqadir[/U]: “Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere”

Regards, [/B]

usman khalid Monday, August 23, 2010 02:27 PM

I don't have words to say something on this barbaric and henious act of violence. I am unable to express my feelings after seeing video of such a horrible act. Are we human beings...??? Where are moral values????? Even a wild animal does not do with his prey what we so called humans have done with our brothers. Why would nature's fury not encalsp us?????? O ALLAH! Forgive us, we have not proved equal to the task... Even we feel shame in calling us muslims... rather we doubt to be humans... Because we have killed humanity with our own hands.

Nascent Soul Monday, August 23, 2010 04:35 PM

Joining hands with the butter villagers
 
Last night I was shocked to hear the following on Samma TV by Dr Firdous Ashiq Awaan, the public representative of Sialkot,

''[B][/B] [B]Sialkot mein do naheen teen qatal howay hain teesray qatal ka koi wawaila naheen hai, us maqtool ki bewi sawal karti hai kay woh kis kay hath per apnna lahoo talash karay[/B][B][/B]''

Earlier Sialkot's another representative, PML-N's Khawaja Asif had said

[B][/B] [B]Qatal tau inn ka bhi howa hai ( two brothers ) aur un ka bhi ( butter village waloon ka bhi ) Mein kiya kah sakta hoon[/B][B][/B]
No doubt, politicians can't afford anger of a whole village.
We and media need to acknowledge one thing. Who can be the people that still need to have support the barbarians of butter villagers? It's the ploice or rescue officials. The only way to save their dirty faces, for them, is to instigate agitation amongst the brutal villagers. Bringing them to roads and creating law and order situation in Sialkot, is in their best interest. Once, enmity is created between Butter residents and Sialkot city dwellers, the outcomes will be devastating. Moreover, such a situation will be ideal to detrack the attention of Government and media from the root issue.

The root issue is that Gujranwala police has been promoting this '' kill at site'' policy for long. Under the guidelines of RPO Gujranwala, Mr Cheema, many such incide3nts have already taken place. Cheema has promoted his brutal poicy in open on record press conferences. [B]It was police under the mastery DPO Chohan that disgraced the bodies of Muneeb ( a 9th class student ) and Mughees ( a First year Marry College student ), and moved them throughout the city in a trolley.[/B]

Xeric Monday, August 23, 2010 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=Nascent Soul;208321]
The root issue is that Gujranwala police has been promoting this '' kill at site'' policy for long. Under the guidelines of RPO Gujranwala, Mr Cheema, many such incide3nts have already taken place. Cheema has promoted his brutal poicy in open on record press conferences. [B]It was police under the mastery DPO Chohan that disgraced the bodies of Muneeb ( a 9th class student ) and Mughees ( a First year Marry College student ), and moved them throughout the city in a trolley.[/B][/QUOTE]

In Sialkot incident DPO is responsible for all this barbarity because he allowed the mob to torture the two teenagers who were neither DONs nor proclaimed offenders nor they had criminal record.

Mr. Zulfiqar Cheema never allowed to kill innocent teenagers. He supported those encounters in which the criminals were wanted by govt (proclaimed offenders) dead or alive due to the intensity of their crimes and the govt also announced head money for arresting the gangsters dead or alive.

Watch the video of Nanu Goraya the notorious extortionist, criminal and kidnapper of Punjab and his ultimate end. Justice Bilal was alleged to be in contact with Nanu Goraya. Police also showed the body to the city while patrolling in vehicle and announced that the chapter of oppressions has been closed from Gujranwala forever though it was criticized by media. In end who is ur Hero Nanu Goraya or Zulfiqar Cheema?

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Nascent Soul Monday, August 23, 2010 09:13 PM

RPO Zulfiqar Cheema may not have any direct role. But a DPO could not have so much courage if the policy had not been possessed from top to bottom. And I still don't regard Cheema as a hero. The psychology behind this menace has been propagated by him. Extra-judicial punishment of an accused can never be allowed in a civilised society at any cost. Gujranawala Police's such acts have, unfortunately, been seen as heroic by some segments, which is so unfortunate.

Sociologist PU Monday, August 23, 2010 10:29 PM

Zulfiqar cheema's policy was right to some extent as the hardened criminals in Gujranawala had made the lives of ordinery people hell. They were not getting punishment from courts as nobody dare to appear as witness against them, and if somebody dared, he would have been killed by them.
Cheema adopted the best policy( killing the killers ) as there was no other option available and now he is a hero of Gujranwala citizens. There was a rumor of his transfer last week and thousand of people came out on roads and demanded him back in Gujranwala.
We should not say that due to his policy Sailkot incident happened as the circumstance are quite different at both location.

sana_krn Monday, August 23, 2010 10:51 PM

zulfiqar cheema is most competent rpo gujranwala every get he suspended so many police men for negligence his personal no. is written on main gate of every thana (p.s) n that no. is never powered of a lay man can approch him anytime if he has some complaints against police n most of corruption rate here in gujranwala region is decreased dramatically almost 50% less corruption now. so its not fair to blame those who r not involved. if he is responcible whole civil society is responcible we all r responcible.
just thing is we want to start a blame game n transfer burden of responbility to other

unsolved_Mystery Monday, August 23, 2010 11:02 PM

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]RPO and Commissioner Gujranwala has been closed to Headquarters.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=purple]The incident in question might have taken 4/5 hours while reports take minutes to reach to the high officers through wireless. It indicates that DPO seems to be involved directly in the matter. In the process of 4/5/6 hours, no authority (DPO, DCO, DSP, etc.) came to check the brutality. It also came to notice after days. Strange[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT].:0

Black_zero Monday, August 23, 2010 11:33 PM

Police helping to save the police personnel.Zulifqar Cheema is the honest policeman.


LAHORE: IG Police Punjab Tariq Saleem Dogar has replaced Regional Police Officer (RPO) Gujranwala Zulfiqar Cheema with Tariq Masood Yasin, Geo News reported Monday.

Zulfiqar Cheema has been appointed DIG Welfare.

RPO Tariq Masood was earlier serving as DIG Traffic Lahore in Gujranwala Division.

According to sources, the transfer of Zulfiqar Cheema has been undertaken in the backdrop of the murders of two teenaged brothers in Sialkot.

Zulfiqar Cheema’s one of the brothers is Justice (Retd.) Iftikhar Cheema who is an MNA with affiliation to Pakistan Muslim League-N.

Zulfiqar Cheema was appointed RPO following PML-N’s formation of government in Punjab.

Cheema is considered a champion of police encounters. During his tenure, a number police encounters took place in which proclaimed criminals such as Nanhu Guraya, Asim Wado, Ahmedi Nat, Kala Gujar and Ishaque Kana were taken out. The bodies of some of the criminals were paraded on streets when he served as RPO.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif had lauded Zulfiqar Cheema’s services on several occasions in the past.

Invincible Monday, August 23, 2010 11:36 PM

[B]I am astonished to read comments in favour of DPO.What the hell he was doing there when unbridled mob was slaughtering two innocents? [/B]

Ali Randhava Monday, August 23, 2010 11:48 PM

Al aman ya illahi
 
Yaar kuch to kudda ka koof karoo. Ever since i have seen video of this brutal act, i feel my self helpless and guilty, it seems that I being member of this society has my self committed this sin. I am lawyer by profession. I have seen a lot of incidents in which criminals get away from their evil acts due to prosecutorial failure of police to prove their crime before the court of law. But I have also witnessed many incidents where innocent men are set free by the court. You see if police fails to prove the crime, this does not mean that whole Judicial system has failed. How many incidents of such nature you have come to know in UK? Our Police is real problem. Lack of understanding of criminology coupled with corruption and usage of scientific tools have made our whole Justice system look like failure. ZULFIQAAR CHEEMA is the real person, who should be executed. Its his mindset that promoted the culture of killing a person with out giving him a chance to speak in his defense. During the tenure of ZULFIQAAE CHEEMA, the No. of extra Judicial killing have soared very high. Can you claim that all those who were murdered by Police were criminals? Among hundreds of people murdered by Police, if a single person was innocent, I think this whole idea of killing an alleged person at the spot is a complete failure. And its not just ZULFIQAAE CHEEMA to blame, but the real person to blame is Chief Minister Punjab, who him self support killing of accused at the spot with out giving them a chance to prove their innocence. He him self was once charged for treason, what if his own policy of killing criminal at the spot had been practiced then? I say give capital punishment to S.H.O and his mens who were present at the spot of incident, and at least 10 years of imprisonment to ZULFIQAAR CHEEMA and D.P.O Waqar Ahmed Chouhan. And for all those people who think, Shahbaz Sherif policy of murdering accused person at the spot is okay, i pray that you may not fell victim of this policy one day.

Sociologist PU Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:42 AM

@ Poster above

Sir, you are a lawyer but unaware of the ground realities here. It is not England where the accused will get punishment from the court of Law. Here, he will pay, kill the witness and buy the whole system of justice and law.
What will you do in these circumstances ? You will let the criminals continue killing the innocent citizen for ransom ?
Go and ask the victims and their relatives what they think of CM and RPO of Gujranwala. When Law and courts fail to provide justice to the victims, people whole-heartdly welcome the Police officer like Cheema.

sana_krn Tuesday, August 24, 2010 01:28 AM

i fully agree with sociologist.
its set principle of law mr. lawyer who commits offence only he is liable to punishment... jis ka jurm hai wo bhugtey ga DPO should b punished all those police officials should be punished who were thre but didnt stoped them.
but MR. Cheema is one of the most competent police officer gujranwala ever get

Invincible Tuesday, August 24, 2010 01:47 PM

[QUOTE=Sociologist PU;208420]@ Poster above

Sir, you are a lawyer but unaware of the ground realities here. It is not England where the accused will get punishment from the court of Law. Here, he will pay, kill the witness and buy the whole system of justice and law.
What will you do in these circumstances ? You will let the criminals continue killing the innocent citizen for ransom ?
Go and ask the victims and their relatives what they think of CM and RPO of Gujranwala. When Law and courts fail to provide justice to the victims, people whole-heartdly welcome the Police officer like Cheema.[/QUOTE]

[B]So it means, if an accused is not getting convicted by courts, he must be send to graveyard without due investigation?It looks adventurous in movies but not in real world. No one can be licensed to kill any body on the spot without following due procedure.

Indeed,we have personality phobia, Few criminals were shot dead by cheema, we have made him our ideal. Unfortunatly, We are literate,but not enlightened.

[U]Sana[/U]: He might be competent but he is cruel for sure. He has to pay the price of his criminal silence before mob. He was reportedly encouraging mob to beat more. disgusting.[/B] :vangry

[B][U]"Whoever does not show mercy will not be shown mercy".[/U][/B]

[B]Regards,[/B]

sana_krn Tuesday, August 24, 2010 04:05 PM

[QUOTE=Invincible;208511][B]So it means, if an accused is not getting convicted by courts, he must be send to graveyard without due investigation?It looks adventurous in movies but not in real world. No one can be licensed to kill any body on the spot without following due procedure.

Indeed,we have personality phobia, Few criminals were shot dead by cheema, we have made him our ideal. Unfortunatly, We are literate,but not enlightened.

[U]Sana[/U]: He might be competent but he is cruel for sure. He has to pay the price of his criminal silence before mob. He was reportedly encouraging mob to beat more. disgusting.[/B] :vangry

[B][U]"Whoever does not show mercy will not be shown mercy".[/U][/B]

[B]Regards,[/B][/QUOTE]
hay hai DPO wz thre not RPO

Maroof Hussain Chishty Tuesday, August 24, 2010 05:33 PM

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Ali Randhava Tuesday, August 24, 2010 06:22 PM

Cowboys in Pakistan!
 
[QUOTE=Sociologist PU;208420]@ Poster above

Sir, you are a lawyer but unaware of the ground realities here. It is not England where the accused will get punishment from the court of Law. Here, he will pay, kill the witness and buy the whole system of justice and law.
What will you do in these circumstances ? You will let the criminals continue killing the innocent citizen for ransom ?
Go and ask the victims and their relatives what they think of CM and RPO of Gujranwala. When Law and courts fail to provide justice to the victims, people whole-heartdly welcome the Police officer like Cheema.[/QUOTE]

Dear [B]Mr. Sociologist[/B], Do you know, why criminals are able to pay bribe to police, kill witnesses, and buy prosecutors in Pakistan and why criminals in United Kingdom are not able to follow the Pakistani suite? The answer lies in the difference, between working, practice and attitude of officers and detectives working in SCOTLAND YARD and officers of our “MIGHTY PSP” (They love calling them mighty). Do you know, when Mr. Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Ch., told Mr. Sialkoti D.P.O that he is suspended from his job, he answered “[B] YOU CAN’T DO THAT, I AM ALMIGHTY CSP OFFICER[/B]”, as if he is progeny of FAROH of Egypt. Russell once said, “If it were possible, every one would want to become a God”. No wonder a large No. of aspirants wants to join PSP because they feel that Wardi will make them omnipotent. I think [B]we should live like cowboys, holding guns in their both hands, bang bang bang…..good shot buddy….. I kill a criminal …what? That’s not a criminal fool, you killed an innocent man? Ohh! no dude I killed an innocent person who just turned criminal? …….ha ha ha evil smile……BANG BANG BANG………….LONG LIVE CHIEF MINISTER PUNJAB AND ZULFIQAR CHEEMA WHO EMPOWERED US……HA HAHA [/B]

Sociologist PU Tuesday, August 24, 2010 07:05 PM

@ Mr. Randhawa

Your ideas are very inspiring for the young generation, but when you will have more experience in the field of Law & Justice, your mind will change with the passage of time.
I am against extra-judicial killing like any sane person but sometimes there is no other way out and to protect the society from merciless criminals, it is adopted and it has approvel of all the elements of society.
As far the attitude of Police in our country, i would say thay are part of this society and show all the attributes of this society. What are the chracteristics of our society ? (:ohmy:)
So if we want better police for us, we should change ourselves or we should import police from a developed country like UK. And if still not satisfied, we can also import our rulers from there. After all they had already shown us the good goverance for 200 years till 1947.

Xeric Tuesday, August 24, 2010 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=Ali Randhava;208562] Do you know, when Mr. Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Ch., told Mr. Sialkoti D.P.O that he is suspended from his job, he answered “[B] YOU CAN’T DO THAT, I AM ALMIGHTY CSP OFFICER[/B]”, as if he is progeny of FAROH of Egypt. Russell once said, “If it were possible, every one would want to become a God”. No wonder a large No. of aspirants wants to join PSP because they feel that Wardi will make them omnipotent. I think [B]we should live like cowboys, holding guns in their both hands, bang bang bang…..good shot buddy….. I kill a criminal …what? That’s not a criminal fool, you killed an innocent man? Ohh! no dude I killed an innocent person who just turned criminal? …….ha ha ha evil smile……BANG BANG BANG………….LONG LIVE CHIEF MINISTER PUNJAB AND ZULFIQAR CHEEMA WHO EMPOWERED US……HA HAHA [/B][/QUOTE]

It is true that CJP said to DPO, “keu na tumhe suspend kia jae” he said I am employee of Govt. of Pakistan and you are not empowered to suspend me I am CSS Officer. CJP also said to him, “hum aap ke jawani ka khayal kar rhay he, warna 3 months ke lea agar contempt of court me andar kr lia to phir suspension ke bi zroorat ni pregi aur future tabah hojaega”.

Zulfiqar Cheema said that criminals become so powerful and influential that no court dare to punish them, police don’t prosecute and witness hesitate to come to the courts. In this case the police department has not remedy except to kill the proclaimed offenders (not innocent) in encounters and establish peace and order.

Lawyer’s task is to prolong the issues due to their professional requirements, they are happy with criminals because only one big party will be enough for whole life. Lawyers also supported the criminals and helped them even to work as a broker between the judge and criminals.

Issue of Sialkot is totally different from the extra judicial killing policy of Mr. Cheema. It was the responsibility of DPO to act wisely on the spot; they are imparted training for this day to behave as a good administrator and control the crazy mob and his failure is not the failure of system not society rather it was a gross misconduct and negligence from his responsibilities. An efficient officer would have controlled the situation easily by saving the innocent lives.

In Quetta a person while throwing hand grenade on a shop was caught red handed, they angry mob was beating the criminal and a person was at task to get patrol from motorbike to burn him alive but DIG Operation arrived on the spot and rescued the criminal by shelling tear gas, aerial firing and baton charging on the mob. He said it is the responsibility of state to punish criminals.

Military operation in northern areas, did they prove in the court of laws that the people dying in drone attacks and operation are terrorists or innocent? Why no one raised their voice for the death of innocent lives? Similarly, police is state/government and in case if the criminals become a threat to the lives and property of the people then they have only one option i.e. extra judicial killings and to get rid from the rotten eggs of society in encounters.
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Xeric Tuesday, August 24, 2010 08:35 PM

What you say about the character of judges and you should avoid resolving lawyer’s rivalry with Zulfiqar Cheema on this topic. Mr. Cheema is criticized because he not only eliminated the notorious gangs but also stopped the funding in large amount for lawyers from criminals in shape of fees.

Nanno Goraya’s recorded statement confirmed that situation was even worse. Details of the statement revealed shocking incidents of wolf in disguise, PCO Judge Bilal Khan and how he was protecting his mafia fellow Nanno Goraya by abusing his judicial powers as a judge of Lahore High Court. How they were spending evenings and nights in Night Clubs of Dubai and how this criminal minded, so called judge was going to the extent to offer murders of opponents in police encounters.
[url]http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IHCBA+president+calls+for+strict+action+against+DIG+Gujranwala+for...-a0197444575[/url]

President Islamabad High Court Bar Association (IHCBA) and member Punjab Bar Council Syed Nayab Hassan Gardezi has strongly condemned the statement given by DIG Gujranwala Zulfiqar Cheema against Chief Justice Islamabad High Court M Bilal Khan and demanded of CJP o take stern action against DIG Gujranwala for using insulting remarks against the judge of superior judiciary. He said this in a statement issued here Tuesday. No police officer should be allowed to give statement remarks against any judge of superior judiciary, he held. If it is not stopped today then a police constable will insult any judge in a court. Terming the statement of Zulfiqar Cheema as violation of code of conduct he said the statement was also against the professional norms of police. It was hoped that in the presence of chief justice of Pakistan protection would be provided to all the judges of judiciary and their families against irresponsible police officers like Zulfiqar Cheema, he added.

[url]http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IHCBA+president+calls+for+strict+action+against+DIG+Gujranwala+for...-a0197444575[/url]


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