The Debate on Feudalism..

[kashifilyas]

"Feudalism exists in Pakistan."

Please share your opinion, either in favor or against the topic sentence. I will share mine by tomorrow.

@specially for members preparing for Interview..

Thanks,

[Shahid Shakoor]

In feudalism the class of aristocratic landowners or barons exploit the mass peasants who produce more wealth in the form of food,manufactured goods, and services in the lands of big guns.they produce surplus wealth but they do not enjoy the use of surplus wealth those who own the lands are able to seize this surplus wealth as profit for thier own use. it causes the conflict

[ayesha iftikhar]

I am extremely against the feudalism in Pakistan as the poor become poorer and the rich become richer.

It is full of selfishness and arrogance.

Tool of maximum exploitation of poor people

The way to suppress the poor

[aariz]

feudalism is the main hurdle in the smooth and effective process of democracy in Pakistan. Common are not usually allowed to contest in the elections, especially in the rural areas. Feudalism in the country has not become only ruling class but has snatched away many basic human rights from the common man.
In short, feudals are lawmakers and custodian of democracy who have been betraying the nation in the name of supremacy of democracy.

Yesterday, Hafiz Shaikh said that he can not bring the feudals into the tax net coz they are powerful and these are the lawmakers in the all law making institutions.
CONCLUSION
Feudals will never allow to draft any bill which will ensure betterment to the common man and vice versa.

[kashifilyas]

I have got 3 replies so for.
I am feeling it worth sharing that you didn't get the topic/question which I asked for. You totally misunderstood the topic/question and this is something more important to cover while you are preparing yourself for competitive examination.

OK, here goes my part.

I do not agree with the statement that feudalism exists in Pakistan, if we map it's dictionary meanings with current situation. According to 16th century British and French Lawyers, there must be 3 conditions which are necessary for the definition of Feudalism..

1) the feudal lord (land owner)
2) the Vassals
3) the fiefs

From this perspective, the term cannot be used in Pakistan. According to a research, the larger landholdings have shrunk, most land owners do not maintain private armies and neither do they have vassals who would fight wars for them.

Also, given the rise of capitalism in the country, feudalism is no longer a problem or a prevalent institution ion Pakistan.

So to summarize, one cannot say that feudalism exists in Pakistan.

(Note: I prepared this because I was suppose to discuss in negation to the topic sentence "Feudalism exists in Pakistan". Although, in my personal opinion, it exists with some changed context like feudal lords are now large industrialists and capitalists.) However, I am ready to defend my point of view

[MALIK SHAABAN]

dear kashif,
the definition you used for feudals is date back to some 300 year to be precise it was started in 1712AD. today's situation is bit different. if you say that feudalism does not exist in Pakistan than i am sorry to say that you are seriously misconceived. the feudal of today's is much more intelligent than that of English era. he does not use the same old tactics. the famous 22families are one of the example. feudal have turned into business feudal, industrial feudal and even to be extremist military feudal and mulla (theocratic) feudal. can u negate this one.

[kashifilyas]

In my view, when you go for dictionary meanings, the landowner, vassal and fiefs are must entities which complete the definition of feudalism. So in this context, yes I negate your statement that feudalism exists in Pakistan.
You are sub categorizing the feudal term, but don't you think that industrialist practice management skills in order to run their industry effectively and efficiently.

Feudal lords can go for even killing their vassals , but i don't think so that a good manager, a successful industrialist in our case, can go for taking this step. This is only one example, how do you defend this mixing of managing people and saying them feudal lords?

[MALIK SHAABAN]

once again you are saying the same thing. feudal is not a sort of a scientific thing whose definition cannot be changed. rather feudal (here) mean a person, powerful in terms of wealth, influential(politically, religiously) or backed by some strong organization, working for his own vested interests or of a group. you have given the example of industrialists. i would like to take the example of industrialist too. for last three years sugar mill owners are have created a cartel. they have been creating a monopoly of their own, increasing sugar prices to such a level that is far up than their cost of production. now if you say these as management skills than every evil natured person is a good manager. we may also take the examples of steel mills, fiber industry and also agricultural chemical industry.

[aariz]

@Kashif
I am laughing on ur comments that feudalism does not exist in Pakistan and have presented centuries old definition that used to be applied only in Europe not in the South Asia.

[kashifilyas]

Originally Posted by aariz

@Kashif
I am laughing on ur comments that feudalism does not exist in Pakistan and have presented centuries old definition that used to be applied only in Europe not in the South Asia.

Show the maturity level, don't laugh but negate the comments with your own points

(Note: I am against this because I was suppose to discuss in negation to the topic sentence "Feudalism exists in Pakistan". Although, in my personal opinion, it exists with some changed context like feudal lords are now large industrialists and capitalists etc.)
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