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then why president said to him?
and we can say that government is responsible for the murder of Salam
He is a very very Sharp person!

May be he has planed to do so for the murder of Taseer .

Because he knew that Paki's would gave a very aggressive response towards Taseer's actions & statements !

And if some body would kill him reason would definitely become blasphemy!

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No one could blame Him!

Because PPP also don't like Taseer !
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and the minister who are now speaking in favor of Salamn Taseer what they are doing?
Just that they can become governor?

i think we must ignore this topic and avoid from hassle. every people have different opinion. So leave this topic.

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Question is that why Salman went to Asia Bibi?
There are many people in prison who are not defaulter. Many people are innocent. Many people are asking for help.
Then why Asia BiBi?
One of the reasons why he went to Asia Bibi is that Asia Bibi's Case received international attention ....
Human Rights Watch spokesman Ali Dyan indicated that "The blasphemy law is absolutely obscene and it needs to be repealed in totality". In his opinion the law is used to exploit vulnerable minority groups and encourages Islamist extremism.

Pope Benedict XVI prayed for Bibi and her family and requested her release.

The visiting Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini indicated that he would discuss the matter with Shahbaz Bhatti, head of the Pakistani Ministry of Minorities.
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our society is emotional n we have no hero so whenever we see a person doing something out of the context then make them hero, sometimes a dictator turn usurper becomes our hero n we distribute sweets n dance with joy on drums then the same dictator is turned autocratic n tyrant aftermath we celebrate marries after ousting the same dictator.

sometimes people make hero abdur rahman dacoit or arshad pappu, on the other hand an encounter specialist is declared hero but when things get wrong like sialkot incident then there is no stone unturned to share a part while abusing waqar chauhan n his team.

some times usama bin laden become our hero or mulla umar n some times villains. we are in search of identity n heroism is in our emotions we are in search of real hero. some times it wud be taseer n sometimes mumtaz qadri.

we are suffering from identity crisis. we are in need of real guidance with real infusion of real knowledge. nothing is investigated in our country to react the fact n expose the hidden hands behind any pol assassination.

enjoy the time either to celebrate the murder of taseer or to express grief, either to declare mumtaz qadri a hero or villan nothing is going to be change. we wud hve the same hypocrite system on the one side waging war against terrorism n on the other side supporting taliban. Holy Prophet BPUH is the last prophet of Allah n he is the seal of prophets after him no prophet will come otherwise we wud have declared HYPOCRITES by revealed injunctions.
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Muhe sirf aik baat kaa jawab chahiye un logoon se jo kisi ke qatal pe itna khush ho rahe hain!!! Aaqa Inaamdaar (SAW) ke saath, un ke saaye main, jo munaafiqeen rehte the, woh log jin kee munafiqi kee Khaaliq Azeem (SWT) ne khud aagahi dee, un main se kitnoon ko maar dene kaa hukum Allah Pak (SWT) kee zaat azeem ne Aaqa (SAW) ko diya, yaa un main se kitnoon ko Aaqa Inaamdar (SAW) ne apni taraf se mot dee???

Just quote me something that makes the tally cross 0, and I will be in complete accord with you guys!!!
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Haan bilkul yeh hukum Aaqa (SAW) ne diya.. Ab jin logoon ke liye yeh hukum diya gaya un main se Aaqa (SAW) ke sab se bare dushman Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl kaa ihwaal mulahiza keejiye:

Ikrima was among the most highly regarded amongst the Quraysh, being wealthy and of noble lineage. His father, Abu Jahl, was the foremost proponent of Shirk and one of the greatest tyrants of Makkah. He wouldn't leave any opportunity to ridicule or abuse the Prophet (s.a.w.), and severely tortured the Believers to renounce their Faith. Ikrimah was his father's unwavering supporter. His animosity towards the Prophet, his persecution of his followers and his attempts to block the progress of Islam and the Muslims won the admiration of his father.

At Badr, Abu Jahl led the Makkan polytheists in the battle against the Muslims. He swore by al-Laat and al-Uzza that he would not return to Makkah unless he crushed Muhammad. Abu Jahl was among the first to fall in the battle. His son Ikrimah saw him as spears pierced his body and heard him let out his last cry of agony. Ikrimah returned toMakkah leaving behind corpse of the Quraysh chieftain, his father. He wanted to bury him in Makkah but the crushing defeat they suffered made this impossible. From that day, he became an avowed enemy of Islam, with an intense hatred of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and the Companions.

His burning passion to avenge for his father's death resulted in the battle of Uhud. Leading the right flank of the Quraysh was Khalid ibn Walid. On the left was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. The Quraysh inflicted heavy losses on the Muslims and felt that they had avenged themselves for the defeat at Badr.

Nine years after his hijrah, the Prophet returned with thousands of his companions to Makkah. The Quraysh saw them approaching and decided to leave the way open for them because they knew that the Prophet had given instructions to his commanders not to open hostilities. Ikrimah and some others however, went against the consensus of the Quraysh and attempted to block the progress of the Muslim forces. Khalid ibn al-Walid, now a Muslim, met and defeated them in a small engagement during which some of Ikrimah's men were killed and others who could fled. Among those who escaped was Ikrimah himself. Any standing or influence that Ikrimah may have had was now completely destroyed. The Prophet (s.a.w.) entered Makkah and gave a general pardon and amnesty to all Quraysh who entered the sacred mosque, or who stayed in their houses or who went to the house of Abu Sufyan, the paramount Quraysh leader. However he refused to grant amnesty to a few individuals whom he named. He gave orders that they should be killed even if they were found under the covering of the Kabah. At the top of this list was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. When Ikrimah learnt of this, he slipped out of Makkah in disguise and headed for the Yemen.

Umm Hakim, Ikrimah's wife, then went to the camp of the Prophet. With her was Hind bint Utbah, the wife of Abu Sufyan and the mother of Mu'awiyah, and about ten other women who wanted to pledge allegiance to the Prophet. At the camp, were two of his wives, his daughter Fatimah and some women of the Abdulmuttalib clan. Umm Hakim got up and professed her faith in Islam and said: "O Messenger of God, Ikrimah has fled from you to the Yemen out of fear that you would kill him. Grant him security and God will grant you security." "He is secure", promised the Prophet. Umm Hakim set out immediately in search of Ikrimah. Accompanying her was a Greek slave. When they had gone quite far on the way, he tried to seduce her but she managed to put him off until she came to a settlement of Arabs. She sought their help against him. They tied him up and kept him. Umm Hakim continued on her way until she finally found Ikrimah on the coast of the Red Sea in the region of Tihamah. Umm Hakim came up to Ikrimah and said: "O cousin, I have come to you from the most generous of men, the most righteous of men, the best of men... From Muhammad ibn Abdullah. I have asked him for an amnesty for you. This he has granted. So do not destroy yourself. " "Have you spoken to him?" "Yes, I have spoken to him and he has granted you amnesty", she assured him and he returned with her. She told him about the attempt of their Greek slave to dishonour her and Ikrimah went directly to the Arab settlement where he lay bound and killed him. At one of their resting places on their way back, Ikrimah wanted to sleep with his wife but she vehemently refused and said: "I am a Muslimah and you are a Mushrik." Ikrimah was totally taken aback and said, "Living without you and without your sleeping with me is an impossible situation."

As Ikrimah approached Makkah, the Prophet (s.a.w.) told his companions: "Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl shall come to you as a believer and a muhajir (a refugee). Do not insult his father. Insulting the dead causes grief to the living and does not reach the dead." Upon arrival, they went straight to the Prophet, who got up and greeted him enthusiastically. "Muhammad", said Ikrimah, "Umm Hakim has told me that you have granted me an amnesty." "That's right, you are safe." he (s.a.w) replied. "To what do you invite?" asked Ikrimah. "I invite you to testify that there is no god but Allah and that I am the servant of Allah and His messenger, to establish Prayer and pay the Zakat and carry out all the other obligations of Islam." "By God," responded Ikrimah, "You have only called to what is true and you have only commanded that which is good. You lived among us before the start of your mission and then you were the most trustworthy of us in speech and the most righteous of us." Stretching forth his hands he said, "I testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and His messenger." The Prophet then instructed him to say, "I call on God and those present here to witness that I am a Muslim who is a Mujahid and a Muhajir". This Ikrimah repeated and then said: "I ask you to ask God for forgiveness for me for all the hostility I directed against you and for whatever insults I expressed in your presence or absence." The Prophet replied with the prayer: "O Lord, forgive him for all the hostility he directed against me and from all the expeditions he mounted wishing to put out Your light. Forgive him for whatever he has said or done in my presence or absence to dishonour me." Ikrimahs face beamed with happiness. "By God, O messenger of Allah, I promise that whatever I have spent obstructing the way of God, I shall spend twice as much in His path, and whatever battles I have fought against God's way I shall fight twice as much in His way." From that day on, Ikrimah was committed to the mission of Islam as a brave horseman in the field of battle and as a steadfast worshipper spending much time in mosques and reading the Qur'an. Often he would place the Qur'an on his face and say, "The Book of my Lord, the words of my Lord" and he would cry from the fear of God.

Ikrimah remained true to his pledge to the Prophet. He never failed to engage in any Jihad thereafter, and was always in the vanguard of the army. At the battle of Yarmuk he plunged bravely into the attack. In one encounter in which the Muslims were under heavy attack, Ikrimah penetrated deep into the ranks of the Byzantine. Khalid ibn al-Walid rushed up to him and said, "Don't, Ikrimah. Your death will be a severe blow to the Muslims." "Let us carry on, Khalid," said Ikrimah. "You had the privilege of being with the Messenger of God before this. As for myself and my father, we were among his bitterest enemies. Leave me now to atone for what I have done in the past. I fought the Prophet on many occasions. Shall I now flee from the Byzantines? This shall never be." Then calling out to the Muslims, he shouted, "Who shall pledge to fight until death?" Four hundred Muslims eagerly responded to his call. They plunged into the battle and fought heroically without the leadership of Khalid ibn al-Walid. Their daring attack paved the way for a decisive Muslim victory.

When the battle was over, the bodies of three wounded mujahideen lay sprawled on the battleground, among them Al-Harith ibn Hisham, Ayyash ibn Abi Rabiah and Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. Al-Harith called for water to drink. As it was brought to him, Ayyash looked at him, so Harith said: "Give it to Ayyash." By the time they got to Ayyash, he had just breathed his last. When they returned to al-Harith and Ikrimaha, they found that they too had passed away. The companions prayed that God may be pleased with them all and grant them refreshment from the spring of Kawthar in Paradise, a refreshment after which there is thirst no more.
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And the tally didnt tick still, cuz I was not asking about non muslims, I was asking about those who were under the garb of Islam but still had malicious intent for Aaqa (SAW) himself and Islam and who mocked Aaqa (SAW) on their back and Aaqa (SAW) were well aware of that.
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As per my view,

I did not hear any word against( blasphemy law) from any judge ,why Salman Taseer used term Black Law and some other harsh words against Scholars and religious people.

If salman Taseer had any suggestion regarding this law he should have contacted to Scholars to make any draft. Who gave him authority to use his opinion in such Islamic Laws.

Ulemas ( Scholars ) and Sharia court judges have the authority to say any word for or against any Islamic law.

Salman Taseer used wrong words.His character was doubtful ( his personal life video is available on youtube, it created more doubtfulness )
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Question is that why Salman went to Asia Bibi?
There are many people in prison who are not defaulter. Many people are innocent. Many people are asking for help.
Then why Asia BiBi?
Because she was a poor old christian who is naturally ally less and hapless in the midst of our Mullah led theocratic as well as hypocritic society.

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As per my view,

I did not hear any word against( blasphemy law) from any judge ,why Salman Taseer used term Black Law and some other harsh words against Scholars and religious people.

If salman Taseer had any suggestion regarding this law he should have contacted to Scholars to make any draft. Who gave him authority to use his opinion in such Islamic Laws.

Ulemas ( Scholars ) and Sharia court judges have the authority to say any word for or against any Islamic law.

Salman Taseer used wrong words.His character was doubtful ( his personal life video is available on youtube, it created more doubtfulness )
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You have not heard any word from any judge because everybody fears for his life. Have you forgotten Justice Bhatti, killed in 1997 by some fanatic because he had acquited an accused from the preposterous charge of Blasphemy. What do you in all your senses expect after such occurences?

It's a free country. You can comment on anything, especially more so if its a bogus man-made law that obviously needs revision of the highest order. Islamic or non-Islamic tabs don't make them anybody's private property that can't be touched.

What do you mean by Ulema and Scholars? Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman, who can't find time from making corrupt deals or Mufti Munib who can't get the whole nation to celebrate Eid on a single day? Scholars such as Ghamdi have endorsed the view that these laws need to be amended. Why don't you accept their voice?

Taseer's life and character has nothing to do with his murder. If you can't understand this much, then boy you are way too naive.

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