Friday, May 03, 2024
03:54 PM (GMT +5)

Go Back   CSS Forums > General > Discussion

Discussion Discuss current affairs and issues helpful in CSS only.

Closed Thread Share Thread: Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook     Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter     Submit Thread to Google+ Google+    
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #81  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Gulrukh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 631
Thanks: 644
Thanked 419 Times in 286 Posts
Gulrukh is just really niceGulrukh is just really niceGulrukh is just really niceGulrukh is just really niceGulrukh is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by most wanted View Post
it's quite queer to c brothers and sisters on the board, criticising an emotional act of Mumtaz Qadri with such emotionalism. gul niazi, reading ur post indicates that if u were judge to this case, u might fire 54 bullets in Qadri's chest without announcing the court decision...
haan shukar karo judge nai hoon..warna qatil ko chowk per crane sey latka key saza deti.

any ways u have right to express your opinion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by most wanted View Post
v always analyse things frm the direction that our mind setup support, and believe in what is told and seen to us, lets think that most of us watched and heard salman taseer on TV, while his bodyguard used to be with him round the clock, so definetly he (Qadri) would know and judge him and his views far better than us.

Don't v think that a person who can call blasphamy law a black law before media, can go a few steps a head while behind the scene, i mean discussing it in personal where only his bodygaurd can compamy him.
So now your judgement stands on the point of assumption..That may be Governor used to blaspheme our religion in privacy..Then tomorrow you can also accuse me of this becaz of my or some one else's lavish life style.or Becaz we too happen to discuss this blasphemy law.

Body guard have just one duty on earth and that is his master's well being..Who on earth gave him the license or permission to guard his moral or ethical life..To take so much interest in his personal life..if tomorrow you hire a body guard and he turns out to be your critic then tell me what you will do..If he starts acting like your master will you allow him ?

This man has transgressed his duty.He has killed his employer.A person who had bestowed faith n loyalty in him..How badly this man has betrayed him.shame on him.



Quote:
Originally Posted by most wanted View Post
an other point most of the times v listen around us that "muhabat aur jung ma sab jaiez ha"
ye bhi insaan ka banaya hua qanoon hai..kia jaiz hai..kuch bhi nahin..just by this line you get the excuse of crossing all limits which shivers humanity.
just an excuse n nothing else..God never allows crossing all limits.

Quote:
Originally Posted by most wanted View Post
aur pir Qadri sab k Mahboob (SAW) ki hasti ko b to daky... log apny mamuli sa mashooq k ley kia kia nai kar jaty...
Allah aur Rasool key naam per ham sirf qatal karna hi jantey hain..There are other things too..why not to fight them first..ham log to khair wo hain jo Taliban ki bhi muzamat nai kartey..ye to phir some thing else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by most wanted View Post
aur ager koi kehta ha k, salman taseer ki zindagi jo chali gai to mery khyal ma ya koi bari bat nai q k hamary mulk ma rozana hazaro be-ghuna log mary ja rahy ha, aur yahi elite class un ki koi parwa nai karti, to hum q in ki parwa kary, marty jaay...
In front of God every human is equal..think about after life not here.Death of any person is condemnable whether he is rich or poor..bachey ameer key bhi rothey hain aur ghareeb key bhi..grief is equal..have a kind heart my bro.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Gulrukh For This Useful Post:
floydian (Sunday, January 09, 2011), Sandhurst (Sunday, January 09, 2011)
  #82  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Sandhurst's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pakistan
Posts: 81
Thanks: 39
Thanked 109 Times in 38 Posts
Sandhurst is on a distinguished road
Default

most wanted
v always analyse things frm the direction that our mind setup support, and believe in what is told and seen to us, lets think that most of us watched and heard salman taseer on TV, while his bodyguard used to be with him round the clock, so definetly he (Qadri) would know and judge him and his views far better than us.

Don't v think that a person who can call blasphamy law a black law before media, can go a few steps a head while behind the scene, i mean discussing it in personal where only his bodygaurd can compamy him.


@most wanted

What a stupid thing to say! Qadri was not a bodyguard who was with Taseer around the clock. Whenever Taseer would come to Islamabad Punjab Govt. would depute Elite Force personnel from Rawalpindi with him for his protection. Taseer's usual guards would stay back in Lahore. On the particular day, Qadri got himself deputed on VIP duty just to murder Taseer. So Qadri was neither his regular bodyguard nor such bodyguards are allowed to accompany the VIPs in their rooms or residential quarters where people discuss things. such bodyguards just follow the VIP in separate vehicles.


Also, how can you make assumptions about what someone does in private? If u start killing people just on the basis of ridiculous assumptions, u will end up killing everyone who begs to differ from your views.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sandhurst For This Useful Post:
floydian (Sunday, January 09, 2011), Saad Qaisrani (Monday, January 10, 2011)
  #83  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Tassawur's Avatar
Senior Member
Qualifier: Awarded to those Members who cleared css written examination - Issue reason: CE 2011 - Roll no 8157Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sargodha
Posts: 1,883
Thanks: 1,609
Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,328 Posts
Tassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdom
Default Sach Kehnay ki kissi main jurrat he nai .

A worth reading piece
Sach Kehnay ki kissi main jurrat he nai .
Hay koi is Society main jo Salman Taseer ki tara kahay
Aj bazar main pa ba jola'n challo..........
Rakht e dil baandh lo dil figaro challo
Phir hami qatal ho aain yaro challo

Source
Colum
Raoof Clasra
Express Jan 09, 2010
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/...01140503-2.gif
Attached Thumbnails
Taseer was open, brave and ready to die-sach-hay.jpg  
__________________
Thanks Allah
  #84  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Fnoor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Dubai/Lahore
Posts: 105
Thanks: 37
Thanked 44 Times in 28 Posts
Fnoor is on a distinguished road
Default

Lets should not jump to the conclusion & accused one innocent or culprit....We should wait for the verdicts and police investigation which only can reveal the actual motive of Mumtaz Qadri behind Taseer's murders.....!

Investigators are looking for a cleric who had motivated Malik Mumtaz Qadri to kill Punjab Governor Salman Taseer.
According to the sources, Qadri attended a congregation on Dec 31 near his house in Sadiqabad, Rawalpindi, where the cleric delivered a speech on blasphemy.

Admired by the speech Qadri met the cleric separately and discussed with him the issue of killing people committing blasphemy. The cleric had encouraged Qadri to kill when he asked how to deal with a blasphemer, the sources added
After the motivation I decided to kill the governor,” Qadri reportedly told investigators. Details about the cleric have been collected and his name has been put on the list of wanted man.

Here in my opinion that cleric is also equally resposible for this muder and he should also be punished so that in future before giving wrong guidance all Ulmas, clerics and preachers would bed aware about the consequences.....I need experts thoughts on this..

In the last
I couldn't understand one thing from the part of government or security when it was clearly written on his file that Mumtaz Qadri is "not suitable for VVIP security"then how he was posted with governor.
__________________
Fortune Favours the Brave....!
The Following User Says Thank You to Fnoor For This Useful Post:
floydian (Sunday, January 09, 2011)
  #85  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Tassawur's Avatar
Senior Member
Qualifier: Awarded to those Members who cleared css written examination - Issue reason: CE 2011 - Roll no 8157Medal of Appreciation: Awarded to appreciate member's contribution on forum. (Academic and professional achievements do not make you eligible for this medal) - Issue reason: Diligent Service Medal: Awarded upon completion of 5 years of dedicated services and contribution to the community. - Issue reason:
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sargodha
Posts: 1,883
Thanks: 1,609
Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,328 Posts
Tassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdomTassawur is a bearer of wisdom
Default Saudi Arab's largest read newspaper'sn editorialcalling Taseer a "martyr"

Murder in Pakistan

Leaders should stand up and rally the country against the forces of intolerance

Just when it seems things could not get worse for Pakistan, they do. It is not enough that the country has an economy in crisis or that terrorism remains undefeated. Now, close on the heels of the decision by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) to quit the governing coalition, raising the possibility that it will fall, the governor of the country’s richest and most populous province, Punjab, has been assassinated.

This killing of Salman Taseer, a leading figure in the main coalition partner, the Pakistan People’s Party, and a close confidant of President Asif Ali Zardari, is, however, more serious than the political crisis. Prime Minister Yousaf Reza Gilani’s position is relatively safe for the moment — indeed, even safer as a result of the killing. Even before it happened, the MQM indicated that it would not join a vote of no-confidence in Gilani. The main opposition party, the Pakistan Muslim League-N then voiced similar sentiments based, it has to be suspected, on the knowledge that without the MQM’s support, it would lose such a vote. Now, however, none of the main parties are going to want an election in such an emotionally charged atmosphere.

Unfortunately, Pakistan’s detractors will use this slaying to try and blacken its name. They will claim that bigotry and extremism have infiltrated every level of society.

It will be used too by those who want to pressure the country into pursuing their political and military agendas. They will say it proves it is a chaotic and dangerous state and that if it is not to fall apart completely, it has to take tougher measures against terrorists and extremists — as if it were not already fighting with all its might against them! But that has not stopped the leaders of Germany, France and the UK demanding it do more.

There will be those too, who use this killing to flaunt their fear and ignorance of Islam, claiming it as proof, after the church massacres in Baghdad and Alexandria, of growing Muslim extremism and bigotry worldwide.

That is demonstrably untrue. There is bigotry in Pakistan but then it exists in every society. Clearly the murder was an act of religious fanaticism. But it was individuals who were responsible, not a mass movement.

Taseer was murdered by one or perhaps more bigots who believed that he wanted to repeal the country’s blasphemy law. But he was a Muslim, not his murderer or those who, sickeningly, celebrate this evil deed. He worked for the good of his country trying to promote tolerance and understanding and peace between its different communities. He stood up against extremism and violence. It cost him his life and that makes him a martyr and his heartless, grinning murderer an ignorant instrument of evil.

But while Pakistan has lost a bold campaigner for truth and justice, there is comfort for it in the knowledge that Taseer was not alone. There is a host of other activists whose faith is generous and embracing and who refuse to be intimidated by the twisted advocates of hatred.

Pakistan is deeply shocked by this murder. This could be a defining moment for its leaders to stand up and rally the country against the deviant forces that would bring darkness to it and Islam. As for those Islamophobes who would see in Taseer’s murder proof of fanaticism, they should look instead to the Islam he stood for — a faith that pursues justice, truth and respect, the real Islam.
Source
Editorial
Arab News
Jan 5, 2010.
http://arabnews.com/opinion/article229917.ece
__________________
Thanks Allah
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tassawur For This Useful Post:
floydian (Sunday, January 09, 2011), Sandhurst (Sunday, January 09, 2011)
  #86  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
shrd's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Faisal Abad-Lahore
Posts: 200
Thanks: 142
Thanked 442 Times in 127 Posts
shrd will become famous soon enoughshrd will become famous soon enough
Default

@Sandhurst, you are absolutely right brother. you exactly said that which every one should try to recognize.
__________________
Main ne Allah Ko apney iraadon ke totney se pehchana hay...!!
Hazrat Ali (R.A)
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to shrd For This Useful Post:
Aspirant1 (Saturday, September 03, 2011), Sandhurst (Sunday, January 09, 2011)
  #87  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
most wanted's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: k.p.k, Galactic plane.
Posts: 175
Thanks: 174
Thanked 126 Times in 77 Posts
most wanted will become famous soon enough
Cool

@polaris
@gul niazi

cool down yar!
dears, hum khan log to wasy hi emotionalism k ley badnam ha, ap to hum sa kahi bar kr ho...

my dears plz ap zara emotionalism ka chashma anko sa utar kar once again mery post ko read kar ley, u people will get my stance...

v r not here to vote for Mr. taseer or for Mr. Qadri. v have courts to decide the issue after complete investigation. if u really want to discuss the issue then let discuss it from different angles... and keep in mind that assumption is very necessary tool in social research. only with the help of it, one can analyse an issue fom differnt angles and can reach to a sound solution...
__________________
“Taleba Khawre ba Mula shai, Pa Kitab Porot ye Yadawai Shinki Khaluna”
The Following User Says Thank You to most wanted For This Useful Post:
Glaring (Monday, January 10, 2011)
  #88  
Old Sunday, January 09, 2011
Fnoor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Dubai/Lahore
Posts: 105
Thanks: 37
Thanked 44 Times in 28 Posts
Fnoor is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
keep in mind that assumption is very necessary tool in social research. only with the help of it, one can analyse an issue fom differnt angles and can reach to a sound solution...
Do you really think we still need this tool when already Qadri himelf convicted his intention behind Mr Taseer's murder.....! And he caught red handed...

We are using this tool for past so many years and specially the usage increased after Benazir assasination but what happend till now is there any progress?

do not take as criticize or to defend anyone.....But everone respect the law. when we come into this stage where we find ourselves above the law then such kind of incidents takes place.
__________________
Fortune Favours the Brave....!

Last edited by Andrew Dufresne; Monday, January 10, 2011 at 11:47 PM.
The Following User Says Thank You to Fnoor For This Useful Post:
Glaring (Monday, January 10, 2011)
  #89  
Old Monday, January 10, 2011
Glaring's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: In the city of playful people...
Posts: 107
Thanks: 107
Thanked 67 Times in 44 Posts
Glaring is on a distinguished road
Default Murtad (Apostacy) and Gustakhi (Blasphemy) in Islam

While browsing major websites, forums, blasphemic literature and discussion threads online, we realize that not only Non-Muslims but some Muslims too are indulging themselves in a very serious sin or act of blasphemy or hate words against any religion whose reprecussions don't stop at an individual or an organization but go onto whole humanity. Looking at this subject's importance we should explore it further and find the answers that pacify our questioning souls.

AS PER CHRISTIANITY & JUDAISM:

The punishment for blasphemy in most of the major religions is death. It is stated in the Old Testament of the Bible, which is the authority for both the Jews and the Christians:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: [Book of Leviticus 24:16]

AS PER HINDUISM:

In the religious book of Manusmriti, the Law book of the Hindus, it says:

“If a man born of a lower class intentionally bothers a priest, the king should punish him physically with various forms of corporal and capital punishment that make men shudder.” [Manusmriti 9:248]

AS PER ISLAM:

Regarding the punishment for blasphemy in Islam, it is mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an:

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:33].

Hence, it is only Islam that gives 3 different options for blashphmy and apostacy punishment in addition to death...


We Should Wait for the Findings of Court....
__________________
Then Which of the favors of your LORD will you deny? (Surah Al-Rehman)
The Following User Says Thank You to Glaring For This Useful Post:
Asif Amin (Monday, January 10, 2011)
  #90  
Old Monday, January 10, 2011
39th CTP (DMG)
CSP Medal: Awarded to those Members of the forum who are serving CSP Officers - Issue reason: CE 2010 - Merit 8
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Rawalpindi/Dera Ghazi Khan
Posts: 94
Thanks: 70
Thanked 115 Times in 53 Posts
Saad Qaisrani is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tassawur View Post
Murder in Pakistan

Leaders should stand up and rally the country against the forces of intolerance

Just when it seems things could not get worse for Pakistan, they do. It is not enough that the country has an economy in crisis or that terrorism remains undefeated. Now, close on the heels of the decision by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) to quit the governing coalition, raising the possibility that it will fall, the governor of the country’s richest and most populous province, Punjab, has been assassinated.
...
Just what I have been pointing out all along! Taseer is a Martyr in this nation's war against intolerance and bigotry! A Shaheed! My Shaheed!

Last edited by Andrew Dufresne; Monday, January 10, 2011 at 11:47 PM. Reason: Quote
Closed Thread


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
More Than 2000 Words to enhance Vocabulary Qurratulain English (Precis & Composition) 22 Saturday, June 13, 2020 01:55 PM
People beware ! Hurriah Islam 17 Monday, January 13, 2020 09:40 AM
King Lear ( SHAKESPEARE) complete Ahmad Bilal English Literature 2 Monday, December 06, 2010 09:15 AM
""face The Nation"chief Executive’s Talk free thinker Pakistan Affairs 0 Monday, May 01, 2006 06:29 AM


CSS Forum on Facebook Follow CSS Forum on Twitter

Disclaimer: All messages made available as part of this discussion group (including any bulletin boards and chat rooms) and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of CSSForum.com.pk (unless CSSForum.com.pk is specifically identified as the author of the message). The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that CSSForum has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to the forum to report any objectionable message in site feedback. This forum is not monitored 24/7.

Sponsors: ArgusVision   vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.