first of all we have to see the causes of upriseing in arabian countries i would notcall it revoulation because it to me uprising. We need do understand the diffrence b/w uprising and revoulation, in countries like pakistan such could not exist because there is diffrence in the said countries and pakistan. There rulers were for long time it is right pakistan had long rules of army dictators but masses thrown them out by "sponsered agitations",as far as your comments regarding certain cellular network is concerned it may be a factor but we should take it as possitve if by this media campiegn if people aware of their of right it is not a big deal.

@ Javed Ahmed Nizamani

Saudi Kingdom is megalomaniac.
Kissing the hands of King is not Shirk??
worship of king is not shirk?? Taking help from king instead of Allah is not shirk??
They want people to revolve around themselves & their palaces.
King Family consider themselves all in all of everything.
Only Allah Almighty is all in all.
No one is above law.
They consider themselves above law.
They are idols of the time!

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There are many forms of govt that can find way to Saudi Arabia. Caliphate is of course the best one but for the time being is in doldrums. A second best is a republic with a single head leading it. I personally dont care much for democracy of a haywire kind. But Saudi monarchy is the illegitimate child of a protracted British scheme, neither is a monarchy in tandem with God's laws. There is nothing wrong with a Caliphate over a vast area for a Caliphate is simply put, an Islamic empire which is vast by its very nature. The institution was kept alive for over a millennia so even thats not a question. But spiritually speaking, I dont think its coming back until the end of times.

About Wahhabi Islam, well thats just gonna steer this whole discussion elsewhere and many arent gonna appreciate it either. I had discussed the evil philosophy behind it in another thread-which was subsequently shut down . Sadly, we have begun to protect and get all tetchy about the sect we adhere to, instead of doing the same for Allah and His Prophet (SAW). It wasnt ever meant to be about sects, it was always about the Kalima and its components. Yet, the political/religious degenerative path carved out by Saudi Wahhabis propels one to at least condemn it. No muslim asks help from Saints alone. EVERY muslim knows very well that the source of all power and authority flourishes from Allah alone. When praying to Allah though, we use a wasila (source) sometimes. This may be a good deed you ever did, His Prophets, His angels, His creation, and similarly his Saints or pious men. Thats not shirk at all. There are alot more serious things we should be worried about that annoy Allah more.

Aphrodite, was the greek goddess of love and beauty.

Rixwan is very right in his view that it is not revolution rather a conspiracy.

Firstly, the cause of this uprising are frustrated population who are poitically disenfranchised, economically disempowered and socialy supressed. All these are the apparent causes, however the critical point is, whether this type of condition exit in the arab world only? what about Africa and Europe?

Secondly, the discriminatory attitude of the west is another point to verify it. As you all know that the West (US) has its interests in Behrain and Yeman where it has 5th fleet and the role of the government in war against terror respectively. however the tough sanctions and war are launched on Libya only. Why leave Behrain and Yeman, the conditions are same in all of the three countries?

Thirdly, the uprising, in Tunisia and Egypt, was tried to be sustained by France and the US respectively, however when it was felt that the popular uprising can not be controled by the highly westernized rulers, the same countries supported the uprising.

Forthly, Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yeman clearly said that the uprising is controled by an office in TelAviv.

All above and so many other factors prove that the popular uprising in the arab world and north africa is not a revolution rather it is a conspiracy. however the uprising would still bring benifit for the people of those countries as they get rid of all generation-long rulers. But the ultimate benifit is to the elements outside these countries.

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"If you really want to achieve something the whole universe conspires for you to get your dream realized."

No doubt, western countries are trying to hijack the popular uprising in Arab World & Northern Africa to axe their own grind.

They bombarded in Libya ,but In the name of Human rights violation they never intervened in case of Palestine & Kashmir uprisings.They only intervened to rescue Israel (in case of Hizbollah Vs Israel).
This depicts hypocrisy of western countries.
They are silent over Bahrain & Yemen uprising as well.
Inshah Allah! pro-west Arab dictators fall is very near.
Western countries want to settle their old scores with their enemies through these uprisings.

To some extent,element of conspiracy cannot be ignored. Especially, in case of Syria, Libya & Iran ,the bitter enemies of West.

In 2009-2010 western Countries tried to destabilize Iran through their pseudo-uprising but failed.

They want to entangle Iran through their sectarian games ,in order to have a cause of attack over Iran.
But Iranians leadership is well aware of western hidden agenda of "divide & rule".Iranian leadership has openly denounced sectarianism.


Muslim Unity Zindabaad!
Pakistan Zindabaad!

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very right Pakistan Zindabad,

we can, i think, assume that the uprising is indegenious which is against the repressive regimes and asking for the fundamental rights of supressed and frustrated people. this is a very positive sign in muslim countries as the repressive dictators of the arab world have always been pro west and never took into consideration the aspirations of their people. now the subject has strated a movement to get rid of these rulers, not owing to thier loyality to the west but due to their repressive and dictatorial attitude towards their public.

However, this indegenious uprising is being hijacked by the west, in some countries to settle the old scores. now for the west it is a pick and choose game whereby they have to decide how to use existing situation for thier own intersts. for example, in egypt, the west would try to bring a person on the presidency who can easily be trapped into their interst game. in Yeman, the west did not find such a person yet, hence it is not in favour of regime change. In Behrain, the west has intersts in keeping the existing regime in power so it is just trying to protect the farmer. Contrary to that, in Libya, the qadaffi rule has been a bone of contention for the west for many decades, it was only recently that some rapproachment was achieved. However, the west know that qaddafi in power is not in thier favour so it is trying to have the regime changed. some analyst are of the view that oil game is another important factor for attacking on Libya. whatever the main aim of the west in Libayan attack are, the fact of the matter is that the Libyan people are aginst the ruler and want him to leave now.

although in syria and iran, the uprising is not as much as in other countries but here the west seems to be trying hard to exploit the current uprising for its own benifit.

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"If you really want to achieve something the whole universe conspires for you to get your dream realized."

Why Saudi Arabia need support of Pakistan?

Unrest in the Arab world: Islamabad assures Riyadh of support – The Express Tribune

Do they want our Forces to crush rebellion in their country & Bahrain?

Is Saudi Arabia next? – The Express Tribune

Should we remain silent over that?
Is there any Human & ethical responsibility upon us?
YouTube - 'Brutal attacks' alleged in Bahrain

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i think revolutions takes place in more suppressed people and societies.we should firstly think about those areas, people and governments where the revolutions came. where the dictators ruled for many years where there is no freedom of expression where common people are ignore by the ruling class then i thnk revolutions are must.and also conspiracy always become successful in those people when there are the above weaknesses.

@Pakistan Zindabaad

See first post of this thread and post youtube video's properly using [youtube] tag.

The uprising is least of all 'indigenous'. Now the West is openly admitting that its time to arm the Libyan rebels- as if they werent doing that from the start. In Egypt, Al-Baradei was catapulted to forefront against Mobarak. Strange, cuz the chap had recently returned from a posting in IAEA and this was the first mission he felt like undertaking. Nor is he the type you'd expect to be a natural leader, he is more meek. In fact, as of late the members of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt had chanted to Clinton to "Go to hell" when she arrived in Al-Tahrir square to meet them, and later El-Baradei himself was also told to get lost because "You are an American and have lived there. We dont want Americans to rule us". Clinton has been seen hopscotching her way across revolt hit states, meeting up with their 'interim' governments where applicable.

So its anything but homegrown. Arabs are the least 'moved' people these days when it comes to ideology and religion. What religion do they have remaining today and what is it that they practice really? You'll have to visit arab lands to understand how their elite or even middle class lives.

Israel really wants to gain world power but it cant do so without challenging its neighbors and creating a vaster territory with vaster resources. This is it.