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Islam does not allow man to strike woman on face.

Dear, Is women allowed to beat man on back etc under same circumstances?
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@farah zafar , you have gone beyong the point of matters . No doubt women are given certain rights . The rights given are no proof of its equality to man. Normally rights are given to a inferior objects in order to preserve its existence . We are talking about status of man in relation with women .

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Dear, Is women allowed to beat man on back etc under same circumstances?
No women is no authority to men . A woman can not beat man . For your information a woman can not be guardian of her children . She can only be custodian of her childeren when they are below 7 years of age . Reference Is Muhammadan Law by DF Mullah that is part of syllabus of css syllabus.Man is guardian of children .

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@farah zafar , you have gone beyong the point of matters . No doubt women are given certain rights . The rights given are no proof of its equality to man. Normally rights are given to a inferior objects in order to preserve its existence . We are talking about status of man in relation with women .
I didn't go beyond but I tried to quote Islamic references to show status of woman.
Man is superior to woman;I agree because Islam declared so,then for what else you are burning your blood?
Obviously she was created for a man,Adam(A.S).If Adam didn't need a partner,woman would had not been created.Now what else?
I fear you can't digest women's superiority in fields where talent speaks only.Though she is inferior to man in marital life according to Islam yet she is EQUAL to man regarding talents and intelligence.

That's all.
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I didn't go beyond but I tried to quote Islamic references to show status of woman.
Man is superior to woman;I agree because Islam declared so,then for what else you are burning your blood?
Obviously she was created for a man,Adam(A.S).If Adam didn't need a partner,woman would had not been created.Now what else?
I fear you can't digest women's superiority in fields where talent speaks only.Though she is inferior to man in marital life according to Islam yet she is EQUAL to man regarding talents and intelligence.

That's all.
Thats it! The West questions why women is inferior to men. It is the base of their hatred towards Islam . What Taliban did became touchstone of Islamic Ideology . We need to use Ithihad , Ijma etc to give woman a status that is equal to man for it is the need of modern times.
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Women are certainly not equal to men in Islam, if the criteria is Western point of view. So call it old, outdated or whatever version you want to call it. There is fundamental difference between the Islamic point of view and western.

In Islam, the main criteria about permissibility of any thing is based on either "right" or "wrong". Right and wrong criteria is determined on the basis of Quran and Sahih Ahadith. In western mind the criteria for any thing is "good" or "bad", determined by their own self or on a larger scale by their parliament.

I will give you an example, in Islam there is parda for both men and women, but for women it is more obvious because of its nature i.e. chadar fully covering her except her face and hands (minimum criteria). So if someone says that I dont like parda for women, then in Islamic point of view it is not acceptable, because the decision for its rightness is decreed by Allah and/or is clarified further in Sahih Ahadis.

But the same action in western point of view is judged by the criteria of "good" or "bad", i.e. that a woman may say that I feel good to walk in streets wearing something very little or even nothing and also I am not going to harm any other person. So why I should not be allowed. This whole argument is based on what "I" feel "good" or "bad". On a larger scale their parliaments allow same sex marriage, based on the same criteria of good and bad.

So if you want to say that women equality in Islam is same as in western point of view, then I am afraid, you are right that women are not equal to men. It is because in Islam, men are a degree above to women, although reasons are obvious, but they can't think like us.
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Er snake, if you were to advise a woman; would you ask a woman to beat a man under any circumstances?
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Imbeciles who talk about rights of women in Islam as compared with Western countries do not know the historical background .. Women in those countries had a very few rights for themselves before the world war .. After the war when those countries found themselves short of man-power they started raising voices for this equality between men and women and made them to work alongside men .. Before that women were not even allowed to vote, they could not get a title to any land and many other rights that Islam had already given to women ..


@ Last Island ..

Ma'm why is it so that any aira ghaira without any basic knowledge of Islam comes here and posts anything he wishes .. One can ask for a view if he does not know anything, but posts such as these which also give the so-called references which don't have any base should be deleted without any argument .. It may astray many who have little or no knowledge
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On a larger scale, lets see the consequences of women equality to men.
I will go sequentially:

1. Women are equal to men.
2. They can do things like men do.
3. So why they should care for men.
4. They are doing jobs.
5. Due to jobs they are overburdened so they have less time for family.
6. Since their is little time for family, why to have a family in the first place?
7. Don't be a mother as you can not afford to have a family with kids.
8. Low birth rates.

Now see the consequences (hard facts):

1. For a civilization to sustain itself, that civilization need 2.1 kids per family (minimum criteria).
2. But in europe, that rate is 1.7 per family (in some countries this rate is much less than that).
3. In the long run, say 50 to 60 years, the native europeans will become minorities in most of the countries in europe.

So why should we follow them? agar wo kunwain main chalang laga rahe hain to kya ham bi lagayin.
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Polygyny is the religion's answer to cases where some men have excessive sexual needs that cannot be fulfilled by one wife.

what is the religions answer when some women have excessive sexual needs that cannot be fulfilled by one husband?


why not our religion allows women to hit men when they go astray?

what is the hikmat behind it?

by hitting a women are we not killing her self respect?even men makes mistake but they are not allowed to be hit by women.
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Thats a very imprudent course of reaction you are suggesting. No wise person would suggest that unless the woman is a wrestler or a trained fighter of some sort. And thats a rare case and risky still.
All i can say is; God help those who come to you for advise. :P Thank God we have God for advising us the wise way
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