Originally Posted by Last Island

Thread should be named "Garam Masala" Poora thread parh ke bhi nahi pata lagta keh aakhir topic of discussion hai kya.

Originally Posted by Last Island

Thread should be named "Garam Masala" Poora thread parh ke bhi nahi pata lagta keh aakhir topic of discussion hai kya.

Originally Posted by Last Island

Thread should be named "Garam Masala" Poora thread parh ke bhi nahi pata lagta keh aakhir topic of discussion hai kya.

Originally Posted by Last Island

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Originally Posted by hamza_salick86

Ub malmeen ne bhi mjhse ikhtilaf kia he..lekin us se merii issues pe bat hui he..I am more than happy to reply to her because us ne non-personal tareekay se kia he reply.I hate when somebody tries to drag me person rather than my ideas into the debate.That I cant stand.

@L.I..I see u have no email id in ur contact info.Can you please mail me on my email ID coz I want to talk to u about something.Would not be appropriate on the forum.

Originally Posted by hamza_salick86

I do not totally discount the fact that the Jewish lobby doesn't interfere with world politics.Yes to an extent they do.But I am severely against the approach of thinking that ever harm that is done to our country,or any trouble that befalls us is a jewish or RAW plot.This only divulges us from the real issue;our own mistakes and misdoings.Jews are not involved in everything bad thats happening to ur country.I would say for all the troubles facing Pakistan,20% might be due to this jewish lobby and 80% due to our own misdoings.Then again,if we let foreign powers and players infiltrate us,treat us like puppets,buy are military command and politicians/civil servants,whose mistake is this ultimately??Theirs?no,Ours.We have just found a convenient way out of every turmoil by putting the blame on other extraenous of foreign factors.Okay if the jews have infiltrated everything so deeply,why have the developed countries progressed.Now I know u might try and refute this argument by referring to things written in 'Zionist protocols',so I preemptively deny it by saying that OK if their economies are controlled by the jewish lobby,still the quality of life of the people their is better.Why aren't the jews causing any real harm to China,S.Korea,Japan,Brazil etc and why only focusing on us?This thought only pushes us more into our already ripe state of denial,and thus we totally exonerate ourselves from any blame.
@Salick
I admit that we have made great mistakes, i'm not denying. While talking about the quality of life of people of countries you stated above are QUITE different with us in Religious and Cultural values or say they are resembling to that of jews to some extant that is how relexed but again you'll consider me a fundamental or even extremist muslim if i'm saying all that. I'm sure you'll think so..
See,as I say,there is a fundamental difference in the school of thoughts.You belong to a school of thought I imply than thinks there is a RAW or Jewish sponsored hand behind every turmoil in Pakistan..I belong to a school of thought that says that everything is happening because of our own mistakes,past and present.We cannot exonerate ourselves from this fact because we have got quiet a dark national history.
Now talking about school of thoughts, then I have same thoughts about my politicians, army and history as you've. But i would have tilted towards those to whom you're, if our CONSTITUTIONS were made by really our own leaders.
Even if USA is present in Pakistan,who allowed them to come here??Zia fought a proxy for them.Musharref agreeg to sell our bases to them.Both were military dictators.Whereas two democratic governments atleast,the ZAB bhutto one and the Nawaz Shareef one have tried to sdistance Pakistan from this external or as u would call it,'Jewish' influence..
We were sold far before Musharraf even Zia when we were called a free state...
And yeah,I think it is a total fantasy that USA hasn't been able to touch Pakistan because ISI is there.Well,USA feeds ISI.They feed ur army.They always have.How can ISI go against their interests.And if they try going against them,they can attack a house near ur Military academy and carry out an operation there.4 terrorists or agents whatever u call them,held ur armed forces at bay for so many hours,no where is the competence in that?the slogan that ISI and Army have saved Pakistan is nothing but a rhetoric with not an iota of truth.When did they save Pakistan?Give me ONE example.
The example is the killing of thousands of Northern people, their sacrifice is safty for us and this safty is provided by ISI.. i hope you'll better understand!! I told you before that i'm not in their favour..
They have always been the aggressors,and they have always lost.In Simla,and in Kargil ur 'corrupt politicians' saved ur army from complete elimination and humiliation.And what did ur general do with those leaders??anyone?
Politicians?? May ALLAH give them Hidayah...!!
In the end I shall close my argument by saying that unless we start going over our mistakes,we won't be able to start correcting them.Things have to be put right.If we criticize and hold people accountable(Like I have been asking),this transition could be smooth.It could be a silent revolution.Otherwise,we might as well prepare for a bloodbath like the French Revolution or a repeat of 1971.Its upto u what u preferPERIOD