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We cannot blame anyone else whether India or US for what is happening in Balochistan.every country places their own interests before anything else.this is what US is doing after all it is being offered quite lucrative terms for supporting Balochistan cause.Our government never fell short of calling APC but so far what concrete step has been taken?nothing..Our Supreme court can take memogate case as a threat to national security but why it cannot take Balochistan case on urgent base which is real threat to our national security and integrity.If we became successful in appeasing common people then those handful of US or Indian supporters won’t be successful in their agenda.Moreover since long our security agencies are claiming that there is foreign involvement in Balochistan.If this is right then what they are doing???isn’t that their duty to identify and counter those involvements?? Instead of doing this they are targeting their own people…how strange!! They might be thinking this way they can suppress insurgency in Balochistan.The fact is this by adopting this policy we are inviting others to interfere in our internal matters.
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There are other vulnerabilities in our political system as well which other countries may attempt to exploit in future, for example Sindhi nationalism. Pressures are growing and growing on our state. Something must be done soon to bring stabilization throughout the country or I am afraid the situation might go from bad to worse. Although Sindhi nationalism is not organized and splintered across different ideologies and organizations and does not posses proper representation like Balochi nationalism, we must not forget it still has vast support of youth and student classes, some of who openly decry Pakistan, and it is also highly influenced by Balochi nationalism. Ignorance of any aspect is not an option.
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There are other vulnerabilities in our political system as well which other countries may attempt to exploit in future, for example Sindhi nationalism. Pressures are growing and growing on our state. Something must be done soon to bring stabilization throughout the country or I am afraid the situation might go from bad to worse. Although Sindhi nationalism is not organized and splintered across different ideologies and organizations and does not posses proper representation like Balochi nationalism, we must not forget it still has vast support of youth and student classes, some of who openly decry Pakistan, and it is also highly influenced by Balochi nationalism. Ignorance of any aspect is not an option.
The time has come to realize that anyone can take the advantage of our internal disunity, so we need to keep our house in order.These all are dangerous signs and we must strengthen ourselves to counter such propaganda.Any further mistake can be fatal (God forbids).
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as we are reviwing our foreign policy, we have to take a look on our domestic policy.domestically we are divided and rocked by terrorists. We have to initiate complete reformation on socio,economic and political fronts. In balochistan genuine political reconcialiation and strong political will are need of the hour to maintain peace and stability. We should bot repeat past mistakes again and again
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gentleman i think you are the spokes US secretary of state that's why you are here discussing the sovereign blochistan,,,,,,,,,,,,we don't need any enemy when the traitors like you are with in us,,,,,,,,,,,as you are distorting the history,,,,,,,,,,,, bangladesh is NOT the result of freedom movement but its more a result of agartila shazish case,,,,,,,,,i accept k bangaliyon k sath ziaditiyan hui but not like that k they demanded freedom,,,,,,,,,,,same is the case with blochistan there is a lot of foreign interference by india, usa as well as by israel,,,,,,,,,,,

but i just want to tell you that sovereign blochistan is merely a dream for you as well as for your masters,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


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Aray ye kiya?? rather than giving answers of his argument of double policy with reason you have started to label him a traitor. What a great style
Why we do not hesitate to label anyone traitor even though he/she do not even think about harming our country.
We have not right to label traitor with whom we are not agree
Why we do not perceive threat to sovereignty when Usama bin ladin cross border and live here. Why we do not make any fuss when our people and including soldiers killed by extremists.
And USA's govt. is not behind it, this bill has been passed by just two people.
USA, India, or Israel ko koe zarorat nahen apna time waste kernay ki hum log kafi hen is mulk ko destroy kernay k liye.
Education men hum pichay hen, polio men hum agay hen.......!! kiya is k pichay be trio ka hath hey kiya??
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Aray ye kiya?? rather than giving answers of his argument of double policy with reason you have started to label him a traitor. What a great style
Why we do not hesitate to label anyone traitor even though he/she do not even think about harming our country.
We have not right to label traitor with whom we are not agree
Why we do not perceive threat to sovereignty when Usama bin ladin cross border and live here. Why we do not make any fuss when our people and including soldiers killed by extremists.
And USA's govt. is not behind it, this bill has been passed by just two people.
USA, India, or Israel ko koe zarorat nahen apna time waste kernay ki hum log kafi hen is mulk ko destroy kernay k liye.
Education men hum pichay hen, polio men hum agay hen.......!! kiya is k pichay be trio ka hath hey kiya??
gentleman first of all i am not saying you traitor,,,,,,,,,,,,,so you are becoming the spokes person of that man,,,,,,,,,,,,

now i will give you the answer of your points,,,,,,,,,
let me tell you this is our motherland,,,,,,,,,we called it k "dharti maa hoti ha" or is motherland ko tornay ki bat kray,,,,,,,,,ya sovereign blochistan ki bat kray wo traitor ha,,,,,,,,

For 40 years, Pakistan politicians denied the existence of Agartala conspiracy which broke Pakistan. Army and the ISI wanted to punish the traitors in 1968 but the politicians like Asma Jahangir's father, Bhutto, Nawabzada Narullah Khan, Wali Khan, Akbar Bugti and the likes of them supported the traitors and called the treason case a politically motivated drama.

Pakistan broke because these politicians, in their deliberate hatred for the army and Pakistan, forced the army to take back the case, forced Ayub Khan to resign and then hold elections with these traitors winning in East Pakistan under the threat of Mukti Bahini. Then the civil war started.. and India invaded.

Today, all those who sided with Mujeeb ur Rehman are guilty of criminal treason against the state and Pakistan's ideology. Agartala was a reality. Now even the Bangladesh leaders acknowledge it. Now what should we do with those sided with the Indians back them and broke Pakistan. If they are not traitors, then who are they?
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gentleman i think you are the spokes US secretary of state that's why you are here discussing the sovereign blochistan,,,,,,,,,,,,we don't need any enemy when the traitors like you are with in us,,,,,,,,,,,as you are distorting the history,,,,,,,,,,,, bangladesh is NOT the result of freedom movement but its more a result of agartila shazish case,,,,,,,,,i accept k bangaliyon k sath ziaditiyan hui but not like that k they demanded freedom,,,,,,,,,,,same is the case with blochistan there is a lot of foreign interference by india, usa as well as by israel,,,,,,,,,,,

but i just want to tell you that sovereign blochistan is merely a dream for you as well as for your masters,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


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Thank you for calling me a traitor, however, get your facts straight about events in the past and present. How long will you blame others for your weaknesses? Indians faced many internal conflicts and so did many other countries, why wasn't Pakistan (our beloved country) able to take advantage and break their country just like you blame them for breaking ours? It's not that Pakistan never wanted that, but it's because the Indians never GAVE them a chance.. and no one demands for freedom in their own country as long as they are treated as they should be, bangalis were not treated as they should have been.. similar is the case of Baluchistan.. If we give them their due rights, how will the indians or israelis or usa etc interfere? Its our own fault.

Suggestion : Instead of being emotional and calling people traitor, work on your weaknesses and accept mistakes and work on corrections rather than justifying them.

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My dear please read your words . You are justifying the drone attacks .We all know where the drones attack , and who are the one,s who die there , BY THE WAY What about the civilians causalities ? the women and children ...? those are criminals ,kidnappers and terrorists???
There was never a serious war without civilian causalities. One can only minimize them, but they can NEVER be avoided. As they saying goes, Let a smaller loss take place to prevent a bigger one. You see those women and children die but you don't consider the criminal activities going on there which kills and/or destroys hundred times more innocent civilians? Why is that? The tribal elders allow the criminal elements and so does the local people, they earn $$ this way.. This is more or less an azaab on them.. It's an open secret that what kind of people live in those area, don't you know? I know innocent people also dies, but this is war.. innocent people die anyway.. when the same people run bombs into our cities and hotels, what is that? Criminals die or civilians? Drone attacks in those areas is something which Pak gov should have been doing, not the US.. now if US is doing our job, we should sit back if we can't appreciate.

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definitely every country has its own agenda as well to discuss, but US is trying to indulge themselves in the affairs of all the countries,we have the examples of IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ,SOUTH KOREA and many more including Pakistan.i don't know how this interference make any sense to you.
USA is a superpower, don't you know this? They have to protect their national interest and they can do anything they feel like is in their national interest. Yes, It might be something that is against us.. but we should protect ourselves, we CANNOT blame USA for this.. because whatever USA is doing is good for them as a superpower.. it might not be good for us, but it's good for themselves.. so you get my point now? If Pakistan were a superpower, Pakistan would've done the same.. or even worse.. and so would have any other country.. no one can lose their SUPERPOWER status and they will do anything (justified or not justified) to secure that position.

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If we had committed one mistake in the past, by mishandling Bangladesh issue, then why should we repeat it?we should learn from the past....it's not the freedom movement...it's just given the name of freedom movement by certain internal and external evil factors, like USA.
Again, It's our job to get things right in our country.. Also, what was the mistake in bangladesh? It was not giving them freedom, because we never gave them freedom.. they SNATCHED it from us.. by sheer FORCE.. you may say XYZ supported them.. but that's what they did.. The mistake has already been repeated, the mistake was NOT giving them rights which they deserved and we have already done the same with Baluchistan..

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What's the comparison of Kashmir and Balochistan??Kashmiris are fighting for independence, Balochs are independent, although no one can deny the fact that they are passing through bad time due to vested interests of certain groups and mishandling of the issue, but we should avoid giving such misleading interpretations.
Kashmiris are also independent (As per India definition) and Baluchistan is independent (as per Pakistan definition) .. so you see my friend? It all depends on how you look at things.. one nation's hero is others nation terrorist.. So, hope your queries has been answered.

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Brother mukt, case of Bangladesh was totally change and Bangalis never snatched Bangladesh but India attacked on it and even then we were able to get Her back but the behaviour of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto on 15th december, 1971 in security counil was astonishing, he deliberately behaved emotionally and didn't ask for Bangladesh because he never wanted the Bangladesh as a part of Pakistan. Of course he was afraid of the political strenght of Sheikh Mujibur Rehman! At that time our case was strong in security counil and Indian aggression was unjusifiable but we deliberately lost East Pakistan. Sory dear but you are wrong at that point that we were not able to defend it.
Get your facts straight, losers are losers.. and we were the losers.. Read some International facts and figures.. we lost big time.. and a huge sum of our army surrendered which is a shameful act. Anyway, The case wasn't much different.. it was all about rights, we denied it to bangalis and now we did the same with baluchis.

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Dear brother, we start slogans on the issue of Kashmir because it is neither part of India nor of Pakistan as per resolutions of UN. As per resolution, Kashmiris have right to become a part of Pakistan or India or to become a separate country and a referendum is suggested for this decision but India is against it. But case of Bangladesh is totally change, it is already a part of Pakistan and in Kashmir the people living are all Kashmiris but in Balochistan 40% population are Pakhtoons who want to remain a part of Pakistan and even in Baloch community only Murri and Bugti tribes are against Pakistan rest are with the country.
Kashmir is both a part of India and Pakistan. Pakistan already enjoys control over some portion of kashmir, the remaining is in control of India. Power rules, and that's a fact. Resolutions don't count when it comes to practical grounds.. Pakistan tried by sending jihadis to destabilize kashmir (indian controlled) and called it freedom war.. They should have launched an attack with honor rather than sending jihadis and then denying sending them
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USA is a superpower, don't you know this? They have to protect their national interest and they can do anything they feel like is in their national interest. Yes, It might be something that is against us.. but we should protect ourselves, we CANNOT blame USA for this.. because whatever USA is doing is good for them as a superpower.. it might not be good for us, but it's good for themselves.. so you get my point now? If Pakistan were a superpower, Pakistan would've done the same.. or even worse.. and so would have any other country.. no one can lose their SUPERPOWER status and they will do anything (justified or not justified) to secure that position.

Again, It's our job to get things right in our country.. Also, what was the mistake in bangladesh? It was not giving them freedom, because we never gave them freedom.. they SNATCHED it from us.. by sheer FORCE.. you may say XYZ supported them.. but that's what they did.. The mistake has already been repeated, the mistake was NOT giving them rights which they deserved and we have already done the same with Baluchistan..

Kashmiris are also independent (As per India definition) and Baluchistan is independent (as per Pakistan definition) .. so you see my friend? It all depends on how you look at things.. one nation's hero is others nation terrorist.. So, hope your queries has been answered.
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I don't know what's the purpose of this thesis, why you are giving explaining Indian and American stance, the topic is regarding US interference in our internal affairs, it is above my understanding that why you are defending the stance of other countries, we have to think about ourselves, super power doesn't mean that they have a right to do anything.We have made them super power through our weaknesses, I am not defending ourselves, I have already mentioned that we are responsible for Balochistan's crisis, internal hands are also involved in the violence taking place over there, but it doesn't mean that we have given the right to ''ABCs'' to give us dictation and to further disintegrate us,

Try to understand the ''point'' under discussion, and try to realize the propaganda against us, now don't interpret this sentence like this, that we are innocent and US and India are responsible for everything, no way, we are more responsible than anyone else,''but'' , realization of smelling the purpose of these tactics is the need of the hour.

We are not here to tell that what is Indian interpretation of Kashmir's status,we as a nation disagree with Indian stance that Kashmir is independent,now coming towards Balochistan, the sitaution in Balochistan is worse ''no doubt'', but the time is to improve the situation, rather to further deteriorate it, If will are unable to solve Balochistan issue peacefully, God forbids, there will be a big question mark on our survival.Situation in karachi....we already know,

so brother let's talk about unity, togetherness, harmony, determination to spread hope, instead of losing hope

P.S:Balochistan is like a ''precious stone'' in the ''international market'', Gwadar port is the centre of progress, no one is letting it to develop, US is fond of natural resources,,,, these are the facts behind the whole situation.
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It has been said that in International relations there are no permanent friends but there are permanent interests. Keeping aside all emotionalism we should admit that emotionalism breeds irrationalism nd irrationalism gives birth to illogic. Now wat is an issue of baluchistan? Firstly baluchistan is not a jokers quip the way it has been discussed in national and international media. Baluchistan is a very serious issue and needs very very serious consideration before its too late. If you talk to intellectuals and analysts they tell you that its not easy for any country to get baluchistan separated or baluchistan is not east pakistan. Then wat we need to make it east pakistan. All important ingredients to make it east pakistan are there then wat else is needed to understand the gravity of the situation. One wise man even go to that extent that so wat if baloch are killed so many sindhis and punjabis are also killed. Even a layman knows how baloch are killed and martyred. Its something beyond ones common sense.
Secondly we should admit that how decadent, apathetic and impervious our society is. there are so many who dont want to listen to it, there are few who want to talk about it but there is no one who wants to do something for the pain of baluchistan. the way we have alienated east pakistan the same treatment is being meted out to baloch.
Thirdly foreign intervention is not possible without government incorporation.our fedaral bastion is weak enough that it allowed foreign hands to intervene.
Fourthly baloch themselves should realise that education is key to progress and baloch philanthropist should spend money on educational institutions.
Fifthly if all Pakistanis consider it as its own problem then they should own it and work for it seriously.
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