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Rule of Law form Fascism Morality form religious states individual integrity from secular states social benefits from Scandinavian structures I know its hard to realize but at least I can dream for an Ideal Welfare state like Plato. |
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Rule of Law is mandatory for all, rule of law shouldn't be confused with rule of a particular ideology and set of beliefs as in fascism . Don't mix up law with moral behavior of people .
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As you said in your previous post, morality differs from person to person, so, its not at all confusing. |
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And one more thing, us Pakistanis are primitive people belonging to variety of cultures still struggling to civilize so we don't have any law . So don't imagine Pakistani society when making any comparison .
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I think you guys are going a little off-tract here. In my humble opinion, in a welfare state, a person must have justice (the most important), equality and basic facilities. Furthermore, the protection of his life and property should be guaranteed.
And these things aren't really possible where religion (or an autocratic form of government) becomes involved, because no matter what you do, all religions discriminate against non-believers. Saudi Arabia for example provides excellent facilities to its citizens, but a Christian will always be inferior to an Muslim in Saudi Arabia (provided the Muslim is an Arab or the Christian is non white; otherwise white skin trumps all ). In the same way, a average citizen of will always remain beneath a member of the Royal Family. I'm going off topic now, but things like prostitution, drugs, teenage pregnancies etc don't really matter in the big scheme of things. Morals and ethics are not all about wearing the burka, you know. In my opinion, a regular drinker who helps a starving child is a hundred times more ethical than the holier-than-thou Imam in the neighborhood mosque. |
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Cocept of welfare state was firstly given and practicaly shown by Islma. All the key features of a welfare are given in Islamic socio-political system whlile economic system of Islam is on the back of the structure.
All the developed countries of on the globe which are on the view that they are welfare state borrowed their system from islam but what they are missing is moral values which are only ensure in Islam. As for as Economic system is concern, Only islamic economic system assure equality realise human need. while the Capitalism is the closest to the Islamic Economic system.whlile Communism is totally opposit to human nautre. So we should b cleared without having any ambiguity in our minds that Welfare state can only be establish by following rules and regulations laid down by Allah which are totally according to human nature. |
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What morals? There is more justice in France than in Saudi Arabia and more equality in the United States than there is in Saudi Arabia. The fact is that Muslim states like Saudi Arabia HAVE NO MORALS at all. You will find Muslims there, but not Islam because without justice and equality, there can be no Islam.
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Totally agreed. Period.
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A Welfare State does not exist in any part of the world, we just have some closest models still having flaws. what I want is to determine somehow a sketch of Welfare state for ourselves.
It is a reality that how much secular we intend to be Moral Values does play an important part in our lives. Even in Europe a prostitute or a person with abusive language is not liked. Even though He is given equal rights no matter what his character is. And thing is appreciable although there must be some ways to bring him to self-welfare. I do not want a state religion for my welfare state I just need a set of moral values which is acceptable to all. |
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