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Mujb-ur-Rehman's The 6 points or the The 6 Point Movement.

The constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in its true sense based on the Lahore Resolution and the parliamentary form of government with supremacy of a Legislature directly elected on the basis of universal adult franchise.
The federal government should deal with only two subjects: Defence and Foreign Affairs, and all other residual subjects should be vested in the federating states.
Two separate, but freely convertible currencies for two wings should be introduced; or if this is not feasible, there should be one currency for the whole country, but effective constitutional provisions should be introduced to stop the flight of capital from East to West Pakistan. Furthermore, a separate Banking Reserve should be established and separate fiscal and monetary policy be adopted for East Pakistan.
The power of taxation and revenue collection should be vested in the federating units and the federal centre would have no such power. The federation would be entitled to a share in the state taxes to meet its expenditures.
There should be two separate accounts for the foreign exchange earnings of the two wings; the foreign exchange requirements of the federal government should be met by the two wings equally or in a ratio to be fixed; indigenous products should move free of duty between the two wings, and the constitution should empower the units to establish trade links with foreign countries.
East Pakistan should have a separate militia or paramilitary force.
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This is all struggle to gain power, Akhtar Mengal, his father Attaullah Mengal, Akbar Bugti etc. They all have been a part of government for long. During their power why did they not do any thing for people of Balochistan?
The problem of Balochistan not only revolves around Baloch, Pashtuns are also partener in it. Some points of Mengal are valid, like there should be no intervention of army in politics, but some sort of force is needed to be used.
Answer me a question, what is the difference between Taliban and Baloch separatists?
Really? why linguistic factor is the base for these six points like in past in case of bangladesh.sikander Mirza in bangladesh and general Tikka khan ,in Balochistan decimated their rights and demands. They both proved Hitler and decimated many Balochi .Why balochi Radio is banned . There are no answers . same is the case with gas issues . we have opened doors for India and Afghanistan . Why do you think army presence is necessary .
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yar it is strange to listen that a few guys live in fools paradise and they believe this baluchistan issue can be resolved by reconcilliation.... it sound strange... these guys are only illusion mongerers.... in 1861 , 11 us states with population 9 million (more than baluch population in 2012) decided to seceede american union which is a lose union which is in deed which gives states maximum autonomy but united states of america didnt let them lose they fought the bloodiest war in us history.... when xinxiang province of china demanded autonomy what happened to them? what happened in chechnyna? what happened in kashmir ? what happened in tamil Nadu? what happened in Khalistan? wht happened in Philippines?
How did these problems were solved? agay aap khud shamjhdar hen....
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very harsh and rude comments mate... This "Sort them out behavior" had cost us East-Pakistan and many other issues that are really challenging our existence these days. We are at the brink of loosing Baluchistan but our policy makers are not paying attention. Mr. Mengal, though stated, that his 6 points should be seen in the context of Mujeeb's 6 points, but they are really different from those. Mujib's 6 points were more of a road map towards independent Bangladesh while Mengal's are,a last attempt, to get things straight in Baluchistan by considering them humans at least, if not Pakistanis. i have no doubt that they still want to be a part of Pakistan if there reservations are addressed properly and in time. Beware Pakistan is a federation so the key to its survival is satisfaction of all of its federating units.

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Mujeeb's 6 Points:

1) The constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in its true sense on the Lahore Resolution and the parliamentary form of government with supremacy of a legislature directly elected on the basis of universal adult franchise.

2) The federal government should deal with only two subjects: defence and foreign affairs, and all other residuary subjects shall be vested in the federating states.

3) Two separate, but freely convertible currencies for two wings should be introduced; or if this is not feasible, there should be one currency for the whole country, but effective constitutional provisions should be introduced to stop the flight of capital from East to West Pakistan. Furthermore, a separate banking reserve should be established and separate fiscal and monetary policy be adopted for East Pakistan.

4) The power of taxation and revenue collection shall be vested in the federating units and the federal centre will have no such power. The federation will be entitled to a share in the state taxes to meet its expenditures.

5) There should be two separate accounts for the foreign exchange earnings of the two wings; the foreign exchange requirements of the federal government should be met by the two wings equally or in a ratio to be fixed; indigenous products should move free of duty between the two wings, and the constitution should empower the units to establish trade links with foreign countries.

6) East Pakistan should have a separate militia or paramilitary forces.

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yar it is strange to listen that a few guys live in fools paradise and they believe this baluchistan issue can be resolved by reconcilliation.... it sound strange... these guys are only illusion mongerers.... in 1861 , 11 us states with population 9 million (more than baluch population in 2012) decided to seceede american union which is a lose union which is in deed which gives states maximum autonomy but united states of america didnt let them lose they fought the bloodiest war in us history.... when xinxiang province of china demanded autonomy what happened to them? what happened in chechnyna? what happened in kashmir ? what happened in tamil Nadu? what happened in Khalistan? wht happened in Philippines?
How did these problems were solved? agay aap khud shamjhdar hen....
Sir, I believe that you are on the wrong forum. Kindly remove yourself to a forum dedicated to the Pak Army; your violent proposals will find more support there.
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My Friends keep 1 point in mind that..
History is noting how treacherous media has aggravated the crises in Baluchistan that now UN is directly getting involved to create a justification for intervention.The direction of the events is crystal clear.A Libya styled UN mandated intervention by US & NATO to protect human rights of baloch peoples.Prime objectives are to get GAWADER port as prized target, to cut strategic corridor to Afghanistan & Iran & stop IPI Gas pipeline project. Syriya style Urban anarchy, insurgency and chaos would be intensified.Political Leaders are facilitating them by giving 6 points Agenda..........
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yup dude there cant be two opinions that baluch grieveness should be redressed... they should be given their due rights. but at the same time they must stop playing in the hands of foreign oppurtunists.. they are killing their own countrymen, they are pillaging national assets, they are demolishing railway lines etc etc. akbar bugti was himself a foreign educated person. if he was sincere for baluchis than he should have established some university of international standards instead of farari camps to make sons of baluch land some useful citizens of pakistan instead of saboteurs... Agha khan can do this for his ismaili followers but akbar bugti and atta ullah mengel cant do this? as sabhahatbhutta said they are blood sucking mionsters... they preach independent existence of KAlat bt india ny Hyderabad decan n dosri kai states ko dissolve kr dea wo tu ni kehtay humain Pre 1947 status do.... ajeeb batain hen ye sub... in sub ko apny pait ki puri hay ye Sultan of Brunei, Sheikh of UAE type kuch bunana chahtay hen ,they damn care what happened to baluch people,what is happening & what will happen to them... aaj sui gas ki Royality inhain day do, baluchistan ka natural resources inhain day do they will forget their baluch Cause.....
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My Friends keep 1 point in mind that..
History is noting how treacherous media has aggravated the crises in Baluchistan that now UN is directly getting involved to create a justification for intervention.The direction of the events is crystal clear.A Libya styled UN mandated intervention by US & NATO to protect human rights of baloch peoples.Prime objectives are to get GAWADER port as prized target, to cut strategic corridor to Afghanistan & Iran & stop IPI Gas pipeline project. Syriya style Urban anarchy, insurgency and chaos would be intensified.Political Leaders are facilitating them by giving 6 points Agenda..........
Yahoodi conspiracy, no one dying in Balochistan blah blah blah, we never mistreated the Baloch, blah blah blah, everyone out to get us blah blah Gawader is greatest port on Earth blah blah blah , amphibious assault on Makran coast blah blah blah. Please stop listening to that psycho Zaid Hamid and read some history. Better yet, visit Balochistan. And not only Quetta, other areas like Khuzdar, Panjgoor too. The world isn't as interested in Pakistan as Pakistanis like to believe.

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yup dude there cant be two opinions that baluch grieveness should be redressed... they should be given their due rights. but at the same time they must stop playing in the hands of foreign oppurtunists.. they are killing their own countrymen, they are pillaging national assets, they are demolishing railway lines etc etc. akbar bugti was himself a foreign educated person. if he was sincere for baluchis than he should have established some university of international standards instead of farari camps to make sons of baluch land some useful citizens of pakistan instead of saboteurs... Agha khan can do this for his ismaili followers but akbar bugti and atta ullah mengel cant do this? as sabhahatbhutta said they are blood sucking mionsters... they preach independent existence of KAlat bt india ny Hyderabad decan n dosri kai states ko dissolve kr dea wo tu ni kehtay humain Pre 1947 status do.... ajeeb batain hen ye sub... in sub ko apny pait ki puri hay ye Sultan of Brunei, Sheikh of UAE type kuch bunana chahtay hen ,they damn care what happened to baluch people,what is happening & what will happen to them... aaj sui gas ki Royality inhain day do, baluchistan ka natural resources inhain day do they will forget their baluch Cause.....

No one is saying that the Sardars have been good for Baluchistan. All we are saying is that the high-handed behavior of the Pakistan Army over the years has done more harm than good. Dragging off innocent people in the middle of the night won't solve the problem, EVER. No matter what we say, the truth is that the Pakistani state has never been fair with Balochistan. Frankly, we have cheated the people of Balochistan in the past and now we need to make amends.
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Yahoodi conspiracy, no one dying in Balochistan blah blah blah, we never mistreated the Baloch, blah blah blah, everyone out to get us blah blah Gawader is greatest port on Earth blah blah blah , amphibious assault on Makran coast blah blah blah. Please stop listening to that psycho Zaid Hamid and read some history. Better yet, visit Balochistan. And not only Quetta, other areas like Khuzdar, Panjgoor too. The world isn't as interested in Pakistan as Pakistanis like to believe.
Dude if world is not interested in pakistan then why UN mission dont go to Gaza? why they dont go to burma? why they dont go kashmir? I think conditions are worse in that part of world than in Baluchistan.... if world is not interested in pakistan then why 4 consulates and 13 information centres of india are working in war torn afghanistan. if world is not interested in gwader then why india built ZaranJ-Delaram road and iran constructed Chahbhar port. if world is not interested in baluchistan then who is giving BLA weapons and funds to establish them farrari camps? do you have the answer Mr. Intellectual then plz let we guys know it...history purhnay ki zrurat apku hay dude instead of the guy you were suggesting.... thanx
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Dude if world is not interested in pakistan then why UN mission dont go to Gaza? why they dont go to burma? why they dont go kashmir? I think conditions are worse in that part of world than in Baluchistan.... if world is not interested in pakistan then why 4 consulates and 13 information centres of india are working in war torn afghanistan. if world is not interested in gwader then why india built ZaranJ-Delaram road and iran constructed Chahbhar port. if world is not interested in baluchistan then who is giving BLA weapons and funds to establish them farrari camps? do you have the answer Mr. Intellectual then plz let we guys know it...history purhnay ki zrurat apku hay dude instead of the guy you were suggesting.... thanx

FYI, as recently as 2009, a UN fact finding mission presented a report on war crimes by Israel in Gaza. And you must be out of your mind if you think that the situation in Kashmir is worse than the situation in Baluchistan.

Indians probably are funding Balochi insurgents; why wouldn't they? But the fault lies with Pakistan, not with India, just like in 1971. It was India who finally sealed the independence of Bangladesh, but it was the Pakistani governments' fault that things got so bad in the first place. It wasn't Indians who cheated the Bengali, it was Pakistanis.

You are a fool if you think that the whole insurgency has been created by the Indians; they helped separatists in 1971 and they will help them again, but it is Pakistan's fault for alienating the Baloch, just like we alienated the Bengalis.

Its not just a few "Indian backed insurgents" fighting for Gawadar. The people of Balochistan are angry with the Pakistani government and rightly so. The Pakistani state has cheated them at every turn and given them nothing, but death and grief. Who started the military operation in the 1970s? India, MOSSAD, CIA? Who killed Nawab Akbar Bugti? INDIA, CIA, MOSSAD? Who is dragging off young men in the middle of the night? INDIA, CIA, MOSSAD?

If you still want to believe that its just "a few Indian backed troublemakers" and that the rest of the population absolutely loves Pakistan, then its your choice. But be prepared for a nasty shock if the Pak establishment continues its current policy.
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