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don't you think by recognizing Israel we will get more importance in US foreign policy as an ally .moreover India and Israel have very sound diplomatic relations that are benefiting India. if we recognized Israel then it might be possible that Israel may push US and India to have better ties with Pakistan.
A Nation's importance in foreign policy of another state depends upon the National Power, the state possess. Besides, Pakistan's stance on Israel is historic & principled. If 10 years of US service- in 1980s followed by another 11 years service so far after 9/11- could not give Pakistan its due credit, what will recognition of Israel do.
Moreover nation states stresses bilateral relations and resolution of genuine ties in between them. I'm sure you are aware of the issues between Pakistan & India, And between Pakistan & US, the recognition of Israel is not even in the bottom of the list.
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don't you think by recognizing Israel we will get more importance in US foreign policy as an ally .moreover India and Israel have very sound diplomatic relations that are benefiting India. if we recognized Israel then it might be possible that Israel may push US and India to have better ties with Pakistan.
I agree, but it won't do much, as Ibrarkhan has mentioned in his last post. Besides, Israel and India have strong economic, geopolitical and diplomatic ties, so Israel will incline towards India. Muslim States might turn against us, so being sheep is the only option left. Its negative consequences outweigh the positive ones.

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A Nation's importance in foreign policy of another state depends upon the National Power, the state possess. Besides, Pakistan's stance on Israel is historic & principled. If 10 years of US service- in 1980s followed by another 11 years service so far after 9/11- could not give Pakistan its due credit, what will recognition of Israel do.
Moreover nation states stresses bilateral relations and resolution of genuine ties in between them. I'm sure you are aware of the issues between Pakistan & India, And between Pakistan & US, the recognition of Israel is not even in the bottom of the list.
Yes, you are right. And for US, our recognition of Israel is one of her agendas (if you recall Musharraf's meeting with US president at Camp David in which aid was promised on stated and unstated conditions).
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A Nation's importance in foreign policy of another state depends upon the National Power, the state possess. Besides, Pakistan's stance on Israel is historic & principled. If 10 years of US service- in 1980s followed by another 11 years service so far after 9/11- could not give Pakistan its due credit, what will recognition of Israel do.
Moreover nation states stresses bilateral relations and resolution of genuine ties in between them. I'm sure you are aware of the issues between Pakistan & India, And between Pakistan & US, the recognition of Israel is not even in the bottom of the list.

Besides, Pakistan's stance on Israel is historic & principled.

please elaborate this which is highlighted in green.
If you think that Pakistan has not been recognizing Israel just because of her relations with Arab world then one should keep it in one's mind that countries like Jordan and Egypt have already recognized Israel.
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Good Step of UN to look after the wounds of Palestine
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Besides, Pakistan's stance on Israel is historic & principled.

please elaborate this which is highlighted in green.
If you think that Pakistan has not been recognizing Israel just because of her relations with Arab world then one should keep it in one's mind that countries like Jordan and Egypt have already recognized Israel.
Janab how did you managed to draw the conclusion that you have highlighted in the green? Let me answer you:
In the first place the answer lies in your question as only Turkey, Egypt & Jordan among the 57 Islamic countries have recognized Israel. Now just because they have done so you are suggesting we too should follow them?
And then the these three countries have their own compulsions and reasons.

Remember Turkey is also part of the Nato states, thanks to the Imperialist Soviet & today's Russia,always believing in expansionism,which compelled it to do so. And then Turkey have its reservations from Iran as well if it goes to become a nuclear power. Moreover it is still committed to Kemalism, A secular philosophy, which do not care about Islamic World. Nevertheless with the rise of Islamists i.e Justice & Development Party of Erdogan, just recently we saw him lashing out at Israel and condemning its bombardment of Gaza.

Egypt recognized Israel after the Camp David Accords in 1980, Because it had to do so. During the 60 days war in 1967, Israel had captured its Sinai peninsula( Sharm el-Sheikh & other areas) and through the bilateral agreement and recognition, Israel vacated that area and Egypt had to declare it as "Demilitarized Area". And remember their was a stern reaction from Arab World whereupon its membership was suspended from Arab League 1979-89.
And the same are the compulsions of Jordan, they cannot cope with Israel Military power so they decided to join them. As one of the principle of International Relations is "If you cannot take on your enemy that is more powerful than you, you have better to side with him".
Pakistan has no such compulsions. And the Arab world has always appreciated it and has helped Pakistan economically in pursuit of its Nuclear Power. Moreover around two-third(Correct me if I'm wrong) of Pakistanis are living in the Arab world, contributing to its GDP.
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Was Palestinians state are accepted as a state ???
The international media says that UNO has accepted Palestinian state as a " non-member observer state" , in other words it means that he cannot comments or gives suggestions about anything in UNO , that status had given to them in 1967, but now they portrayed it to create sympathetic attitude, to accept the Israel state , even the uno said that Israel had to gone to the boundaries which were before 1967 but he did not did it...
If same activity is done by any Muslim state it would be called as "TERRORIST" state , if Israel does it the American president says " Israel has a right for protection" ,,, so , where is the question to maintain and persistent the "peace and security " in the world.... Less practical actions more debates...
The two main reasons behind the occupation is to make "Jerusalam and Sammaria",
The Jewish people who are occupying Palestinian state , they were not banished from Palestinians , they banished from German and first they recommended, then they expelled the people from their own homes ...
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No doubt this is good step. The best thing is Palestinians are recognized as oppressed people by 139 nations of the world. UN is controlled organization. most of crimes on the planet are validated by UN. Both Israel and UN were created at the same time.
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This is a good beginning yet not sufficient provisions of the rights of the Palestinians.The Muslims will have to set their houses in order to deal well with the atrocities of the arrogant Israel.I find it hard to understand that how can the meager Israeli nation can get hold,demolish and annihilate the profound masses of the Muslims in the hub and center of Islamic region-from Africa to Asia and from Europe to Indian Ocean?May it be called our inability to compete them strategically or may it be called our slumber and senselessness?
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