“War does not determine who is right - only who is left.”


Pakistan and India have faced four times before each other in war and got nothing but chaos and more poverty in both countries due to lack of budget to condemn poverty and to replenish a poor’s hunger. Both countries adjudge security threat to each other and that’s why each year bestow and impart a significant amount for defence budgets. However, both countries lies in 3rd world which means they are far behind from the developed world which signifies that both countries have a lot to do for their people which means that they are lagging behind in each and every sector of life,and what are they really doing, is preparing for war. Pakistan and India both have an extremist in their buckets who always ready to fire on each other whether there is nothing to fight on, they always give a lot of examples to endorse their view which has nothing rational in it.


The current issue, which is very hot in the media these days is a LOC firing incident which took place on some days back, in which 5 Indian soldiers died but it was said by Pakistani army that they didn’t provoke this incident on the contrary, Pakistani soldiers also martyred by Indians. Situation gone bad when the Indian media took over this problem as the issue of their egotism and blamed the Pakistani army as the offender and throw all their garbage on Pakistan as they are all angels on their side. The thing which we have to learn from history is that there is no good in wars, ironically they only give birth to chaos and more poverty within the whole region. But I think we the people of the sub-continent , might follow this saying that:


“The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. “
Friedrich Hegel


Although, now it’s the time for introspection on both sides that whenever the two neighbour wants to come closer and want to negotiate on crucial issues like Kashmir and water problems something always betwixt in them and the problems remain lying on the their hearts and minds. The politician and the “big boys” might not care about 1.5 Billion people because they might have felt that to be in the gesture of being adversary is good for them but it’s for sure that people don’t want it and they don’t have their interest in it.

“In nuclear war all men are cremated equal.”

However, they want to be live friendly with each other and wish for the day when Pakistan and India become friends with true heart and take advantage of each other by trade and learn to live with each other with tolerance and respectfulness.


To conclude this I might not be wrong to wish that one day Pakistan and India should become as close as the USA and Canada do. Because we share culture and we are the one who belongs to same history, in the past we live along brotherly we are now the different parts of the body but we have to remain brotherly if we want to remain in good and healthful body, as India is the mind of the body, Pakistan would be the heart and if heart fails the body will die…!!!

On the contrary, I would like to end this by saying of H.G Wells:

“If we don't end war, war will end us.”

You are right with your statement.. I just came across last show of capital talk in which host hamid Mir had invited ambassador of France and Germany in Pakistan on his show...and presented a report on how these two warrior countries got into a friendly agreement known as Leozan pact 1963,perhaps.....,.and now just because of friendly relationship in these two dreadful countries ...they have set the whole Europe on the horizon of success...and they both are the most successful and advanced countries in finance and trade as well as arms and science..togather they are progreesing and leading the Europe...... remember the fact that they are not even half of Pakistan in area but they became "leaders". Leaving disputes and wars..,we should learn a lesson from them....

@khadijah and fatima
Indeed what you are saying is totally rational to my thinking but the curse is, even people with high qualifications and knowledge about international affairs having the concept of war within their mind all the time, People like Zaid Hamid and many others. It is said that when your own house is in disorder, don't fight with your neighbor or you will be devastated as you were no longer be able to even survive..so we have to put our nukes capiblity aside and have to think on the matter that war doesn't determine who is right- only who is left.

For the clear view of the situation try to approach history, current situation and to read different writers and then make your mind that what you think is right or wrong don't rely on anyone and don't accept any argument before you got clear about that so try to get my point and then give me your feedback which should be yours in your words so I can also take advantage and learn from my mistakes.

Zaid Hamid does not talk about a full fledged bloody war rather he provides a very feasible way of a limited war. In a limited war both the belligerent countries does not employ all resources available and have a very specific scope. . In case of IndoPAk, Pakistan has to pressurize India to shift from its jingoistic policies towards Pakistan.
Currently India does not show any gesture to resolve matter through non coercive measure and it is need of the hour for Pakistan as well to retaliate in a limited coercive way. Thus instead of waiting for them to come on table Pakistan has to show its muscles so India does not remain in grandeur of delusions and ought to realize that war will not result in any thing but destruction on both side equally.

These are all Pakistan Armed forces tactics, they exactly know that they are loosing their authority over civilians, Nawaz is determined to give them tough time. Military is in limbo because once Indian threat is eliminated by making strong friendly ties with them setting aside the lame issue of kashmir, then they (Military) would have no reason to say in civilian matters, we would no more need to spend billions on so called National security. Ironically Military still perceive India as the biggest threat than the TTP.

and one more thing, Pakistan military put a blame on Indian Military and Indian military on Pakistan military and same goes to both country so called patriot media. so we will never know what happened actually unless and untill those Generals are reigned!

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well i think the issue has been raised over decades, because there is not strategic dialogue between countries. both of them use army as per current strategy without knowing aftereffects on coming generation and what a havoc we do not aware of our history as well. they use the public as puppet and all of this is a showoff towards patriotism.....

The ebbs of the history has already showed it so that no successive dialogue took place between the two coutries like Pak-india; those are at loggerheads. India would never be the true strategic partner of Pakistan as they always aimed to harm Pakistan's Sovereignty and integrity as mentioned by the Oriya maqbool jan in his ariticle that a nation who is the staunch believer of "Kondali system " and believes blindly in the motion and path of stars has deducted to invade and evoke a war with Pakistan in 2013 as they belief that they would get success as per their "pandaat" revealed them so.

No doubt, currently we need strategic and diplomatic dialogues with India rather than invade a war because of scarce resources available, averting internal domestic war, conflicts and terrorism so its hard to cope with such a deadly circumstances of war. Above all, blood shed of civilians and our military soldiers,

Certainlly our soldiers are assets to us.

Look it doesn't matter that what India thinks about us or the notion he always try to give is real but what matter is what the hell we are doing we emphatically have nuke but does it mean that we can accomplish any territory??? my heart cries whenever i see our current situation it doesn't mean that i am a pessimist or kind of but realism should also be taken, however India is provoking us on war and if it happened, GOD forbid history will never forgive us because its the matter of 1.5 billion peoples please think over this angle and do feed me back as i may be wrong but i appreciate your view and thnx anyway..

is'nt it a wake up call from india, because we are silent since long on the actions of our highly frustrated enemies, why?? because we are selfish! there is a need to motivate and educate people, security forces solely not responsible for pakistan's security. But we are selfish! even most of us has joined this forum to enhance their abilities to appear in competitive exams, they damn care what is actual need of pakistan, thats what india has done, they are giving us a wake up call, we have to be a nation first, have to sacrifice our own interest over national interest. Then you may have no need to discuss this topic, because india will not take risk if there is a nation behind the security forces, surely not talking about these scattered people of pakistan
but a NATION!

There's a place for talking and criticism. But there's also a place to let our ACTIONS do the talking!”
― Fela Durotoye

Yeah that's so important hence mandatory for our survival but man first we have to be a nation than we have to properly feed our nation and secure our own people and have to give basic rights to our people than we can face anyone and then we could receive that wake-up call. cause when your own house is in disorder anyone can stand before you and bark like a dog, indeed firstly we have to concentrate on our inner menaces.