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A person known as Pervaiz Musharraf.... who was accused of detention of Judges.... murder of Benazir Bhutto, Akbar Bugti, Abdul Rasheed Gazi and his Mother.....and who had given permission to launch drone attacks inside the land of Pakistan.... has been granted bail in the fourth and last case against him and he can now walk free in the territory having submitted two surety bonds of 1,00,000 rupees each.

Is there nobody to ask him who was He to allow Drone attacks in Pakistan while lying to Nation alongside? Please share your views on all this matter.
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No offense to anyone do you really think our leaders including all civil and armed forces either have guts or they are is condition to say no to america? If he allowed drones. Then next government should have stopped it ? Why they didnt?
And as you said about other issues he is not only one to blame there was full cabinet prime minister chief ministers governers etc etc they all should be held responsible. . Its pakistan our nation is sleeping we let them do what they want and get away with it. .
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A person known as Pervaiz Musharraf.... who was accused of detention of Judges.... murder of Benazir Bhutto, Akbar Bugti, Abdul Rasheed Gazi and his Mother.....and who had given permission to launch drone attacks inside the land of Pakistan.... has been granted bail in the fourth and last case against him and he can now walk free in the territory having submitted two surety bonds of 1,00,000 rupees each.

Is there nobody to ask him who was He to allow Drone attacks in Pakistan while lying to Nation alongside? Please share your views on all this matter.
totally agreed with sheeraz. it was not Musharraf only who has done all the wrong things in pakistan. though some of his acts like detention of judges and killing of nawabzada akbar bugti may be considered controversial. but he rightly took action against the militants of Lal Masjid. moreover, sheeraz has rightly pointed out that no one in pakistan can deny america what it wants, let alone musharraf. regarding murder of Benazir Bhutto, it is not yet proved who was responsible.

on economic point of view he did a great job. he greatly contributed in education and infrastructure sectors of the country. in musharraf era corruption, favoritism and nepotism was minimal. overall one can easily characterizes his period as golden age.
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A person known as Pervaiz Musharraf.... who was accused of detention of Judges.... murder of Benazir Bhutto, Akbar Bugti, Abdul Rasheed Gazi and his Mother.....and who had given permission to launch drone attacks inside the land of Pakistan.... has been granted bail in the fourth and last case against him and he can now walk free in the territory having submitted two surety bonds of 1,00,000 rupees each.

Is there nobody to ask him who was He to allow Drone attacks in Pakistan while lying to Nation alongside? Please share your views on all this matter.

Agreed with the above two replies. We are the people who flow in the direction of running wind. For drone attack, blaming Musharraf alone would not be fair at all as saying 'NO' to America demands courage and sacrifice of lots of things!
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Keeping aside other matters, if I talk about drones only then seriously I am unable to understand this soft corner for Musharraf by Pakistanis in such a critical situation where Nations usually blow up! Ok there was so called cabinet etc etc but who was the final authority to say yes to America? Who was above him at that time? When a class makes noise, the teacher comes and ask where is Monitor? After all its higher authority who is responsible, he cant make lame excuses that nothing was in my hand.. Why dont we punish him so existing black sheep might get lesson that this Nation do care about its country and nobody will dare to make such decisions in future while betraying the Nation. When we ask them to stop these drone attacks they say that your own people had allowed us and we are having such soft corner for those "own people". Why???
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Keeping aside other matters, if I talk about drones only then seriously I am unable to understand this soft corner for Musharraf by Pakistanis in such a critical situation where Nations usually blow up! Ok there was so called cabinet etc etc but who was the final authority to say yes to America? Who was above him at that time? When a class makes noise, the teacher comes and ask where is Monitor? After all its higher authority who is responsible, he cant make lame excuses that nothing was in my hand.. Why dont we punish him so existing black sheep might get lesson that this Nation do care about its country and nobody will dare to make such decisions in future while betraying the Nation. When we ask them to stop these drone attacks they say that your own people had allowed us and we are having such soft corner for those "own people". Why???
Musharraf must not be punished for allowing drone attacks.Drone attacks have proved to be very effective in killing many militants.Illyas Kashmiri,Hakeem ullah Mehsud,Bait ullah Mehsud were eliminated due to drone attacks.Issue of drone attacks have been politicised to gain public support.
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Musharraf must not be punished for allowing drone attacks.Drone attacks have proved to be very effective in killing many militants.Illyas Kashmiri,Hakeem ullah Mehsud,Bait ullah Mehsud were eliminated due to drone attacks.Issue of drone attacks have been politicised to gain public support.
What about those innocent people being killed by drones in tribal areas??

American drones kill one Bait ullah Mehsud and taliban kill hundreds of citizens of Pakistan in suicide attacks in revenge. What about these citizens?

What about the humility we have to face around the world when people says that you cant even stop drones in your homeland... what else are you talking about?

Action of Drone by America... Reaction of Taliban in Pakistan... Action.... Reaction... Action.... Reaction..... Who is suffering the most?
America, Taliban or Pakistan??
Then how can you say drones are acceptable?
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In this Land of Pure;which now make a land of poor.Release of Musharraf from all four major cases is totally social injustice.Tensions,damages and miscomfort life is only for poor in Pakistan.Absolutely, no words remain in my mind to define Musharraf; at that moment total situation of Pakistan define it.
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Well, we illiterate littering literally to hide our own lack of self interest. We as a nation not interested in what we do. Or our machinery is not capable of that.
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I have two points to make regarding drones and Pakistan logistic support to NATO forces in Afghanistan (given by Musharraf and later governments).

Drones: Taliban are attacking NATO and Afghan forces in Afghanistan then taking refuge in Pakistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan is incapable to stop Taliban using Pakistani soil to launch attacks in Afghanistan. No country or army (Afghanistan and NATO forces) would tolerate that a country (Pakistan) has become refuge of people fighting them (Taliban) and refuge country (Pakistan) could do nothing about it nor they (Afghan and NATO forces) do anything about it. Obviously, if Pakistan is unable to do anything, then NATO forces would strike.

If Pakistan would like that drone attacks do not happen, than Pakistan have to start military operations in FATA, and stop Taliban fighting their war using Pakistan soil. It is as simple as that.


Logistic support to NATO forces in Afghanistan: Actually, I think, many people may not know due to dishonesty of politicians, journalists, and anchor persons on TV and other media, that Pakistan support to NATO forces in Afghanistan is not due to just phone call or request from USA, but due to UN resolutions 1368 (Passed on 12 Sept, 2001 … a day after New York attack on 11 Sept 2001). Many later resolutions also followed in this respect.

Pakistan being member of UN had obligation to follow UN resolutions, as UN is body that gives protection to Pakistan in international arena. Even Pakistani border is recognised international border due to UN charter, including sea water and many other rights that Pakistan has in international laws. So, not supporting ‘war against terrorism’ and NATO forces in Afghanistan was against Pakistani interest, that could have given NATO forces excuse for attacking Pakistan (at least bombing areas they would have liked to bomb) or weakening Pakistan with strict sanctions … all under the cover of UN resolution.

On the other hand, why Pakistan should not have given logistic support to ‘war against terrorism’ in Afghanistan, as Pakistan was victim themselves, getting terrorized by sectarian outfits at that time, who were using Afghanistan under Taliban as refuge after bombing and killing people in Pakistan. …

[That is different matter that most Pakistanis have no ego or self-respect like Americans, and lay down flat when anyone give them bashing in the name of Islam, however deviant their Islam could be, the way sectarian outfits were doing in Pakistan (before Taliban kicked out of power in Afghanistan) and taking refuge in Afghanistan (today TTP is doing same … and many Pakistanis love them even though TTP would not hesitate to kill them too).

If Pakistan had any self-respect than instead of Americans, it should have been Pakistan army entering Afghanistan to dislodge Taliban and arrest Pakistani criminals taking refuge in Afghanistan]


UN Resolution (I cannot post links ... but one can find the resolutions from UN sites ... using google).

UN resolution 1368 (12 Sept 2001):
clause 3: Calls on all States to work together urgently to bring to justice the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these terrorist attacks and stresses that those responsible for aiding, supporting or harbouring the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these acts will be held accountable;

UN resolution 1386 (20 Dec 2001)
Clause 2: Calls upon Member States to contribute personnel, equipment and other resources to the International Security Assistance Force, and invites those Member States to inform the leadership of the Force and the Secretary-General;

So, why Pakistan (or Musharraf) should have said No?

It is funny logic by some that … American drones are bad because American drones kill Taliban and in revenge Taliban kills 1000s of innocent Pakistanis. I could not understand why American drones are bad and not Taliban animals who are taking off their frustrations on Pakistani innocent Civilians. It seems, Taliban whenever get beating from drones, kick Pakistanis at will to fend off their frustration. And Pakistanis being impotent, instead of giving beating to Taliban, curse USA and at the same time beg USA to stop using drones to kill Taliban terrorists?

It is just like, Anwar (American drones) kicks Ajmal (Taliban) and in revenge Ajmal gives big beating to his wife (Pakistan) asking his wife to stop Anwar kicking him … Now wife instead of complaining about Ajmal and asking Ajmal to be man and fight Anwar instead of beating her, starts cursing Anwar and begging Anwar that do not kick Ajmal because Ajmal would beat her.

Is it funny or not?

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