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Originally Posted by Daisy A person known as Pervaiz Musharraf.... who was accused of detention of Judges.... murder of Benazir Bhutto, Akbar Bugti, Abdul Rasheed Gazi and his Mother.....and who had given permission to launch drone attacks inside the land of Pakistan.... has been granted bail in the fourth and last case against him and he can now walk free in the territory having submitted two surety bonds of 1,00,000 rupees each. Is there nobody to ask him who was He to allow Drone attacks in Pakistan while lying to Nation alongside? Please share your views on all this matter.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. He has been acquitted by supposedly his arch rival--- Judiciary; hence we ought not to worry about it.

Drones:- If you don't want to see US Boots on our soil ; drones should be continued with precision to avoid collateral damage.

Regards,

The Bitter truth is that we are having fear of American boots in the areas of Pakistan we are living in, but we turn a blind eye towards those areas of same country where American drones visit regularly – If we won’t wake up now then (God forbid) I fear the day is not far when their boots or drones will reach our areas too! Who knows they might get some information that a Taliban Leader is hiding in Punjab or Sindh etc, and we will say yes!!! Come to save us with your drones please.... Because we have no issue with your drones..

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Who have said that Taliban are not bad?? Being an Independent state we have every right to take decisions regarding our State. You wrote about International laws and UN Resolution, my question is "Where that UN is sleeping now at killing of hundreds of Innocent civilians by drones? Whats the mistake of those ladies and children who are bound to spend their lives in terror..who cant even sleep ?? Keep yourself at the place of those people for a moment who don't know which drone would flatten their house or which one would close the eyes of their loved ones forever? What if we were born in those areas?
They are also human beings... They are also Pakistanis.... Before supporting these drones please think about them for a moment..... and Its state responsibility to stop any such international law violations that harm its citizens. How come you support them instead?? Why aint they promoting Nabila like Malala??

Yeah its funny but more funny thing would be When Ajmal's wife (instead of solving her home problems herself) will go to Anwar and say him that beat Ajmal so harshly that he become too weak to beat me.....

Supporting these attacks means that we should accept that we are such Losers who can’t handle their Home Problems and Seeking help of Those Americans that Please come and save us… Please kill these Talibans through Your Drones so that we might be Safe. Then what is meant by “Independent State of Pakistan”?? Let us invite America to come and take hold of our country because we are facing many other Internal Problems too.

And its a Big mistake to think like we are fighting our War. We are infact fighting Their war by slaughtring our Civilians.

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Originally Posted by Daisy The Bitter truth is that we are having fear of American boots in the areas of Pakistan we are living in, but we turn a blind eye towards those areas of same country where American drones visit regularly – If we won’t wake up now then (God forbid) I fear the day is not far when their boots or drones will reach our areas too! Who knows they might get some information that a Taliban Leader is hiding in Punjab or Sindh etc, and we will say yes!!! Come to save us with your drones please.... Because we have no issue with your drones..

We have two options.

1. Pakistan can delink herself from the US-led war against terrorism; this step if taken could erode very fundamentals of our Country & lead us to isolation.

2. We can swallow a bitter pill for once & all by cleansing these vermin from FATA agency through Army operation.( I don't mind if NATO's help is sought to achieve this target)

Choice is ours.

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Wherever this NATO has gone for help..... Nothing was achieved but Bloodshed.... Poverty and Return to stone age.... You can see Nato's Role in Afganistan, Iraq etc... ALLAH bachaey Nato help se Pakistan ko...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrua-a...-in-the-levant

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Originally Posted by Daisy Wherever this NATO has gone for help..... Nothing was achieved but Bloodshed.... Poverty and Return to stone age.... You can see Nato's Role in Afganistan, Iraq etc... ALLAH bachaey Nato help se Pakistan ko... http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrua-a...-in-the-levant

NATO's assistance in terms of sophisticated weapons & intelligence, nothing more.

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Ask that from Nabila Rehman whose siblings and grandmother were perished in a predator strike, ask that from parents of those 72 innocent children in Bajaur agency who were studying in a school and it was blown up by Very effective drone strikes, and ask about the effectiveness of drones from all those who have become disable for the whole life life. Who are you to decide the effectiveness of drones sitting in an arm chair on front of a computer?, you haven't lost your dear ones in a drone strike. “’Will I be next?’ US drone strikes in Pakistan” is the report issued by the Amnesty International that says "USA has carried out unlawful killings in Pakistan through drone attacks, some of which could even amount to war crimes". Do read the report and educate yourself before enlightening the audience with your valuable thoughts about very effective drone strikes. According to many reports, the average target damage is 11%, remaining are innocent civilians.
Oh really! I hope you are talking about the same NATO forces that killed our 24 soldiers?

I hope you are talking about the same NATO forces that violated our territorial integrity and staged a drama on 2nd May 2011 in Abbotabad?

Oh come on dude, NATO are not a friend of ours that they will help us tackle our problems, let them stay where they are, we don't need them. Let them leave this region, stability will follow. I am amazed at your suggestion, that means we should use poison to cure an itching, It will destroy the body and so will go the itching.

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan Oh really! I hope you are talking about the same NATO forces that killed our 24 soldiers? I hope you are talking about the same NATO forces that violated our territorial integrity and staged a drama on 2nd May 2011 in Abbotabad? Oh come on dude, NATO are not a friend of ours that they will help us tackle our problems, let them stay where they are, we don't need them. Let them leave this region, stability will follow. I am amazed at your suggestion, that means we should use poison to cure an itching, It will destroy the body and so will go the itching.

Yes, I am talking about the same NATO that was forgiven by our zombie Leaders when they just said "Sorry".

If we can get out of this menace by our own, I would be the first one to be proud of.

Regards,

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Yes! he is innocent & all his acts are well justified. Time has proved again & again that he was very right in kicking out Iftikhar chaudhary whom people call as Chief Justice. Lal Masjid operation was perfectly legal & we have such example during Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) era i.e. Masjid-e-Zarrar. Since there was no such traitor such as Iftikhar, therefore masjid-e-zarrar action was not politicized. Bhugti operation was also well justified. Drone attacks are well justified if one analyses the situation with a sane mind by putting off the blind glasses placed on his nose by Jamat-e-Islami, JUI, PTI & other rightist parties. Killers like baitullah Mehsud, hakimullah Mehsood, Molvi Faqeer, which are not less than Halaku khan from any aspect are killed & parceled to the hell due to drone strikes.

The only fault on Musharraf's part was that he was a bit lenient & did not complete/conclude all the above mentioned operations properly. So, media, local & international propaganda agencies, religious extremist & preachers of judicial activism were spared alive to create confusion, spread rumors detract nation, & destroy organs of the state through judicial activism & yellow journalism.

Now we need a person like Mao Zedong or else get ready for something similar to civil war or "khana jangi".

Nabila family members were unlucky few who mistakenly and unintentionally got killed by drones, in process of drones getting rid of hundreds of Savages who are killing Pakistanis brutally in thousands. … who knows, the terror that terrorist Taliban has unleashed in the area where Nabila lives, if Nabila family members had survived drones, they may have got killed by Taliban in much more brutal way (as Taliban love to kill people by cutting their throats) … as 1000s of other girls like Nabila must be knowing and going through the torment ... after becoming victim of brutal Taliban killings.

Thus, I am more worried about unlucky tens of thousands innocent Pakistanis who got slaughtered by Taliban intentionally after declaring them Kafir or just for fun. In my opinion, if drones had not taken off thousands of terrorists then we would have seen 10s of thousand more victims killed brutally by these terrorists.

As for 72 innocent children you mentioned (killed in 2006), I do not think they were so innocent, as no kids go to Madrasa in late hours of night, couple of hours before even Fajr, in isolated area where even electricity is scarce, to study … rather, they were trained terrorists doing exercise (as claimed by government), could be getting trained to become terrorists, or were getting brainwashed to become suicide bombers.

As for effectiveness of drones … you should trust Pakistan defence ministry answering Senate where defence ministry claimed that drones killed 3260 terrorists and only 67 innocent civilians since 2008 (or in last 6 years).

Even though Pakistan defence ministry should have accurate figures, worse guestimate from other sources is that 85% terrorist and 15% civilians got killed by drones since 2004 (and they included the kids you mentioned amongst civilians ...even though it is doubtful that they were innocent civilians).

Obviously we cannot, as we have no one on ground to know the effectiveness … but Pakistan ministry of defence can as they get their information from ISI, other Pakistan intelligence sources, army, local representatives, and local administration … about how effective drones are … and according to them drones killed 3260 terrorists compared to 67 civilians (most likely they were close relatives of terrorists hence became unintentional target).

It is very unlikely that you could become target of drone unless you move with terrorists … as according to defence ministry records, drone did not killed any civilians since 2010 and only 2 killed out of 100 were civilian since 2008, rest, or 98% killed were terrorists.

So, if death is written for you than most likely chance it would be in the hands of Taliban terrorists and not drone … who kill thousands of innocent civilians every year, and most of their kill are brutal.

So, if you want to live, just hope that drones kills more of these animals so that you can live peacefully.

I read many reports, most of them were guestimates or propaganda … still, amongst them, most respectable gave civilian casualties of around 10 % and terrorists kill around 90 % … but then … we got latest report, most reliable, and most accurate, as it was ministry of defence report to Pakistani Senate … and it is obvious that no one can have accurate information other than Pakistan ministry of defence who get their figures from Pakistan intelligence, army and local administration. The report of defence ministry claimed that civilian casualties were 2% or 67 in last 6 years … whereas terrorist who got their 72 hoors were 98% or 3260.

Be realistic. If Pakistan would have no control over Pakistani area, Pakistani soil would be used to attack forces and civilians outside Pakistan (as well as attack on Pakistani forces and civilians) … and Pakistan would show incompetence dealing with these terrorists who are terrorising everyone around, then you can expect other powerful countries entering Pakistan to get rid of these Parasites and it won’t be their fault. If Pakistan does not want that then Pakistan have to act against these savage terrorist and kill them or tame them.