Originally Posted by Tipu Shah

Kill 100 to save 100,000 = policy of Drone attacks.

Drones are fruitful or not but it is fact any person speaking against US & Drone Attacks on this forum, will not hesitiate to accept the offer if offered a Green Card from US.


Be realistic, we are a arm-chair critic nation. keep doing this.

Originally Posted by Tipu Shah

Kill 100 to save 100,000 = policy of Drone attacks.

Drones are fruitful or not but it is fact any person speaking against US & Drone Attacks on this forum, will not hesitiate to accept the offer if offered a Green Card from US.


Be realistic, we are a arm-chair critic nation. keep doing this.

Originally Posted by Tipu Shah

Kill 100 to save 100,000 = policy of Drone attacks.

Drones are fruitful or not but it is fact any person speaking against US & Drone Attacks on this forum, will not hesitiate to accept the offer if offered a Green Card from US.
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Originally Posted by Tipu Shah

Kill 100 to save 100,000 = policy of Drone attacks.

Drones are fruitful or not but it is fact any person speaking against US & Drone Attacks on this forum, will not hesitiate to accept the offer if offered a Green Card from US.


Be realistic, we are a arm-chair critic nation. keep doing this.

Originally Posted by Sa1eem

When talking about drone strikes, there are three types of people in Pakistan.

Group 1: Those who look at drones as blessing from heaven, killing enemies of Pakistan.

What type of enemies?
Enemies, who are armed to teeth, worship Shaitan, are Kharjees creating fitna and fasad all over Pakistan to fulfil their Ibleesi beliefs. These thugs have killed many army men, killed many bureaucrats, many policemen and other Pakistanis working in administration, many renowned politicians, and around 50000 innocent Pakistani peaceful civilians. These Kharjees violate sovereignty of Pakistan making fun of Pakistani laws and writ. Their Fitna and Fasad is not only limited to that, but whoever they kill, they kill brutally by cutting throat of their innocent Muslim victims sacrificing them to their God Iblis (Satan), and blow Muslim graves (something in history even kuffar have not done) so that Muslims could not find peace from them in graves too.

Group 2: Those who overtly may talk against drone strikes, but feel happy when hear drones strikes, and news that drones have killed some Kharjees, than see the faces full of Kharjee sympathisers amongst politicians and media men, fearful and disoriented when talking about drones, giving disjoined statements, and demanding without valid daleel that drones should stop so that these Kharjees can kill Pakistani Muslims without hindrance and fear.

Group 3: Those who hate drones strikes from their heart… seems they are partner of these Kharjees and love fitna and fasad these Kharjees have created.


I am and many I know are in group 1. Most of Pakistanis, Pakistani army officers, Pakistani bureaucrats, and Politicians are in group 2 … but JI members, many (not all but many) deobandis, some leaders of JUI, PTI and PMLN are in group 3.

How sad that we have people claiming to be Pakistanis who do not talk or care about 50000 innocent Pakistanis these Kharjee criminals have killed brutally, but feel remorse when Drones kill these Kharjees who are enemies of Pakistan … just because drones strikes are effectively killing Kharjee terrorists and has created fear in the spine of living Kharjee leaders and their supporters.

As far as I am concerned, drones killed mostly Taliban terrorists and few civilians (according to Pakistan defence ministry reporting to Senate, drones killed thousands of terrorists and only 67 civilians).

Anyhow, whatever anyone says or thinks; fact is that, due to drones killing Taliban terrorists, especially their leaders and planners, by doing that, drones saved thousands of innocent Pakistanis lives and properties worth billions of dollars, and that also Pakistan without spending a penny.

I think it is shrewd decision by Pakistani government that they are using Americans, free of charge, to kill enemies of Pakistan with their drones and clearing Pakistani territories from their fitna and fasad.

Originally Posted by Sa1eem

I have two points to make regarding drones and Pakistan logistic support to NATO forces in Afghanistan (given by Musharraf and later governments).

Drones: Taliban are attacking NATO and Afghan forces in Afghanistan then taking refuge in Pakistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan is incapable to stop Taliban using Pakistani soil to launch attacks in Afghanistan. No country or army (Afghanistan and NATO forces) would tolerate that a country (Pakistan) has become refuge of people fighting them (Taliban) and refuge country (Pakistan) could do nothing about it nor they (Afghan and NATO forces) do anything about it. Obviously, if Pakistan is unable to do anything, then NATO forces would strike.

If Pakistan would like that drone attacks do not happen, than Pakistan have to start military operations in FATA, and stop Taliban fighting their war using Pakistan soil. It is as simple as that.


Logistic support to NATO forces in Afghanistan: Actually, I think, many people may not know due to dishonesty of politicians, journalists, and anchor persons on TV and other media, that Pakistan support to NATO forces in Afghanistan is not due to just phone call or request from USA, but due to UN resolutions 1368 (Passed on 12 Sept, 2001 … a day after New York attack on 11 Sept 2001). Many later resolutions also followed in this respect.

Pakistan being member of UN had obligation to follow UN resolutions, as UN is body that gives protection to Pakistan in international arena. Even Pakistani border is recognised international border due to UN charter, including sea water and many other rights that Pakistan has in international laws. So, not supporting ‘war against terrorism’ and NATO forces in Afghanistan was against Pakistani interest, that could have given NATO forces excuse for attacking Pakistan (at least bombing areas they would have liked to bomb) or weakening Pakistan with strict sanctions … all under the cover of UN resolution.

On the other hand, why Pakistan should not have given logistic support to ‘war against terrorism’ in Afghanistan, as Pakistan was victim themselves, getting terrorized by sectarian outfits at that time, who were using Afghanistan under Taliban as refuge after bombing and killing people in Pakistan. …

[That is different matter that most Pakistanis have no ego or self-respect like Americans, and lay down flat when anyone give them bashing in the name of Islam, however deviant their Islam could be, the way sectarian outfits were doing in Pakistan (before Taliban kicked out of power in Afghanistan) and taking refuge in Afghanistan (today TTP is doing same … and many Pakistanis love them even though TTP would not hesitate to kill them too).

If Pakistan had any self-respect than instead of Americans, it should have been Pakistan army entering Afghanistan to dislodge Taliban and arrest Pakistani criminals taking refuge in Afghanistan]


UN Resolution (I cannot post links ... but one can find the resolutions from UN sites ... using google).

UN resolution 1368 (12 Sept 2001):
clause 3: Calls on all States to work together urgently to bring to justice the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these terrorist attacks and stresses that those responsible for aiding, supporting or harbouring the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these acts will be held accountable;

UN resolution 1386 (20 Dec 2001)
Clause 2: Calls upon Member States to contribute personnel, equipment and other resources to the International Security Assistance Force, and invites those Member States to inform the leadership of the Force and the Secretary-General;

So, why Pakistan (or Musharraf) should have said No?

It is funny logic by some that … American drones are bad because American drones kill Taliban and in revenge Taliban kills 1000s of innocent Pakistanis. I could not understand why American drones are bad and not Taliban animals who are taking off their frustrations on Pakistani innocent Civilians. It seems, Taliban whenever get beating from drones, kick Pakistanis at will to fend off their frustration. And Pakistanis being impotent, instead of giving beating to Taliban, curse USA and at the same time beg USA to stop using drones to kill Taliban terrorists?

It is just like, Anwar (American drones) kicks Ajmal (Taliban) and in revenge Ajmal gives big beating to his wife (Pakistan) asking his wife to stop Anwar kicking him … Now wife instead of complaining about Ajmal and asking Ajmal to be man and fight Anwar instead of beating her, starts cursing Anwar and begging Anwar that do not kick Ajmal because Ajmal would beat her.

Is it funny or not?

Originally Posted by ubaid bangash

well firstly, no one this world has the right to distribute the certificate of "Kharjee", as GOD knows better who is on the right way.

secondly those who are of opinion that talibans are killing innocent people then I want to inform them that Pakistanis was not target until 2004, when Pervaiz Musharraf deployed the army in 2004 in north waziristan and started operation then an unending series of bomb blast started and still active. Clearly the operation was started on wish of USA and 50000 Pakistani lost their lives just because of Musharraf wants USA on his back to perpetuate his rule. So it is the consequences of wrong policy (I am not pro-taliban).

Thirdly, Taliban who are now terrorist in Pakistan's and USA dictionary and are on target of drones are the product of USA and Pakistan and in 1980 era they were darling of Pak and USA.

Fourthly, those who are of saying that if Pakistan is unable to control its border s so its right of USA to ruin the culprits in Pakistan territory. Moreover Pakistani is saving money and the drone expenses are taken by USA. and sovereignty are not violated as these are permitted. So I want to tell them that same opinion is held by Indian Administration also why you cant allow them also. All the above conditions are satisfied then. similarly, why Pakistan is not operating against Haqqani network, as according to USA haqqani is terrorist network, so if Pakistan can launch operation against TTP then why not against Haqqani.

Please avoid double standards. The collapsed economy and terrorism are the consequences of double standard. we can tolerate the same activity on our western border but can not on our eastern border. is this our foreign policy. foreign policy is for all foreign countries not for one or two or a few.

I also want that terrorism should be uprooted but with our own efforts not by allowing others to intervene in our territory, as we are sovereign state and we have strong and capable army.