First, you can not call me a 'friend'.
Secondly, what makes you think you have been telling the truth and i have been lying despite evidence that i have linked. And which law guarantees that your side of argument is strong and rational and mine is not? Your brain? How can you be sure that YOUR brain is the logical one and mine is not?

The only thing concrete is EVIDENCE, and the evidence is that people get killed when people like you don't admit evil in the society and the fact that it needs to be changed.

My emotional attachment does not change the fact that a person was murdered.

Ignoring it won't change any of the FACTS.

Murder is a universal crime and I can bring you moutain of evidence that it happens everywhere. So is any state considering a change in its ideology because of high murder rate???

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sorry ma'm that I've hurt your emotions by writing on the top of my post Friend but, unfortunately, it's my nature to address everyone with respect so it's just business as usual for me because I believe I must be a human first and just writing friend to address someone is not a sin in any religion prevalent in the world (Ahmedianism included). so please, as you're a jealous guardian of your own sphere (opinion), keep that up and stay blessed.

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There is a thing called reference to the context. My CONTEXT for saying that was not what you have deduced.
And even IF i had meant it like this, Government change laws and strategies of problem handling, when law and order go beyond the control by the government, have we made any amendments?
Have we proposed any reforms?
Have we restructured our system?

Without any implementation of change, notions of an idealistic state which is above reproach does not hold any practical merit anywhere.

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Brother, If you are adamant that your conclusion is not fallible and immutable then why are you still in discussion? If you would become such rigid that only what you derive is correct, no matter how much absurd and illogical it is, then no argument would convince you because you have already concluded that you are going to be right. That is not the way of Gentlemen my friend. In discussions, you have to give arguments to convince your contenders, you can't just be self righteous nor is your self derived conclusion sanctimonious.

Best of Luck

P.S: It is better to stop that discussion here, it is mere wastage of time if one party thinks that he/she is right naturally and others are wrong.

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Yeah friend! I think the discusion have been diverted to the road of polemics and sorry forum members as I got a bit rude in one of my post. A Pashto poet, Ghani Khan, has rightly said that different people have different opinions but all are right in a way.

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I quite agree that it's wrong to have rigid opinions. Which is why I only concluded that after detailed discussion. As it happens, the discussion points in that direction, and it was also agreed by a person having an opposite view (mhmmdkashif).

Secondly, almost all of my arguments remained unanswered, were evaded with irreverent issues and rhetoric.

Finally, do you disagree with the conclusion? Very well then, I only have a simple question in that case: Does "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan have equal/same laws for Muslims and non-Muslims?

You people are enjoying the real luxury of so much spare time.
And sorry, I forgot for a while that ,I am now living in the hijacked country of Maudoodi, Munawar Hassan, Mufti Mahmood & all those who earlier considered Pakistan as Paleedistan & Qaid e Azam (r.a) as Kafir e Azam along with Hakim Ullah SHAHEED & his saint companions. This country no more belongs to Sir Zafar Ullah Khan, M.M Ahmad, Dr. Abdus Salam, General Akhtar Ali Malik, Air Marshel Noor Khan, Ubaid Ullah Aleem, Gen. Aziz & the list goes on & on. You can twist the logic, misinterpret the facts, yes you can even alter rather destroy the history for the time being but remember, history destoys those for sure who try to temper with it. God help us!

Please carry on!

I am not that much aware of the laws, but I think much of the civil and criminal laws are same for both Muslims and non-Muslims. Both Non-Muslim and Muslim criminals receive the same treatment before law. And also, as per law, lives and properties of Muslim and Non-Muslim citizens are also treated equally. If you know of any particular discriminations in the law in this regard kindly point out to increase my knowledge . Even the 'infamous' blasphemy law applies equally to Muslims and Non-Muslims.

But this fact cannot be ignored that social conditions for minorities, particularly religious minorities, are not very good here. The state in most cases succumb before the 'strong' instead of protecting the weak and allow for unbiased due process of law. This I guess is incompetency and timidity on part of the state functionaries, perhaps its corruption and selfishness (both strongly condemned behaviours in Islam) that makes them so timid . To an extent medieval era sectarian religious thought also plays a part in it perhaps, however the overall law and order is equally not good for both Muslims and Non-Muslims.

Some progress has also been made with regards to political status of the minorities, owes its thanks to 'free media' and 'social media' .

As stated earlier, there is a dire need to improve understanding of the religion. I guess we don't yet know how to implement Islamic teachings on an Industrial society living in scientific age. We have many groups (sectarian and political) who still hold medieval era interpretations high and they don't let any enlightenment come through to the society so that it could grow up . Whatsoever, the solution still lies in Islam, not Liberalism, as per my belief.

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Originally Posted by Sarrial Banda You people are enjoying the real luxury of so much spare time. And sorry, I forgot for a while that ,I am now living in the hijacked country of Maudoodi, Munawar Hassan, Mufti Mahmood & all those who earlier considered Pakistan as Paleedistan & Qaid e Azam (r.a) as Kafir e Azam along with Hakim Ullah SHAHEED & his saint companions. This country no more belongs to Sir Zafar Ullah Khan, M.M Ahmad, Dr. Abdus Salam, General Akhtar Ali Malik, Air Marshel Noor Khan, Ubaid Ullah Aleem, Gen. Aziz & the list goes on & on. You can twist the logic, misinterpret the facts, yes you can even alter rather destroy the history for the time being but remember, history destoys those for sure who try to temper with it. God help us! Please carry on!

There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist. Relax!

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