Nelson Mandela and his Relevance to Pakistan. - Page 5

Sarrial Banda · #41 Sunday, December 08, 2013

@Gypsified & Rida

You people are just wasting your time & energies in arguing with a mob who simply can't understand your point; no matter how hard you try & how strong logic you present. Internal & external condition of Pakistan is quite evident now but is visible only to those who have a sane mind, who can think & analyse facts without any prejudice & then can deduce or conclude something concrete. What else you expect from people of a failed state?? Don't expect anything here soon unless the Lord himself announces His decision.

Rida Malik · #42 Sunday, December 08, 2013

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Originally Posted by Sarrial Banda

@Gypsified & Rida

You people are just wasting your time & energies in arguing with a mob who simply can't understand your point; no matter how hard you try & how strong logic you present. Internal & external condition of Pakistan is quite evident now but is visible only to those who have a sane mind, who can think & analyse facts without any prejudice & then can deduce or conclude something concrete. What else you expect from people of a failed state?? Don't expect anything here soon unless the Lord himself announces His decision.

You are actually right.
I had abandoned arguing with people on these issues a long time ago but when i saw him talking about this, i had to say something too.
But i realise its futile.
You can not make people see what they do not want to.
Some people revel in misery and control.

ADIL KHESHGI · #43 Sunday, December 08, 2013

Dear Friend! We are the citizen of not a failed state, hard times comes and this is one such time in our history but we believe in our potential as a nation and Inshallah will be victorious against the prevalent challenges. The state you're talking about may be your Pakistan, our Pakistan is neither failed nor will fail Inshallah. gypsified and Rida Malik are on the wrong side of history because their logic is specious to which insane minds are vulnerable.

Rida Malik · #44 Monday, December 09, 2013

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Originally Posted by ADIL KHESHGI

Dear Friend! We are the citizen of not a failed state, hard times comes and this is one such time in our history but we believe in our potential as a nation and Inshallah will be victorious against the prevalent challenges. The state you're talking about may be your Pakistan, our Pakistan is neither failed nor will fail Inshallah. gypsified and Rida Malik are on the wrong side of history because their logic is specious to which insane minds are vulnerable.

Im sure the dead people of persecuted minorities and the foreign tourists that died out of terrorists hands in pakistan, would really appreciate your wonderful sentiments and agree that your positive attitude will help eradicate all such suffering from Pakistan.
And also, it will help people bound by conservatives all over the world out of their misery.
Unless you become one of the controllers of course.

Bilal Hassan · #45 Monday, December 09, 2013

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Originally Posted by Sarrial Banda

@Gypsified & Rida

You people are just wasting your time & energies in arguing with a mob who simply can't understand your point; no matter how hard you try & how strong logic you present. Internal & external condition of Pakistan is quite evident now but is visible only to those who have a sane mind, who can think & analyse facts without any prejudice & then can deduce or conclude something concrete. What else you expect from people of a failed state?? Don't expect anything here soon unless the Lord himself announces His decision.

Well first of all my dear brother I would like to tell you that sane and educated people always talk with argument, they don't start with vilification of their contender by calling him insane, that is naive attitude of yours. Thinking that you and those who support your point of view are sane and omniscient and all other's are insane, it can be a euphoria but not sanity. So always talk on arguments, my brother it is not good to malign the reputation of your contender.

Coming to the point, what internal condition of Pakistan manifests that it is not a safe place for Minorities? The instances your friends quoted are not at all betokens of severity of situation they were trying to prove. Indians brutally slain Muslims in Gujrat in state sponsored riots, In Pakistan we never see such an act of state atrocities against minorities. Indians are killing Kashmiris and still they are not criticized while in Pakistan we don't see such a situation for minorities.

Buddhist monks slew innocent Muslims in Burma while Aung San Suu Kyi chants high slogans of State tolerance, democracy and liberalism, she didn't speak a word against such brutalities, we don't see such a situation here in our country of minorities. They were not criticized by anyone so how come you blame Pakistan!

France, Switzerland and Spain are leberal and developed as well as educated countries, they banned the Hijab, on what basis? They banned the building of Minarets, how could it be justified!

You have a sane mind, I have given you the facts, now analyse them and compare them with our own situation.

I would love to know your parameters of a failed state, what are your touchstones on the basis of which you declare Pakistan a failed state? All these crisis we are facing are not unique, every country that is still in nascent stages faces the same problems. The social, administrative and economic structure needs time to grow and stand on solid foundations, now Pakistan is struggling out of her vicissitudes and I am sanguine Insha Allah that time is not far when all such issues are resolved. All states face such problems but calling it a failed state cannot be justified.

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Originally Posted by Rida Malik

Im sure the dead people of persecuted minorities and the foreign tourists that died out of terrorists hands in pakistan, would really appreciate your wonderful sentiments and agree that your positive attitude will help eradicate all such suffering from Pakistan.
And also, it will help people bound by conservatives all over the world out of their misery.
Unless you become one of the controllers of course.

Dead people belonging to minorities are very small in number when we compare it to the atrocities of liberal US and NATO in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

The so called liberal people do not respect the humanity and for them the killing of innocent Muslim kids, women and men is just like fulfilling their religious duty as they call it crusaders.

The so called liberals burn the copies of Quran and announces beforehand but state does not stop them.

The so called Liberals publish the sketches of Prophet (PBUH) in public newspapers but they are not caught or punished.

All of these acts are done with the "go ahead" of a Liberal state, Here in Pakistan could you give me any instance comparable to any of above instances?

If such is the attitude of Liberal states with religious minorities particularly Muslims, then I very confidently say Pakistan is heaven for minorities. Never here we see an act of state sponsored persecution of minorities as we see in West. We are better off being an Islamic and conservative state then.

Invincible · #46 Monday, December 09, 2013

Irrelevant! You all are griping Mandela's soul.

If a group of people wakes up someday & start believing publicly in associating partners with Allah (SWT) yet adamant to be called as Muslims; will it be conceded on any ground? If answer is not affirmative, one should not bother to call Ahamdis as Muslims. As a citizen of this state, they can exercise their all rights except promotion of their faulty belief.

If you go through the statistics, number of Muslim casualties is far greater than those of minorities in Pakistan.

Regards,

Gypsified · #47 Monday, December 09, 2013

There's a lot of meaningless rhetoric with no content and so far there is nothing that contradicts with this:

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Conclusion: Pakistan is not a secular country. Secular countries allow freedom of preaching religion, building new places of worship and conversions. Pakistan does not. Pakistan can't follow secular countries so it won't allow any such freedoms.

Pakistanis, thus, proudly stand for state-sanctioned persecution of minorities.

mhmmdkashif · #48 Monday, December 09, 2013

A religious state such as Pakistan will definitely check other religions within its jurisdiction just like a secular state will check alternative political theories from taking ground in their society. You can't openly preach Fascism or Communism in a Democratic state because an alternate system put the existing system in peril, similarly you can't openly preach different religions here because Pakistan was founded for Islam. You may go round and round but this is the bottom line. Please correct your self as well and stop attacking this country as the only place where all goes wrong.

Gypsified · #49 Monday, December 09, 2013

There are Communist parties in almost all European countries. As a matter of fact, Nazi supporters, also known as skinheads, are free to propagate their views in the US. Yes, Communism was once suppressed in the US but that is history. It doesn't happen now. You can even see fanatic Muslims on the roads of London calling for Jihad. No one bothers about them.

I wonder where you get your sweeping generalizations from, just to misguide a less informed reader.

Result: My previous conclusion stands unaltered.

mhmmdkashif · #50 Monday, December 09, 2013

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There are Communist parties in almost all European countries. As a matter of fact, Nazi supporters, also known as skinheads, are free to propagate their views in the US. Yes, Communism was once suppressed in the US but that is history. It doesn't happen now. You can even see fanatic Muslims on the roads of London calling for Jihad. No one bothers about them.

I wonder where you get your sweeping generalizations from, just to misguide a less informed reader.

Result: My previous conclusion stands unaltered.

Then why is Nazi salute and Holocaust denial outlawed in many countries???

Anyways, Ahmadia are also here, they can take to streets and lay their demands as they also have freedom to assemble, they are not being wiped out

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