i dont have much to say because you all are much educated person over here..
but i just want to say that..Iqbal mostly poetry is in persian and Nisar saab diagree to ready persian so how come he knows that iqbal's poetry muslims life dificult...i believe you all and hasan nisar sab are well educated but you all and hassan nisar sab cant even read persian so how can you nisar sab and you guys can understand what exactly ment by Dr. Sab..and Ghalib Faiz and other poet didnt influence the mentality of that time muslims iqbal was the only poet who boost muslims issues.. make them to step frwrd....at the end no disrespect to any senior member..i read your posts and i believe i have the right to say something on my behalf.

Much of the Iqbal's work has been translated from Persian so anyone can read and comment on that.

Secondly the point that Iqbal's influence is larger than his contemporary poets like faiz doesn't hold ground. We believe so because we are taught wrong side of the history only to paint Iqbal as a Superman

Exactly that's why the Turks ended Khilafat while the Muslims of the subcontinent here were beating drums in the favor of Khilafat. Come on bro why not just accept it that even in that era, which is not very old in historical sense, this notion was quite shattered all around. I have just quoted one example. There may be others too.

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Any ways I'm out of this debate. Its a very subjective one. Everyone has their views and we should all respect that. However, as far as my own point of view is concerned I've clearly expressed them in my first comment on this post. Which was, Iqbal had relevance even in that age and even today, as a literary figure, who deserve all the respect that any literary figure should get.

Further, if there is always a possibility that one may not agree to some of the views of a particular person, no matter how much lofty he/she is in literary or historical national sense. Disagreements on some points doesn't means you don't respect that person.

In addition to that I've also mentioned that Hassan Nisar's way of criticizing and ridiculing is not very sober and sane in my view be it Iqbal or any layman. Though one of our friend, gypsied here, even prove the logic behind that course of rhetoric too, which for me again makes a lot of sense, even though I may not agree to that manner entirely.

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“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there.” Rumi

Maybe I missed his predictions in The Reconstruction of religious thought in Islam which is the basis on which I called him relevant even today. I'm not talking about Iqbal as a poet.

Read this if you're interested to know more http://www.cssforum.com.pk/off-topic...modernity.html

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Good post...What it is doing in off-topic lounge..It should be somewhere in the major sections...

However,in declaring himself as "Mutazila" one should take care...It's quite dangerous...

Ibn-e-Taimyyah was in favor of "Taqlid"...And not only Taqlid...Blind Taqlid...So....
And also much controversial...On one side he said this...On other he quotes "Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani" considered as "Top Most" in all "Suffi" clans...And who was actually himself a "Mujaddid" of his times...It's much debatable...

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I read that post couple of weeks ago. Even his prose is full of contradictions for instance in one chapter he supports amalgamation of Islam and democracy and in other he propagates secular political system.so I'm unsure how his contradictory philosophy is relevant today

can't help you with your unsurety but he wasn't contradictory there. His point was secular politics and democracy is compatible with Islamic religion.

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@ all
I wonder why people spend their lives in exploring various aspects of Iqbal if we laymen (concerning Iqbal) are capable enough of passing sweeping statements about him. Why are there departments of Iqbaliat in our educational institutions where lot of research is carried out? Rightly said that little learning is dangerous thing. Most of us are not well versed with what he said while holistic study of Iqbal is required to access "Iqbal". He himself once wrote:-

Muj ko bhi tamanna hay k Iqbal ko dekhun
Ki uss ki justajoo men bari jaan fashani

Regards!

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I can understand Hassan Nisar frustration, as a nation we rely too much on some personalities for our ideals whose vision was very limited to their time, but we fail to understand the natural fact that the environment is continuously changing and human nature is continuously evolving according to that so if the source of ideals is not self awareness then we end up making Gods out of personalities and it's a dangerous thing . Indeed Hassan Nisar crossed the limits of positive criticism, but I think it suggests the level of frustration that has grown when there is unyielding insistence upon same old ideals even though they hold no ground in today's environment . Iqbaliat is kind of enforced upon everyone in Pakistan, it serves no purpose and perhaps Iqbal himself had not wanted it, or maybe he did I don't know, but today his poetry can only be a source of inspiration through which we can understand the thought of his time which has influenced where we stand today, but we will never be able to understand today's world and shape future if we insist upon seeing it with Iqbal's eyes alone .

P.s. I have never read Iqbal though . I hold no interest in poetry.

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