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It can be commonly observed that when people are affluent they tend to project themselves outside while they become distrustful of their existing relationships as the wealth gap gets bigger than the bridges holding them together . Thus patriotic fervor and economic development of a country can't go side by side because it could be a path of contradiction with the nature. Most nation states historically and even at present times make appeal to patriotism or religious fervor when they are at war or in some sort of national crisis, however our beloved Pakistan seems to be a unique example where state often calls for patriotic fervor to build up economy. It seems the country is at war with itself because of that, not just country but every individual whether in streets or homes or workplaces seems to be muddled in apparently pointless debates. How do you guys view that . our country want to fight a war, enter modern age and build up an economy all at the same time, is that possible??? Or will it be disastrous for the country as well as people.
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It can be commonly observed that when people are affluent they tend to project themselves outside while they become distrustful of their existing relationships as the wealth gap gets bigger than the bridges holding them together . Thus patriotic fervor and economic development of a country can't go side by side because it could be a path of contradiction with the nature. Most nation states historically and even at present times make appeal to patriotism or religious fervor when they are at war or in some sort of national crisis, however our beloved Pakistan seems to be a unique example where state often calls for patriotic fervor to build up economy. It seems the country is at war with itself because of that, not just country but every individual whether in streets or homes or workplaces seems to be muddled in apparently pointless debates. How do you guys view that . our country want to fight a war, enter modern age and build up an economy all at the same time, is that possible??? Or will it be disastrous for the country as well as people.
Well, I would love to write an essay on it. But shortly

Nurturing the sense of "identities" will take us to the war, or bring some war to us.
You can't shun your identities, but you can remove the useless "emotional attachment" with them.
To build up an economy you need to have long term stability (at least 50-60) years with stable state of mind as well.
Pakistanis specifically and Muslims generally are too easy to be exploited in terms of their "Identities" and this weakness of theirs is always used in the proxy wars.
No matter we sprouted from a nation having "Tribalism" and "Feudalism" in it's roots, but we need to root them out. Even after half a century of advent of Islam Muslims have fought on the basis of "Himyarites" and "Modharites" basis. You can see still see now a lot of basis on which the Muslims can be exploited to fight with themselves easily viz
1. Arab and Non-Arab
2. Languages e.g Siraiki, Punjabi
3. Conformists and Non-Confirmists
4. Leftist and Rightists

To have your economy boosted, you need a long time for peace in society as well as in the minds of people. You need to remove this useless "emotional attachment" with useless "identities".
Mustafa Kamal however, tried to remove religion altogether from the society. He did not removed the religion actually because religion has in the modern times, due to lack of knowledge, advantages and disadvantages both.

What he removed was the "Identity Consciousness" among the people, which drives us towards some war or bring war towards us.
But he somehow finally failed as well, the religion sprouted again. Because you can not remove it altogether. No doubt religion is a necessity, but we will have to identify, what our religion actually demands and what not.
You can remove it for short term benefits but finally the human being's necessities tied with the religion will not allow him to leave it altogether.

So, despite of being exploited by some "Elitists" (e.g Hitler,Zia-ul-Haq, Hameed Gul etc) or "Mullas" (OBL, Zaid Hamid) , it's the time for us to remain aloof from these ploys. We need to have consensus that whosoever, exploits us uselessly, will be persecuted, whosoever tried to infuriate us on the basis of our "identities" should be persecuted and we must drive ourselves towards solution pratique of our predicaments.
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You can't shun your identities, but you can remove the useless "emotional attachment" with them.
Hmmm well the sense of 'identity' is naturally present so nothing can be done about that. In Pakistan people attach themselves to various identities, national, provincial, ethnic, religious, even down to tribal and family level, and they are highly emotional about all the identities, but the problem arises when they keep switching between them on their whims and there's no way to understand what identity someone is using at any particular moment. Perhaps this is a major reason why most Pakistanis are the most unreliable people who are always at opposite side of anything and never understand and make compromise . But the problem lies with the state, it seems to be exploiting it's own people where ever it can instead of trying to give them a sense of organized life and bring 'rule of law' instead of 'rule of authority'. Insecurity of all kinds including fear of exploitation is perhaps another major reason why people are so emotional about the identities.

Ohh and yeah the only identity that seems lost among this pickle of identities is the personal identity of a Pakistani, the identity which is displayed by the personal character of an individual
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it seems to be exploiting it's own people where ever it can instead of trying to give them a sense of organized life and bring 'rule of law' instead of 'rule of authority'. Insecurity of all kinds including fear of exploitation is perhaps another major reason why people are so emotional about the identities.

Well, at least we have n't the ministry of Propaganda as was with Nazis, otherwise the scene was supposed to be different. There is no true Goebbels among the government officials and mostly the people are seen divided with the policies of their leaders.
Media, if not completely, to some extent, partially shows the true picture of the things and picture of the both sides.
So, our Middle class educated people can select now what's right or wrong.
Governments are meant to establish their authorities, it's the people who decide what to take and what not.
While managing the radical and rebellious minds, the governments start shifting their attitudes from democracy to dictatorship, like establishing the military courts, which effect the common man a lot and spread a sense of fear as well.So, rotten type of democracy which exists in the country has it's own disadvantages.

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Ohh and yeah the only identity that seems lost among this pickle of identities is the personal identity of a Pakistani, the identity which is displayed by the personal character of an individual
Well, there is no Mulla in the Friday sermon telling us the importance of "Nationalism" in true sense. They tell "Pakistan was meant to be the lab of Islam and as all Muslims are one, and are meant to rule the world, we must always remember our religion as against our nationality" or sometimes are seen to tell us that you belong to Arabia actually in front of Rajputs, Butts, Maliks, Jatts, Arayins they are telling us that we belong to Arabia (and sometime Maulana himself is a Dogar sb), as Muhammad Bin Qasim invaded this land and we are their children.

Well, you can tell people about "National Islamism" like "National Socialism".
But unfortunately, you were never the plunderers or invaders, you were actually remained the "victims" throughout the history. So, you can't idealise anyone like Alexander The Great, or Spartans.

Yes, you can tell them that as the Aryans invaded you 2000 years back so you are actually the Germans and Hitler had the same blood as you have.

May be we have nothing with us being a "Pakistani", the reason our Ulemas , Politicians and Scholars tell us to become some Muhammad bin Qasim or Saladin?

And even if I take some recent example I have lost all the wars against my beloved enemy and have a "stolen" Atomic bomb. And a great badge for creating the biggest faction of Terrorists in the world. More then half of my country was separated just after 20 years of the creation of my country.
And when we found that we can't fight our enemy overtly we launched Operation Gibraltar etc etc. A big controversial chapter.

But If we haven't some history to proud of, it does not mean we can't make a new good one.
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