Temporary likely to continue and Temporary Job at FPSC

[mealways]

Dear All

What is deffernce between

Temporary likely to continue and simple Temporary Jobs at FPSC

Please share you kind knowledge about it.
i mean just whoz status is just "Temporary" on FPSC website are turned into Permanent , or what

Regards

[stalking||shadow]

Originally Posted by mealways

Dear All

What is deffernce between

Temporary likely to continue and simple Temporary Jobs at FPSC

Please share you kind knowledge about it.
i mean just whoz status is just "Temporary" on FPSC website are turned into Permanent , or what

Regards

ITS IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION TO ASKED.

Most of People in Govt Service dont even know about the permanent and temporary posts. I am actually liable to be paid for rendering this legal advice.

Reference from civil servants act:
"
Section 2, Definitions:
(e) "permanent post" means a post sanctioned without limit of time;
(i) "temporary post" means a post other than a permanent post. ............

3. Terms and conditions.– [(i)] The terms and conditions of a civil
servant shall be as provided in this Act and the rules.
*[(ii) The terms and conditions of service of any person to whom this
Act applies shall not be varied to his disadvantage]
........
"

When a Civil Servant is to be recruited, he is given offer letter that has terms and conditions. Accepting the said offer constitutes a contract between the Civil Servant and the Government Dept.
In reference to the Civil Servants act, if the offer letter does not state the duration of job or does not set any other time limit regards the service then the Civil Servant shall be deemed to be on permanent post subject to clearing of probation.

Kindly note that the terms and conditions can not be changed to a civil servant's disadvantage ( ref to section 3 of Civ Serv Act.)

EVEN WHEN THE ADVERTISEMENT STATES THAT THE JOB IS TEMPORARY OR TEMPORARY LIKELY TO BE PERMANENT IT IS THE OFFER LETTER THAT SPECIFIES THE ACTUAL STATUS OF JOB. (MOST OF THE TIMES OFFER LETTERS ARE ISSUES AS FOR PERMANENT POST)

[Amna]

Originally Posted by stalking||shadow

ITS IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION TO ASKED.

Most of People in Govt Service dont even know about the permanent and temporary posts. I am actually liable to be paid for rendering this legal advice.

Reference from civil servants act:
"
Section 2, Definitions:
(e) "permanent post" means a post sanctioned without limit of time;
(i) "temporary post" means a post other than a permanent post. ............

3. Terms and conditions.– [(i)] The terms and conditions of a civil
servant shall be as provided in this Act and the rules.
*[(ii) The terms and conditions of service of any person to whom this
Act applies shall not be varied to his disadvantage]
........
"

When a Civil Servant is to be recruited, he is given offer letter that has terms and conditions. Accepting the said offer constitutes a contract between the Civil Servant and the Government Dept.
In reference to the Civil Servants act, if the offer letter does not state the duration of job or does not set any other time limit regards the service then the Civil Servant shall be deemed to be on permanent post subject to clearing of probation.

Kindly note that the terms and conditions can not be changed to a civil servant's disadvantage ( ref to section 3 of Civ Serv Act.)

EVEN WHEN THE ADVERTISEMENT STATES THAT THE JOB IS TEMPORARY OR TEMPORARY LIKELY TO BE PERMANENT IT IS THE OFFER LETTER THAT SPECIFIES THE ACTUAL STATUS OF JOB. (MOST OF THE TIMES OFFER LETTERS ARE ISSUES AS FOR PERMANENT POST)

Do not reply in CAPITALS.

Read and abide by the Forum Rules and Policies.

[mealways]

Thank you very much for you guide stalking||shadow .... but how can we then establish if no offer letter is given to anyone with temporary job status...

and AMNA please thats not a way to pinpoint someone for the reason that's logically not set....

Regards
and thanks again for clearing me MR "unknown name"

[stalking||shadow]

TO Ms AMNA:
I mean no harm to anyone and no disrespect either. The rules state that if capitals are used when referring to shouting then they may be offensive. Kindly review the comments.
One must be able to use the capitals to indicate important statement.

Originally Posted by mealways

Thank you very much for you guide stalking||shadow .... but how can we then establish if no offer letter is given to anyone with temporary job status...

"

In my opinion when no offer letter is given and a person is notified for appointment. It will mean that he will be permanent after probation period.
Reference may be made to
Civil Servants (Appointment, Promotion
and Transfer Rules, 1973
"
***PART V –- PROBATION
21. (1) Persons appointed by initial appointment, promotion or transfer
shall be on probation for a period of one year.
*Subs, vide Establishment Division Notification S.R.O. No. 146(I)/84, dated 9-2-1984.
**Subs vide Establishment Division S.R.O. No.122(I)/2000, dated 15-3-2000.
***Added vide Establishment Division Notification S.R.O. No. 968(I)/82, dated 21-9-1982.
(2) The period of probation may be curtailed for good and sufficient
reasons, to be recorded, or, if considered necessary, it may be extended
for a period not exceeding one year as may be specified at the time of
appointment.
(3) On the successful completion of probation period, the appointing
authority shall, by specific order, terminate the probation.
(4) If no order is issued under sub-rule (3), on the expiry of the first year
of probation period, the period of probation shall be deemed to have been
extended under sub-rule (2):
Provided that, subject to the provisions of proviso to sub-section (2) of
section 6 of the Civil Servants Act, 1973 in the absence of an order under subrule
(3), the period of probation shall, on the expiry of the extended period under
sub-rule (2), be deemed to have successfully been completed.
"

In above situation, the person so appointed must not point this fact to appointing authority as they may correct their error and it may go to the servant's disadvantage.

You may check ESTACODE for confirmation of the above.

The above is a legal opinion.

www.agp.gov.pk/docs/ESTACODE.pdf


To make things clear. I myself have been appointed on a post which had been marked temporary in advert. While the offer letter stated probation and did not state limited employment. Probation does not apply on temporary post.

I dont think that someone would be appointed without offer letter as at the time of salary processing, all documentation is required and hence the dept provides everything.

[Amna]

Few words in a sentence are tolerable, but the whole sentence shouldn't be in capitals . To highlight the important statements one should use the bold , italic or colored font .

[mealways]

Thanks bro for your information... one more thing that I have been recommended by commision(FPSC) for consideration for appointment to the above post subject to "Verification of Character antecedents and medical examination and completion of other formalities"

and one more important thing thats also mentioned in my letter is

"This communication should in no way be treated as an offer or guarantee of appointment, for which the final responsibility rests with the Governments.

please clear me what is that mean.... and also what medical tests to be ...name please them.

Thanks
Regards

[stalking||shadow]

Originally Posted by mealways

Thanks bro for your information... one more thing that I have been recommended by commision(FPSC) for consideration for appointment to the above post subject to "Verification of Character antecedents and medical examination and completion of other formalities"

and one more important thing thats also mentioned in my letter is

"This communication should in no way be treated as an offer or guarantee of appointment, for which the final responsibility rests with the Governments.

please clear me what is that mean.... and also what medical tests to be ...name please them.

Thanks
Regards

The text you are referring to is a standard offer letter.

Normally, the first step after issuance of offer letter is the medical examination. When you go to join they will send you to medical center. Once you have been issued a provisional medical certificate then you take the certificate back to dept who will issue you an appointment letter.
MEDICAL TEST includes blood test, urine test, weight, height, eye test, chest xray etc.

The VERIFICATION AND CHARACTER thing can be accomplished later during the job. As the law states that the probation can not be completed without the checks and character verification.

Congrats that you been offered a job. May I ask what post you getting on to.

[mealways]

First Thanks Dear.... this was for Assistant Director Post...and once again why this

""This communication should in no way be treated as an offer or guarantee of appointment, for which the final responsibility rests with the Governments."

is mentioned in a nomination letter.. why.....


and can you tell me what would be the salary for new BS-17 (Currently in 2013).


Regards

[hamsad]

Originally Posted by mealways

First Thanks Dear.... this was for Assistant Director Post...and once again why this

""This communication should in no way be treated as an offer or guarantee of appointment, for which the final responsibility rests with the Governments."

is mentioned in a nomination letter.. why.....


and can you tell me what would be the salary for new BS-17 (Currently in 2013).


Regards

The Basic Pay Scales are as follows:-
BS (Effective 01-07-2011)
16. 10000-800-34000
17. 16000-1200-40000
18. 20000-1500-50000
19. 31000-1600-63000
20. 36000-2350-68900
21. 40000-2600-76400
22. 43000-3050-85700

downloaded & copied from FPSC guidelines