[QUOTE=Last Island;861748]@ Muhammad Bilal Butt

Aap sara din hari mirchain chabatay hain kya? Her waqt aag bagola kyun rehtay hain? Andaz dheema rakhain apna.[/QUOTE]

G behtar. Asal mein es mulk k logon ne baray ghum diye hain, es lia mera mood aksar kharab he rehta hai... mein peechlay 5 saal sey apnay life k tough tenure sey guzar raha hon... ab halka phulka sa bhi mein argue nai kar sakta just to make myself a bit calm. :( But I will try to behave here exactly what moderators want me to behave.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861752]G behtar. Asal mein es mulk k logon ne baray ghum diye hain, es lia mera mood aksar kharab he rehta hai... mein peechlay 5 saal sey apnay life k tough tenure sey guzar raha hon... ab halka phulka sa bhi mein argue nai kar sakta just to make myself calm. :([/QUOTE]
5 saal? Ho sakta hai jis se aap is andaz main baat ker rahay hon, wo 10 saal se tough life guzaar raha ho. Aap her kisi ki koi na koi kahani hai. Koi dukhi nazar na aaye to yeh matlab nahi keh usay koi dukh hi nahi hai. Aksar loag koi na koi jung lar rahay hotay hain. Apnay andar ki karrwahat is tarah logon pe nahi undailtay. Dukh, sakhti, aazmaish insan ko narm bananay k liye hoti hai. Husn e sulook behtar hai, werna khamoshi afzal hai.

[QUOTE=Last Island;861753]5 saal? Ho sakta hai jis se aap is andaz main baat ker rahay hon, wo 10 saal se tough life guzaar raha ho. Aap her kisi ki koi na koi kahani hai. Koi dukhi nazar na aaye to yeh matlab nahi keh usay koi dukh hi nahi hai. Aksar loag koi na koi jung lar rahay hotay hain. Apnay andar ki karrwahat is tarah logon pe nahi undailtay. Dukh, sakhti, aazmaish insan ko narm bananay k liye hoti hai. Husn e sulook behtar hai, werna khamoshi afzal hai.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am almost agree with what you have said. Waisay mein ne koi karrwahat nahi undaily lakin ap ko agar lagta hai wo karwahat thi tou mein ab nahi undailon ka karwahat dobara.

Dosra ye key ap discriminate tou na na karein 2 members k darmayan... Ap ne unhay tou kuch nai kaha saray teer ap k muj pey he chalay hain :(

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861754]Yes I am almost agree with what you have said. Waisay mein ne koi karrwahat nahi undaily lakin ap ko agar lagta hai wo karwahat thi tou mein ab nahi undailon ka karwahat dobara.

Dosra ye key ap discriminate tou na na karein 2 members k darmayan... Ap ne unhay tou kuch nai kaha saray teer ap k muj pey he chalay hain :([/QUOTE]
Un ki baton se aap ko ikhtalaf ho sakta hai lekin un ke na lehja barhum hai, na andaz main teekhapun. Aap ki baton per bhi unhon ne koi sakht baat nahi ki. Is liye unhain main kuch nahi keh sakti.

Okay right. I understood.

this is the fault of your foolish government, they completely failed to delivered the good governance. The Nawaz and shebaz sharif are like a Mafia, the police department is also responsible for this, they used police department for their own purposes. it will be better for all of you, if you stand up against them

[QUOTE=sincer khan;861789]this is the fault of your foolish government, they completely failed to delivered the good governance. The Nawaz and shebaz sharif are like a Mafia, the police department is also responsible for this, they used police department for their own purposes. it will be better for all of you, if you stand up against them[/QUOTE]

Agreed. We should stand up and strive to reform the system and shouldn't "bear" it too at any cost. At least, at this point of time, we can do so on individual level.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;861749][B]Lastly, ap mera zahir r batin ni janty jo apne kaha k ma ALLAH PAK k baqi Ahkamaat ni manta. You are nobody to judge my faith. So, leave it.[/B]
Yes you are right that who I am to judge your faith. But you didn't read my comment properly. I have included you, I and every other to make my argument general.
Jis taran "Jhoot" sey roka gaya hai.... lakin aaj kal k doar mein koi aisa nai ho ga jis ne zindage mein khoot na bola ho. Hala k Jhoot sey bhi tou roka gaya hai... esi taran bohat sey ehkamat hain jo hum log follow nai kartay .... Ab har koi "wali Allah" tou nahi ho sakta. Wo mein ne generally kaha tha ap ko point out nai kiya tha.

Mein ne miss zahra ko es liye kaha tha k avoid getting into that mess. Because keechar mein paon rakhnay sey apnay uper bhi keechar parta hai.

[B]It's better to live one day as a lion than hundreds years as a coward..."[/B]
You are just proving that you are loin and others who have a difference of opinion with you are cowards. otherwise there was no need to quote this line, and it was out of context.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to be in a religious debate with you so leave it bro. Allah knows the best who follows His commandments.

Not at all bro, I shared that quotation just to make you realize that we should not bear any kind of misconduct and strictly address it. It's far better than to react manfully and give a blow to such people rather bearing their barbarianism and insulting own's dignity and self-respect..

How could you say that she should avoid them ? It means a girl should not do anything for her protection ? bhai agr asia honey lagey tw koi b larki mehfoz na rahey. Jo jitna chup rehta r zulm bardasht krta tw zamana osko utna e dabata. It's very wrong approach. Sorry to say, but let me say this, agr Ms. Zahra ki jaga apki family members hoti tw ap unko avoid krny ka mashwara na dety. bto it's not a "kichar" it's hell so rather falling in it, each one of us should resist, react and fight with courage. :)

Let me share a hadith: Agr tm ma sy koi zulm hota dekhy tw hath sy rokey, iski taqat b ni rakhta tw zuban sy rokey, iski taqat b ni rakhta tw os buraee ko dil ma bura janey r ye tmhary eman ki sb sy kamzor nishani ha.

Jb Rasool-e-Pak (S.A.W.W) ne dosro pr zulm rokny k ly ye irshad farmaya ha tw apny upar zulm kaisey bardasht kea ja sakta ha ? Quran-e-Pak ma b aya ha k "ay Muslmano ! apni jano pr zulm na kro"

jb apni jan pr zulm krny sy man farmaya gya ha tw kis tarah dosrey ka zulm bardasht kea jaiy ? We are living in a democratic country and enjiy the freedom of expression. To what extent it's democratic is another debate, but, here the point is we should never ever allow others to play with our emotions and torture us either mentally or physically.

akhir ma ma bus itna e kahoga k dear, mardangi zulm k khilaf lazman istamal krni chahiay warna aisi mardangi ka achar dalna ha jis sy ap khud ko defend na kr sako :D

Good luck and stay blessed.

Regards.

@RMKamran
How funny, you associate mardangi with zulm. I literally don't know what do you think of "mardangi". Raising voice against atrocity is fine, but I don't get the idea of "Mardangi". Mardangi is a word which is still unclear to me. So how do you define a "mardangi" in this context, is it a physical power or what? I want you to response on it.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;862157]@RMKamran
How funny, you associate mardangi with zulm. I literally don't know what do you think of "mardangi". Raising voice against atrocity is fine, but I don't get the idea of "Mardangi". Mardangi is a word which is still unclear to me. So how do you define a "mardangi" in this context, is it a physical power or what? I want you to response on it.[/QUOTE]

Oh really ? You 'literally' don't know :blink: :D :pp I have naive on your innocence if the thing "mardangi" is unclear to you :laughing

Well, though it looks fishy yet it seems you have cracked the rest of the nut and agreed what I said in my last post. :dd

Haha you yourself have countered your argument. Listen up boy !! Atrocity and "zulm" are similar words. It refers to evil, crime, barbarianism etc. If you don't know the meaning, then it's useless to confuse yourself and pass a weird comment. Having said that, so far "mardangi" is concerned, it's your will to fight against evils prevailing in a society and defend yourself as well as your loved ones. It's definitely not limited to physical power, you can show your mardangi through voice and pen as well. I didn't mean to blow that man's head off who threats you or does anything silly with you but at least you should be able to defend yourself by all means. You should react to show deterrence.

I think I have done with your question. Additionally, it's a suggestion that please broad your vision and be optimistic. :)

Stay bold :pp

come on kamran and bilal,, this forum is not a platform for counter arguments,, last island in me plz dosti karwa dain:pipe warna LOC wali situation hujani hai yahan :nono