[QUOTE=Elegant Virgo;176203]well sometimes its for prestage, sumtimes 4 power sumtimes 4 money bt its not always the same. as far as i am concerned its more than all that 4 me bcz 4 me its my dad's wish and i want to be the proud of my dad:)[/QUOTE]

same situation here.its my father's faith on me.

@ S. Ranjha, @ Wind

Your replies are good till interview but not afterwards.

[QUOTE=fidamah;176257]@ S. Ranjha, @ Wind

Your replies are good till interview but not afterwards.[/QUOTE]

Ney bro! While im not a fortune teller to claim what exactly ll happen in future but if u pointing out to prevalent practices in bureaucracy that make anyone new entering the system a part of it then lemme clear u that i know this system as good as anyone else either in or outside the bureaucracy if not better. so the commitment i make to myself is meaningful n durable. I am not talking of bringing any unrealistic radical changes in the system but im pretty much sure about my own self n know my fabric good enough to stand on my point.

Anyhow seasons ll change n tym ll show. Till then its a futile debate i guess.
So wish u all the best

All the posters in this thread are requested to read A.H. Maslow"s theory of NEED GRATIFICATION. They will find the answer !

but its not just only my fathers faith its also my passion to be a CSP its like a challange for me to join superior services

[COLOR="Green"]@FIDAMAN[/COLOR]

[B][COLOR="Green"]Respected Member,

Prophet (S.A.W) has said "amalu ka darumadar naiyutu par hain".The nobel intentions can spring out good deeds.

My purpose is not only to get passed and allocated but to do something good which is not a new thing.

And DEAR,this intention will not last upto the interview.

IF you have read the role or contribution of bureaucracy in pakistan's progress you must have known the facts that after partition through the dedicated efforts of these honest and hardworking people ,Pakistan got first constitution and All five years plans have been made by them.

Nothing is perfect so do this system but believe me there are still many honest people who are working for country,without any greed or lust of power,wealth and recognition.Despite of the failure of democracy and poltical system the country administrative machinery has been running.



And lastly,civil service is not the only way of serving the nation you can achieve this purpose by doing work honestly in your own field.[/COLOR][/B]


[B][COLOR="Blue"]@zash

Thank you zash for your comments and prayers.May Allah provide us the apportunities to actualize our potentials.[/COLOR][/B]

Regards

[I]Assalam-0-Alaikum,[/I]

To me, CSS is the only way to enter into the Superior Services of Pakistan by fair means. Entry into Civil Service does not mean that you will become head of executive, rather it would be a job to implement the will of the people through their representatives.

A question that I will serve the country and people - sounds well in theory but not in practice. Because Civil Servants are not too much empowered, they are chained by numerous factors. WE can call it a service to country as well as people, by abstaining from corruption, honesty to task and provision of quick relief to complainants.

I think on the ground civil service is not too much powerful as people think. If we revolt against the prevailing corrupt system then most probably one can't make a good career. Either to become a successful officer by adopting the current system or to be silent on such petty state and remain in dark corner till retirement.

[B]Guess what I want to say[/B] :)

Why are you people lying? What is harm in disclosing your inner intentions?

[QUOTE=fidamah;176444]Why are you people lying? What is harm in disclosing your inner intentions?[/QUOTE]

How do you know that they are lying? :thinking

[QUOTE=Princess Royal;176445]How do you know that they are lying? :thinking[/QUOTE]

You can see their actions after getting inducted in this field. Its not a surprise.

[QUOTE=fidamah;176449]You can see their actions after getting inducted in this field. Its not a surprise.[/QUOTE]

Then as i told u before, y dun u wait till the seasons change n tym shows u the true fabric of everyone.
What do u think ppl real intentions are??????
Money!!!!!!! or Power!!!!!!!
What if someone already has that in larger propotions than a CSP ll have?????????? Do u have a 3rd ambition for him too?????

I ll repeat myself its a futile debate at this point of tym. Let everyone aim for what he wishes.

[QUOTE=S_Ranjha;176455]Then as i told u before, y dun u wait till the seasons change n tym shows u the true fabric of everyone.
What do u think ppl real intentions are??????
Money!!!!!!! or Power!!!!!!!
What if someone already has that in larger propotions than a CSP ll have?????????? Do u have a 3rd ambition for him too?????

I ll repeat myself its a futile debate at this point of tym. Let everyone aim for what he wishes.[/QUOTE]

Don't mind dear S_Ranjha. I know you are already in possession of both the things but sorry to say none has ever arrived at saturation level in both the things. The more you have these two things the more you strive for extra.

@fidamah

I think you did not get my words in previous post. CSS is the only way to enter into higher service without any influence, only by dint of merit and hard work. Then to become a part of prevailing system of the country and get the luxuries of life by hook or by crook. Probably most of the candidates aspire to change the system but later they become part of the system willfully or unwillingly.

@chosen one i m totally agree wth u all we wana fame and wish everybody in family talk abt us etc

Now this discussion has been turning into arguements :wacko: so i can only say


[COLOR="Blue"]DISCUSSION IS AN EXCHANGE OF KNOWLEDGE,ARGUEMENT AN EXCHANGE OF
IGNORANCE.[/COLOR]

Regards

People want to become css or government officers because they don't see any other oppurtiunity after completion of thier education in Pakistan. Whether they are undereducated or overeducated, first one's want to do it for a shortcut reason and second one do it because they can not settle for the less ,CSS is the only field which can provide them with all what they want from life,a house , a car, many employees, better future for their children, respect in the society, power to do anything under their jurisdiction, they want to do a government job because it provide a scure future and guranteed retirement plan..Besides this there are many perk, priviledges , power, authority and other facilities are given to the Government officers which other private officers can not enjoy. Respect and authority other than Government job is look like a pitcher out of water!

In a backwards society like Pakistan, CSP officer is something really big whereas in highly developed educated countries, they are not. We have a predatory and underdeveloped society, people seek shortcuts and try to get power or money.

There are 3 reasons for anyone to do any kind of job:
[B]1. Money.
2. Power.
3. Social service.
[/B]
Depends on person to person.You see any corupted politician, his intention is only money, no matter what happens.

CSS is one such job where you will get 2 and 3. There is immense power vested in them. Some greedy guys use this power to earn money. But majority of them join this service to serve people.

As name suggests - "Civil" "Services". [B]You serve people. You are citizen's servant.[/B] You serve them being in the ambit of constitution, law and order.

[QUOTE=kingfalcon;880120]In a backwards society like Pakistan, CSP officer is something really big whereas in highly developed educated countries, they are not. We have a predatory and underdeveloped society, people seek shortcuts and try to get power or money.[/QUOTE]

Exactly kingfalcon.

To understand why someone wants to be a CSS officers, one must understand first how it's like to be an ordinary person here in [B]Pakistan[/B], what kind of life an ordinary person is living up here, and how it's like to live a rank-less life(being a private employee), whether one is highly educated, or have a normal education or having no education at all. Living here being an ordinary person is like living a life of a "Ghulam", and living here being a govt. officer is like living a life of a "Sahansha" or "Badshah", and by officer I mean elite class civil servants and even military officers too, and it only happens or can be seen in Pakistan only or might be in India. In developed countries there is no such thing, every citizen is treated equally, whether they are an officer or whatever or no one, no difference at all. Britishers ruled us and left their legacy behind, and we never came out of that shit.

[QUOTE=Muhammad Bilal Butt;880370]Exactly kingfalcon.

To understand why someone wants to be a CSS officers, one must understand first how it's like to be an ordinary person here in [B]Pakistan[/B], what kind of life an ordinary person is living up here, and how it's like to live a rank-less life(being a private employee), whether one is highly educated, or have a normal education or having no education at all. Living here being an ordinary person is like living a life of a "Ghulam", and living here being a govt. officer is like living a life of a "Sahansha" or "Badshah", and by officer I mean elite class civil servants and even military officers too, and it only happens or can be seen in Pakistan only or might be in India. In developed countries there is no such thing, every citizen is treated equally, whether they are an officer or whatever or no one, no difference at all. Britishers ruled us and left their legacy behind, and we never came out of that shit.[/QUOTE]

Brother you are right in every way, apart from one thing, British were much better than our Brown Goras. What good have we done by sending the British back? I think getting Pakistan was good but then we should've been with the British like Canada etc. Insan ban jatay, development aur izzat hoti, law and order, modern secular system and true democracy (which they were giving anyway). It's a dog's life over here if you are an ordinary private citizen. Too many crocodiles here. I feel disgusted to have been born here sometimes. Really regret coming back from UK. I am doing my best to get out of this hell now.

@ Kingfalcon: Yes you are right.
Once I was abused by a traffic warden in front of a dozen people, and that day I realized that what was my worth here being an educated ordinary person, and I literally cried that day while coming back home on my bike, I was hurt a lot because of the way I was badly treated, & that day I came to know the difference of being a civilian and being a govt. employee. I only can pray for the this country & hope that it changes with time, that's it.

[QUOTE=rizvan;172335]"to change the system u need to be the part of system"
its v easy to blame politicians and bearocracy to b the cause of poor governance in pakistan buh no1 wants to play his/her part in evolving it..so maybe we cud play our part n evolve it for the betterment by joining civil services...?[/QUOTE]
synonym of blind faith and lethargy is empty optimism ,,,,,,,,,

[QUOTE=Frankenstein of css;172411]i tell you dead honestly
In Pakistan we dont value service. A teacher , a doctor or a social worker would not have the same status as he would be enjoying it in some civilized and developed country. Here people respect and give respect to those whom they fear.
A person, who has grabbed a job where he would be considered to be a powerfull entity, able to excercise his authority at his whim and caprices would be revered.
We love our villians Our folkmare also usually depicts those fellows who have a touch of negativity in him A bully (Dilla bhati And a modern molla jat) who would be maverick in the society.
Administrative jobs especially DMG , Police , IRS are seen with a kind of adulation. No doctor No engineer No petty professor could castigate his generation old enemy , a nemesis of his family like an ASP , an Ac or a tax collector. These people could make the life of any person a living hell. So Join bureaucracy This attitute unfortunately run deep in the psyche of our traditionalist and feudal society .
As far as Moslow heirarchy of need or Agyrus model Well Every seventeeth grade job according to constitution of pakistan has the same previllage , honour and status as well as nearly the same pay structure.
Can you imagine people in eighteenth or nineteenth scale could opt for a seventeen grade job
A judge a Mphill or a person doing specialization in medicine could opt for civil service in any other country if it were simply the heirarchy of need
Well there is a serious attitude problem in us. There is some thing horribly wrong with this country The way we think The way we behave The way plan our career ( monetary factor ? in what aspect :clap or is there a plenty in doing some thing fishy fishy :confused: )
Please stop revering power The country long left to the ravenousness of old beaurucratic vultures has nothing left in it. We need people who are service oriented A country standing at the cross-roads simply cannot afford another generation of csps thinking at the old lines sooooooooooo,[/QUOTE]
In Pakistan we all want to become Pilots, Engineers, Doctors or any other occupation we see or inspired from , and we also have this special kind of sweet tooth in this specific field. But when this comes to the reality people failed to get their dream careers, What they do then? People with money get what they want. People with money again get what they should not be. And rest of the people do degrees from cheap means like private,local colleges and other sources and most of them want to try their luck abroad or in CSS and other exams like this. So there is a huge difference in , 'want to become a css officer or compelled to become a csp' :-)

[QUOTE=Frankenstein of css;172411]i tell you dead honestly
In Pakistan we dont value service. A teacher , a doctor or a social worker would not have the same status as he would be enjoying it in some civilized and developed country. Here people respect and give respect to those whom they fear.
A person, who has grabbed a job where he would be considered to be a powerfull entity, able to excercise his authority at his whim and caprices would be revered.
We love our villians Our folkmare also usually depicts those fellows who have a touch of negativity in him A bully (Dilla bhati And a modern molla jat) who would be maverick in the society.
Administrative jobs especially DMG , Police , IRS are seen with a kind of adulation. No doctor No engineer No petty professor could castigate his generation old enemy , a nemesis of his family like an ASP , an Ac or a tax collector. These people could make the life of any person a living hell. So Join bureaucracy This attitute unfortunately run deep in the psyche of our traditionalist and feudal society .
As far as Moslow heirarchy of need or Agyrus model Well Every seventeeth grade job according to constitution of pakistan has the same previllage , honour and status as well as nearly the same pay structure.
Can you imagine people in eighteenth or nineteenth scale could opt for a seventeen grade job
A judge a Mphill or a person doing specialization in medicine could opt for civil service in any other country if it were simply the heirarchy of need
Well there is a serious attitude problem in us. There is some thing horribly wrong with this country The way we think The way we behave The way plan our career ( monetary factor ? in what aspect :clap or is there a plenty in doing some thing fishy fishy :confused: )
Please stop revering power The country long left to the ravenousness of old beaurucratic vultures has nothing left in it. We need people who are service oriented A country standing at the cross-roads simply cannot afford another generation of csps thinking at the old lines sooooooooooo,[/QUOTE]


I second you sir...